Competition Sign Up Thread #18

[ThreeCat]

Transforming into a frockin pegasus-unicorn tonight and sensing emotions while galloping into space. My teammates will ride on my back, and will rain holy hell on some enemy DCs. Got this shit. Correction: in a few nights

[Nfri]

If you have one lucid remembered then it's 5 points or 5 points + 1 points for remembered dream? and why are those points left out in the tier 3? *WBTB fail (no lucid after WBTB) - 1 point *WBTB success (lucid after WBTB) - 3 points *Do a successful Reality Check - 1 point *Unsuccessfully stabilize the dream - 1 point *Successfully stabilize the dream - 2 points *Interact with a Dream Character - 2 points For example wbtb is really essential and difficult even for experienced oneironaut. I don't see the point of skipping these points at all, au contraire, these activities are crucial and should be appropriately valued.

[Sensei]

Nfri 5 points total. Because I believe that tier 3 being who they are supposed to be, already have their.technique down, so if that involves or doesn't involve WBTB I don't want to favor one. Also some of them never stabilize or RC in a traditional sense. I (for instance) check the stabilty of the dream and raise it only if needed. So at this point it becomes personal preferance to RC or stabilize. Also, if it is too unstable, lots might just say "screw it" and DEILD. Interact with DC, most people in tier 3 have had their LDs "even out" a bit. Some people for instance never ever see DCs in lucids (note summoning DC still counts as points if they want a DC). Others have evened out the oposite wayand always see DCs. Interacting with certain DCs will even get them lucid. Hope this makes sense. Everyone! Don't forget Personal task Put an item in the SAO menu and take it out in a different dream. 3 step task Gravity Teleport Element manipulation

[Bharmo]

^^ Ooo, right, that should probably be Sunday the 10th for the end date so it can be two weeks. Awesome awesome, I particularly like the Awards/fancy titles, I know which one I'm going for Thank you, Sensei, for putting so much thought into this and for running it and for all the cool new things! The awards are indeed an excellent idea for extra motivation, some times you see you won't win the comp, but now who says you cannot get at least one of the awards?

[dolphin]

I just imagined some would make the personal goal easy for themselves to get easy points. But, since they can only complete one personal goal for points that doesn't really matter. Anyway, my 3 step tasks are: Fully move through big solid object Teleport Full Transformation Personal task: Fully transform into another animal

[Sensei]

I just imagined some would make the personal goal easy for themselves to get easy points. But, since they can only complete one personal goal for points that doesn't really matter. Anyway, my 3 step tasks are: Fully move through big solid object Teleport Full Transformation Personal task: Fully transform into another animal Depending on what it is, and who it is. The only rule with personal goal is that it has to be something that you haven't done before. It should work for all levels since someone just beginning could put "eat something" as a personal, but someone like me and you will have to find something we haven't done.

[Nightfeather]

My 3 step task: Push Hand through solid object Fully move through big solid object Partial Transformation Personal Task: At least partially transform into a feline I guess a full transformation gives only 10 points and not an extra 4 points for partial transformation. But it would count for my 3 step task, right?

[fogelbise]

You put a lot of work and thought into this and it is much appreciated Sensei!! I will think about my 3 steps and personal and post them before the start date. I appreciate having this platform to further improve my skills, learn new things and the fun we have reading each others achievements. One comment, and it is not a big issue, is that the scoring does seem to promote DEILDing over any other method (slightly more than previous competitions). A participant may not have as much of an incentive (related to points/competition) to stay in what may be a wonderful lucid dream if you have already achieved 20 points (and either already did the bonus tasks previously or can't remember the bonus tasks). I am not sure what the solution is without raising the maximum points above 20, and again, I will go along with the way it is either way and be happy of course! I am excited about the new elements to the competition as well! By the way, which one is this?/what is SAO? - "Put an item in the SAO menu and take it out in a different dream. "

[AnotherDreamer]

3 step task: time control elemental manipulation change gravity personal task: completely eat an entire person Are DEILD-chain dream points limited to 20 now instead of 10?

[FryingMan]

I think the promotion of DEILD is fine, since the ability to produce a DEILD chain seems to me to be the pinnacle of LDing. It can be sort of hard though to determine just what is a DEILD: were you really awake or was it a FA? Did you maintain consciousness all the way into the dream or did you just DILD? But I don't worry about these little details: if I can finish a dream (lucid or non-lucid) and consistently enter a string of LDs afterwards, I'd be ecstatic.

