Thread: DILD - Dream Initiated Lucid Dream

That is great news. I am at a similar stage to yourself. I have had just a couple of DILDs through nose plugs and hand checks. I have not had a WILD yet. The thing for me is to keep going at it. I tend to loose consistency so I am looking forward to the competition and hope to keep it up after that. The beginners competition looks fairly easy and no pressure against competing with experienced lucid dreamers.

WILD is great obviously but i found DILD more magical.It was mind blowing.
No ld's since that time,but i stoped the meditation after a little later that dilds happened,i dont know why..
Couse i used to medtitate those weeks, maybe i has helped to get that ld,i dont know.
i will be back to meditate every day, from now.

Originally Posted by itsok

Im sorry guys,but i have to tell this, im currently amazed.

Originally Posted by itsok

Very important that i was not planned any lucids ,i stopped the waking rc's couple weeks ago,i didnt even think about it.

People do report that lucids come when they stop trying.

Originally Posted by itsok

When i first releazed the dream(before performing the rc), becouse of the excitement i was like...my gosh, i have to do something before i wake up, but nothing came to mind, and thats why i jumped onto the back of the stranger, he was the first i could see after the relezation.

Mhm, when you become lucid and you didn't prepare any plan or a goal, it can be "omg what will I dooooo?"
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Originally Posted by itsok

This is interesting, there was a part in the dream when i was still lucid, and i could see a huge naked/treeless scene, i have not been part of it just see it.When u watching a movie and the camera is flying over the scene, u know what i mean?

I frequently entered a LD when I was flying over a dreamscape in hypnogogic hallucination. So yes, it was most likely another dream just waiting for you to enter it.
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...into-wild.html

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Originally Posted by gab

In order to realize that, we have to teach our minds to ask a question "Am I dreaming?" when in a dream.

This is done by asking the same question during day.

I think the question, "Is this a dream?"
is FAR better than, "Am I dreaming?"

I came up with, "Is this a dream," after reading Laberge's book and seeing, "Am I dreaming?"
which just feels wrong. Because when you are dreaming, you need to realize that THIS is a dream,
you're not self-aware, you don't realize anything about your own state.
What IS different is what's going on in your environment. It is a dream.

Originally Posted by Brainbuster

I think the question, "Is this a dream?"
is FAR better than, "Am I dreaming?"

I came up with, "Is this a dream," after reading Laberge's book and seeing, "Am I dreaming?"
which just feels wrong. Because when you are dreaming, you need to realize that THIS is a dream,
you're not self-aware, you don't realize anything about your own state.
What IS different is what's going on in your environment. It is a dream.

I wonder whether this differs from person to person and from lucid dream to lucid dream. I cannot remember for sure in previous lucid dreams of mine, but in the most recent one I kind of think I was quite self-aware. Maybe the fact that it was a WILD made a difference in self-awareness level, I think WILDs lend themselves to more self awareness often. And of course being a WILD, I just knew it was a dream, did not have to ask. Hmm, I still think though that even in dreams that are not WILD one can be quite self-aware in some of them. In general the awareness levels of different lucid can vary a lot. And even non-lucid dreams: I have had some dreams where I did not actually reach the conclusion that it was a dream, but my awareness and self awareness level was fairly high for a non-lucid, I think.

Originally Posted by Brainbuster

I think the question, "Is this a dream?"
is FAR better than, "Am I dreaming?"

I came up with, "Is this a dream," after reading Laberge's book and seeing, "Am I dreaming?"
which just feels wrong. Because when you are dreaming, you need to realize that THIS is a dream,
you're not self-aware, you don't realize anything about your own state.
What IS different is what's going on in your environment. It is a dream.

I'm not sure I understand. Both questions seem more or less equivalent to me. If anything, “Am I dreaming?” might be the better one, because it more directly suggests that dreaming is something you are doing, something that is a part of you and that you have control over, which is essential to understand in order to achieve full lucidity. “Is this a dream?”, by comparison, sort of sounds like it is distancing the dreamer from the dream, treating the dream as if it were some separate, independent entity. But maybe I'm reading too much into the wording.

If you are at the point where are asking yourself if you are dreaming in a dream (and it isn't merely a nonlucid dream about asking yourself if you are dreaming), then you have pretty much already begun shifting into self awareness and lucidity. In that case, I don't think the exact phrasing is so important as long as you understand what it really means.

RCs and DILD are really the same thing.

Originally Posted by Dreaamer

RCs and DILD are really the same thing.

Wut? No.

I've had several brief DILD's so far, and am working towards my first WILD. One thing that has seemed to be helpful to me is really simple. I generally leave some extra room after each dream journal entry to add notes later, if I want to. I hand write them each time I wake from a dream using a pen that has a little led on the tip. I always keep my dream journal handy, and throughout the day I'll re-read a few dreams, try to really remember them, even old ones, then spend a few minutes filling up some of the space left for notes with an affirmation such as "I am a lucid dreamer. I often become aware that I am dreaming." Sometimes I will leave a blank page and make a point of filling that page before bed.

I also have a little purple leather bag I made with a few small things I associate with dreaming in it, like some mugwort, a crystal, a silver coin and some yarrow (an herb I have a long relationship with). When I really want to amp up my efforts, I will write "lucid dream tonight" and sign it and date it, like a contract. Then I wad it up small and put it in the bag. So far, it hasn't failed to result in a spontaneous DILD. I remove the note after the dream. I try not to do this too often, so as not to establish a record of failure.