[FryingMan]

My 3-step (I guess we're putting them here instead of the official thread?): 1) interact with a DC 2) basic summon 3) fly Personal task: teleport without landing in the void. I think it's fine for tier 3 to not have points for really basic things, that's the tier to really push one's boundaries.

[Sensei]

I think the promotion of DEILD is fine, since the ability to produce a DEILD chain seems to me to be the pinnacle of LDing. It can be sort of hard though to determine just what is a DEILD: were you really awake or was it a FA? Did you maintain consciousness all the way into the dream or did you just DILD? But I don't worry about these little details: if I can finish a dream (lucid or non-lucid) and consistently enter a string of LDs afterwards, I'd be ecstatic. Yes, and what if I have a lucid dream that I accomplish nothing in, and then chain a DEILD that I hit do a bunch? That would be so frustrating! It isn't bringing DEILD up to par, as much as it is making the dream control equal no matter what LD you are in.

[CanisLucidus]

One comment, and it is not a big issue, is that the scoring does seem to promote DEILDing over any other method Yeah, am I reading it right that a 5-link DEILD chain gets you the same points as 5 separate DILDs? I think the promotion of DEILD is fine, since the ability to produce a DEILD chain seems to me to be the pinnacle of LDing. It can be sort of hard though to determine just what is a DEILD: were you really awake or was it a FA? Did you maintain consciousness all the way into the dream or did you just DILD? But I don't worry about these little details: if I can finish a dream (lucid or non-lucid) and consistently enter a string of LDs afterwards, I'd be ecstatic. You know, I've actually found it to be the opposite. If I'm having to DEILD from one LD to the next, it's usually because I didn't get great stability out of the dream. That's why I personally count a lucid chain as a single LD rather than a bunch of separate LDs. IMO, it's really just one lucid that was unfortunately chopped up into pieces but then saved by DEILDing. If I can, I strongly prefer to have one long LD or just move through the void without leaving the dream at all.

[FryingMan]

Well when you put it like that I agree. Sure, I'd rather have 90-minute solid vivid fully-aware epic LDs all night long every night, but I'll take DEILDs any day instead of just waking up.

[Sensei]

Hmmm... My deilds are rarely like that anymore. They are long anf powerful. Haha

[~Dreamer~]

Yeah, am I reading it right that a 5-link DEILD chain gets you the same points as 5 separate DILDs? You know, I've actually found it to be the opposite. If I'm having to DEILD from one LD to the next, it's usually because I didn't get great stability out of the dream. That's why I personally count a lucid chain as a single LD rather than a bunch of separate LDs. IMO, it's really just one lucid that was unfortunately chopped up into pieces but then saved by DEILDing. If I can, I strongly prefer to have one long LD or just move through the void without leaving the dream at all. I am totally with Canis on this one. I can stay in LDs for a long time and get a lot done, and generally I will not attempt a DEILD if I've had a successful LD because I'd rather write in my DJ about all the amazing things I just did. Sometimes when I DEILD, I forget parts of the previous dream(s) because they are taken over by new dream memories. I think I will really struggle to keep up with the DEILDers with this point system, even if my LDs are extremely stable with strong dream control. Can we meet halfway? I'll try to think of an alternative solution. I'm mostly happy with the points though, and I'll have a think about my 3-step and personal goal. Thanks for putting this together, Sensei!

[Sensei]

I definitely see where yall are coming from. I have had many DEILD chains that were only DEILD because of the instability. I wouldn't want to give points to instability over experience. Yall wanna talk about this elsewhere and see if we can come up with something.

[~Dreamer~]

I definitely see where yall are coming from. I have had many DEILD chains that were only DEILD because of the instability. I wouldn't want to give points to instability over experience. Yall wanna talk about this elsewhere and see if we can come up with something. Yeah, I use DEILD almost exclusively to make up for previous instability. Maybe we could do a group Skype chat when CL is free later. Thanks for including the Lucid Dares, btw, that's awesome! I'm really excited about all the tasks, this is going to be a lot of fun!

[StephL]

I agree about the DEILD thing - it would motivate to DEILD away like the devil on the cost of quality - even while I don't think, many would do it such. And I'd also like to know what you mean by SAO menu? Another thing - will you open a separate thread with the stuff all in the first post for easy lookings ups? Lots of thoughts and effort went into this, obviously - thank you again - lets kick it off!