I still do reality checks and all the rest, but the successful DILD's seem to have come from the dream itself. What I mean is that the dream will present me with one or more things so outlandish that I can't help but notice I am dreaming. Often, I'll miss or ignore some obvious clues that I am dreaming, only to have ever more blatant ones show up. Some examples: celebrities, even dead ones, taunting me; hoards of demons and I am the only one who can exorcise them; I notice that I can fly; poorly spelled notes being passed to me; dream characters telling me that I am dreaming. Last night I even ran into (literally) a perfect doppelgänger of myself. When I grabbed his shoulders he smiled and I Knew that I was dreaming.

I think what is happening is that I am embedding an intention in my subconscious effectively enough that even without doing reality checks in my dream, the dream itself makes itself known as a dream.

Edit: a little more research has shown me that what I'm talking about here is called MILD (mnemonic or mantra induced lucid dreaming). As an adjunct to DILD it seems to be working for me. One interesting LD I had seemed to combine RC's as a habit and Mnemonics; I was dreaming (non-lucid) that some dream expert was telling me about an important discovery he'd made. I don't remember the details, but was blown away by his findings. He said, and simultaneously wrote down, "Spock's hero." Then he handed me the paper he wrote that on; it said "Hock's spero," and I became aware that I was dreaming because reading and then re-reading text is one of my reality checks.

Anyway, sorry to clutter up a thread with some stuff that might belong elsewhere, but the overlap of the techniques might help someone improve the odds of a LD.

I usually realize I'm in a dream if something scary is happening, something that normally would be unlikely or impossible. Had 1 two weeks ago, can't get another. Any tips?

A problem I have is I usually wake up a few minutes after becoming lucid

Originally Posted by gab

Please discuss this Dreamviews recommended DILD tutorial here in this thread. Please do not start new threads.

Hi,
I want to ask about mantras, which way is more right and which is more wrong?
I)Before bed
a)I want to have lucid dream tonight.
b)I will have a lucid dream tonight.
c)other?
II)After WBTB
a)Now I will have a lucid dream.
b)I want a lucid dream now.
c)I will have a lucid dream.
d)Now I will have a lucid dream.
e)other?

I think the answer for the before bed section might be "c) Other."

Though saying "will" is probably better than "want to," there might still be a problem with tense. It is much better to say your mantra in the present rather than future tense. This may sound odd, because you start your mantra before you're asleep, but it really isn't: A mantra is something you take with you into sleep, so if you are repeating a future-tense mantra, like "I will have a lucid dream tonight," you might wind up bringing that future tense into your dream, and your dreaming mind will comply by putting lucidity into the future, always just a bit out of reach (i.e., you might just have a NLD about being lucid later, that lucidity is coming).

Your choices for after WBTB are better, and can certainly be used at bedtime as well. I think the best choice here is a).

Can I offer one other option? The phrase "lucid dream" is a bit abstract. Instead of saying that, maybe you could say something like "I am dreaming," "This is a dream," or perhaps "I know I am dreaming." This way you (and your dreaming mind) don't have to sort out the concept of lucidity when dreamtime comes, so you might more easily come to know you are dreaming.

Originally Posted by Sageous

A mantra is something you take with you into sleep, so if you are repeating a future-tense mantra, like "I will have a lucid dream tonight," you might wind up bringing that future tense into your dream, and your dreaming mind will comply by putting lucidity into the future, always just a bit out of reach.

The mantra is for me or for the dreaming mind aka the subconscious? Like:
-Make me lucid tonight! or This night I want a lucid dream! for the dreaming mind
or
-Tonight I will become lucid! for me

Can I offer one other option? The phrase "lucid dream" is a bit abstract. Instead of saying that, maybe you could say something like "I am dreaming," "This is a dream," or perhaps "I know I am dreaming." This way you (and your dreaming mind) don't have to sort out the concept of lucidity when dreamtime comes, so you might more easily come to know you are dreaming.

Even if this "this is a dream" come with me inside the dream, what this is gonna do, is it just gonna make my dream more vivid or what?

Do I need to stick with one mantra or I can change them every day?

Originally Posted by StarSeeker

The mantra is for me or for the dreaming mind aka the subconscious?

The mantra is for all of You, StarSeeker, since your unconscious (aka, dreaming mind, as you guessed) is very much a part of you, and not something else. Your mantra should help your waking self by giving you something simple and meaningful to focus on while you are falling asleep, and might just help your dreaming mind because all that focus might make the subject of your mantra a source for the content of your dreams. But, if you can remember that your dreaming mind and your waking self are both you, and not separate entities, lucidity might come much more easily.

Even if this "this is a dream" come with me inside the dream, what this is gonna do, is it just gonna make my dream more vivid or what?

It may do nothing at all, but what it might do is supply a bit of content that reminds you that you are dreaming. For instance, if your mantra is, say, "I'm flying!" (mixed hopefully with a carefully set intention that you wish to have a dream about flying, and, importantly, that you will know you are dreaming when you fly), the carefully repeated mantra might install the idea of flight into the content of your dream; and if that happens, and your intention was well set, and you've developed a strong lucid mindset with your daywork, then you might just notice that flying is what you wanted to do lucidly, and realize you are dreaming.

Do I need to stick with one mantra or I can change them every day?

That's up to you. I personally tend to use a default mantra, "Here and Now," most of the time, but if I have some specific dream goal I might use a special mantra to thoroughly set that goal in my mind (i.e., "I'm flying!").

So if I use specific intention and fitting mantra for it, will this be like a dream incubation?
Do I need to fully visualize the intention or just use more easier imagination?

^^ Yes, it could be used for dream incubation.

I don't remember right now, but I'm pretty sure that setting intentions, using mantras, and adding visualization is a technique for dream incubation. However, you're only trying to have a DILD here, so you really don't need to do any visualizing (unless you want to). And no, you don't need to visualize your intention, anyway; intention is nothing more than what the word says: you are making clear to yourself that, say, you will remember to remember, or you will be flying. In other words, visualization is separate technique from setting intention; both are good, but they do different things.