[FryingMan]

DEILDing is a part of the big picture of LDing, I don't think it should be removed entirely. It is a successful "get lucid" event and as such it should carry points. Turning it around, let's say someone is skilled at DEILDing and less skilled at long, stable dreams, why shouldn't one be able to gather points the way that they're good at? I think it's pretty clear that stability, goal memory, and control will win out even over DEILDs the way they are. You'd have to get 4 DEILDs in a chain with no control to match a single maxed out from control LD. Don't think this is really an issue? I'm not an interested party since I've never really DEILDed and certainly never chained.

[Xanous]

So is there an official rules post? Start date? Sorry I don't have time to dig past all the other nonsense posted here.

[FryingMan]

So is there an official rules post? Start date? Sorry I don't have time to dig past all the other nonsense posted here. Typical whining you'd expect from a McCoy (note the tongue in cheek and some friendly cross-team ribbing). Post #72.

[~Dreamer~]

So is there an official rules post? Start date? Sorry I don't have time to dig past all the other nonsense posted here. http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2114350 Soon to be updated though, we're discussing now. Maybe best to check back later, I'll leave you a message when it's ready. Edit: Oh, speedy work, FryingMan! haha

[ThreeCat]

Just feel I need to say this -- while DEILDing Is generally not that difficult -- especially coming out of a prematurely-ended LD -- there is always a chance that the dreamer will lose lucidity if they DEILD into a false awakening. There should be something given for successfully DEILDing, but I am fairly certain I could jiggle my WL body a bit to wake up, and then have a silly long DeILD chain. I would not really want to do that, as it feels a bit cheap, but it's the possibility. Also, I will update my personal task chain very soon. Just need to ponder a bit . . .

[StephL]

I didn't think this through, Fryingman - too lazy - some sort of a middle way would be good - maybe it's good already - I'll have to study the whole thing more in depth... And Xanous - I guess there will be a new thread for the comp with the rules and teams and whatnot in the first post - here you go for what he pre-posted: Attention! Your Head Asplode! The competition will be starting Sunday the 27th @ 8 PM YOUR time. So if you are wondering “When is that?!?”, then it is Sunday… the 27th… at 8 PM… Wherever you are. the competition will end the Sunday the 10th, at 8 PM (Sunday naps!). Welcome to the new and revised competition!!! Have some fun! Be competitive! There are a lot of new ways to gain points, so make sure to read the points carefully not to miss out. Rules are subject to change before the competition starts. If you have any questions, please ask now so that I can find out any big errors that I made while making this. If you have legitimate problems with teams, then PM me and we'll see if we can work it out. I did not pick them at random, I picked them in ways that make sense to me. haha. Rules for conduct: Don’t lie Don’t accuse anyone of lying Lucid Dreams must be posted in the dream journal on DV with link posted here to count (If you don’t want to post it because of sensitive matters or anything like that, than you can PM it to me) Dreams must be lucid for a Dream Control, DV extra tasks, challenge tasks, or three step tasks to count. Points There are a lot of new ways for points, so read this! Remembering and Trying This has changed, there is no points for WILD, DEILD, or SCPJILD. If you have a lucid, it is 5 points. If you have more than 5 DEILDs in a night, you no longer get the points for “remembering a lucid dream”, but you still get points for dream control and whatever else you do in the dream. remember a fragment - 0.5 points Remember a full dream - 1 point Remember a lucid dream - 5 points *WBTB fail (no lucid after WBTB) - 1 point *WBTB success (lucid after WBTB) - 3 points Dream Control For ever Lucid dream that you have, there is a 20 point limit for dream control tasks. It doesn’t matter if it is your umpteenth LD or the night or even your thousandth DEILD, then you can still get 20 points in the dream. Basic Tasks *Do a successful Reality Check - 1 point *Unsuccessfully stabilize the dream - 1 point *Successfully stabilize the dream - 2 points *Interact with a Dream Character - 2 points Flying - 4 points Telekinesis - 4 points Super Strength - 4 points Super Speed - 4 points Basic Summoning - 4 points (Summoning from the pocket / Make someone appear from around the corner / behind) Gain Invulnerability - 4 points Eat Something - 4 points Object/DC changing - 4 points (Fully change object or DC into different object/DC) Push your hand through an solid object - 4 points (Note: 'Pushing finger through hand' reality check does not counts) Partial Transformation - 4 points Get on an Electronic Device - 4 points (Doesn’t have to work, just try) Advanced Tasks Change Gravity - 6 points (doesn’t have to be for everything, at least one object) Teleport - 7 points Element Manipulation - 8 points Fully move through big solid object - 8 points (Like the wall for example, keep the eyes open) Advanced Flying - 10 points (Flying at high speed / into space) Advanced Summoning - 10 points (Make something/someone appear right in your direct view / summon something extraordinary) Advanced Object/DC changing - 10 points (Change enormous object/DC into different objects/DCs or many objects/DCs at same time) Mass Telekinesis - 10 points (Use telekinesis on ten objects at the same time or one enormous object) Time Control - 10 points (Speeding up/slowing down/stopping time intentionally, teleportation into different time doesn't counts for this(but counts for Teleport task)) Full Transformation - 10 points Dreamviews Extra Tasks TOTM http://www.dreamviews.com/tasks-mont...-2014-a-6.html *Task of the Month for meeting a DV member can only count for one at a time. http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-chal...cid-dares.html TOTY http://www.dreamviews.com/tasks-mont...ml#post2072623 Personal Goal Make and post a personal goal and complete it.. Based on completion amount (does not need to be in order) The status for each will either be “complete” or “incomplete”, so there is no reason to complete any twice. If you complete 1 - 5 points If you complete 2 - 10 points If you complete 3 - 20 points If you complete 4 - 50 points You can complete more than one DV Extra task per dream. Challenge Tasks These are going to be the Challenge tasks for the first week, I will announce the second set of tasks on day 7 of the competition, in order to give us enough time to do it on night 8. Tier 1 Read a DCs mind - 10 points Tier 2 Feel a DCs emotions - 20 points Tier 3 Fully possess a DC, mind and body, without possessing your body and mind. Note: unless the DC knows that he is dreaming, you should lose lucidity, so you should tell the DC that they are dreaming if you want to keep lucidity - 30 points Three-Step tasks You choose three different kinds of dream control tasks from the list above except for stabilization and reality check ones. When you achieve the first task, you get 5 points in addition to the points from the task. When you achieve the second task you get 10 additional points, but only if the first task is already done. And when you achieve the third one you get 15 additional points only if second task is done. Note: You don't have to do all of them in single dream, they can be done in different dreams. Tier 1 You can pick any of the dream control tasks. Tier 2 Your last task must be an advanced task Tier 3 All of your tasks have to be advanced The Fourth Step This is a continuation of the 3 step task. It is different though, it is worth 50 points, It is after the three step tasks, you have to do all three tasks in one LD, however it can be done in any order. Dream Journal In order for you to get points for an LD, you need to put it in the DJ on the site and post the link here. Dream Journal Comments Spoiler for Sample: Sample Dream Let’s say that my three step task is: Teleporting Advanced Flying Time control My dream: NyxCC I try to make it out of the house, but my dream body isn't working very well. I lay down and teleport out of the house. I see a lot of cars wrecked in the road. I notice that it is probably my fault, since I am standing right in the middle of the road. I realize that there is no one in any of the cars. Touché dream. I slow down... I try to think of a creative way to find her. I see a body in the wreckage and walk to it and see that it is just legs, not what you normally think of when you think "legs in wreckage", but more like a pair of legs that were made to be that way. On to option number 2, I turn to the sky and don't see what I am looking for, but there are plenty of clouds to conceal it. I decide to just head there. I send out a message to NyxCC on my phone to where I am going (I just touch the phone to send it). I think of where I am wanting to go and direct the wind that way. I start floating over there and realize that I need to fly faster and higher. I walk up a few steps and it sends me from about 5 mph (8 kilo/hour) to about 100 (160 kilo/hour) and about 100 meters up. I notice that I am not alone and I turn around to see NyxCC behind me flying along. She is flying like a DBZ character and looks back to her normal self (normal from what I have seen of her in dreams). "Try and keep up!" I yell and speed up to double my speed. She flies above me and I turn around and fly upside down. She pushes me down and I start falling. I can see the water coming at me, smell the ocean. I keep going at that speed and pull myself up at the last second before I hit the water. I can feel the water splashing on my back and I lift my head up to the sky. NyxCC is a few inches away from me and smiling. She shoves me down again, but this time I fall into the water. I go down a bit and then float back up. NyxCC is laughing and I start laughing too. I imagine a small island behind me and start swimming towards it. It is a small floating child's playground. I climb on shore and step up to the playground. I try to imagine a ladder to the place I want to go in the sky, but can't seem to find one. I find a small place under a slide and try to imagine that it is a teleportation device. I make some buttons on the bottom of the slide and hit them. Nothing happens. I decide to just apparate and get there. I can see the place in my mind. I grab NyxCC's hand and turn, nothing happens. I imagine it in my head more and more and am in a limbo between both places. NyxCC's hand makes it more real back on the play-island. I try to do this about six times and it wakes me up on the sixth time. Dream Journal Points Another new way to score points Dream Journal points For every 5 Lucid Dream Journal posts - 2 point If you post in 5 different lucid dream journal entries, you will be awarded with 2 points. If you post 10, it is will be 4 points, 15, 6 points. Points for dream Lucid dream: 5 points You don’t get the 1 point for a dream when it is lucid, you get 5 for the lucid Teleport: 7 points Advanced Flying: 10 points finding a DV member in a dream is a TOTM, so I get 1 part done. Teleporting and then Advanced flying were the first parts of my three step task, so I get 2 of them done. Meet a Tea First DV Task (TOTM): 5 points 1st 3 step task (Teleporting): 5 points 2nd 3 step task (Advanced Flying): 10 points Total for dream and night: 41 points It seems like a lot more points than previous competitions, and I think that the extra points will work well with the Tiers. The task points should be balanced well among tiers. It doesn’t make much sense for people that get 300+ points to only be able to get 45 possible bonus points. If you want to be able to be eligible for all points, you need 4 things: Personal Task Create an in dream task that you have not done before (This could be something like “teleport” if you haven’t done it before and put teleport as part of your 3 step task) Three step task Put down your three step tasks in order Look at TOTM, TOTY, and lucid dares. Teams! Tier 3 The points marked with a “*” are not achievable by Tier 3. Sith Sensei Dolphin fogelbise LolaTheLoner Jedi anotherdreamer Dreamer Canislucidus Nfri Tier 2 Hatfields PostScript99 LouaiB vagaltone Fryingman McCoys Xanous OneUpBoy71 Ctharlie ThreeCat StephL Tier 1 Snakes SammyTheSnake lucidmats dreambh greendrive DragonMaster21 antoia SPD Mongeese Covlad96 MrPriority Pickman sprada Chessica NightFeather JoannaB Team Tasks Meet a teammate - 10 points for the first time, 5 after (5 points per extra teammate after the first, for instance, if I meet Dolphin, Fogelbise, and lola, I get 10 + 5 + 5 = 20 points. If I find all three of them in a different dream, then I would get 5 + 5 + 5 = 15) Show your teammate a previous dream - 10 points (only achievable once) Have a teammate take you somewhere that they say they have been in a previous dream - 10 points (only achievable once) Have a teammate teach you something - 10 points (only achievable once) Enemy Tasks Meet an enemy - 5 points first time, 3 after (3 points per extra teammate after the first, for instance, if I meet anotherdreamer, dreamer, and canis, I get 5 + 3 + 3 = 11 points. If I find all three of them in a different dream, then I would get 3 + 3 + 3 = 9) Fight an enemy - 10 points (only achievable once) Fight an enemy (or enemies) with an ally (or allies) - 20 points (only achievable once) Awards! Fancy Titles! Limit 1/person These might seem strange since no points are in them, but they are similar to wings in the task of the month. You will get the title (haven’t decided exactly how to “give it”), but I have a couple weeks to find out and I will bestow it to you and you shall have it until the next competition comes around. Each one has a "secret title" That I think that the recipients will like. I will probably add more later, but this is what I have for now. Tier 1 Most WBTB Most RCs Most fragments Most dreams Most dreams Flying Tier 2 and 3 Most dreams teleporting Most dreams escaping the void Most wilds Most Sex dreams Longest DEILD chain Most caught FAs Most LDs It seems like a lot more points than previous competitions, and I think that the extra points will work well with the Tiers. The task points should be balanced well among tiers. It doesn’t make much sense for people that get 300+ points to only be able to get 45 possible bonus points. It is not formatted right now, but it will be in the competition thread itself. I will send you an e-mail prior to the start as a reminder. There are a lot of tasks and things to do, but I would recommend that you BE CREATIVE! Find a task that you can get a lot of points on and focus on that until accomplished. Maybe a way to get a TOTM, TOTY, and 3 step task by doing the exact same thing. Creativity is certainly rewarded in these competitions. I don't expect everyone to get done ALL OF THE TASKS EVER! Don't overwhelm yourself, pick one and run with it. If you want to be able to be eligible for all points, you need 4 things: Personal Task Create an in dream task that you have not done before (This could be something like “teleport” if you haven’t done it before and put teleport as part of your 3 step task) Three step task Put down your three step tasks in order Look at TOTM, TOTY, and lucid dares.