I believe that the DEILD limit only hits when chaining DEILDs, not when chaining a WILD and a DEILDQuote:
Originally Posted by StephL
So WILD (20 point limit) - DEILD (20 point limit) - DEILD (10 point limit)
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I believe that the DEILD limit only hits when chaining DEILDs, not when chaining a WILD and a DEILDQuote:
Originally Posted by StephL
So WILD (20 point limit) - DEILD (20 point limit) - DEILD (10 point limit)
Ah - thank you - that makes sense Brandon - and a WILD has naturally 8 points of the limit already used up then?
Wbtb isnt part of the dream, so I think 8. Not 100% sure. Dont think that you have used up! You already have 8. Lol.
I thought the point limit only applied to the in-dream control points. So you start at 0, not 8, when you get a WILD due to WBTB. Just like if you get lucid in a DILD, you don't start at 5, you start at 0 for limit points.
Also the DEILD point limit language is ambiguous. It is not clear if the "chain" includes the first DEILD or not. It could be that the first DEILD is "chained" on to the previous LD. I think the intent is that you don't get the "get lucid" points when entering a DEILD from a previous lucid dream, including the first DEILD, but I'm not Scionox so....let's see what he says.
According to the rules, only a WBTB does not count towards the point limit because it is marked with a *. So if you WILD and become lucid you have already 8 out of 20 points. I think the rules have to be changed. I think WBTB, WILD, DEILD and becoming lucid all have to be marked with a * because it is not really an in-dream task.
This should have been discussed waaaay earlier, a few competitions back, or even at the start of this competition. To be honest, I wanted to point it out but I didn't feel like starting a discussion if it wouldn't affect me, since I have never used the WILD and DEILD techniques.
Got a ton of recall last 3 nights:
1st:
6 dreams: 6 points
1 fragment: 0.5 points
WBTB: 1 point
1. I was in a void where BMO(do you watch adventure time?) Had a marriage, then PB came, and we with Finn time traveled, but PB was received that the time travel flower was OK, but Finn then broke it, so we got banned to somewhere, and this somewhere was dazzling!
2.I was stealing diamonds. The Robert was pretty much running and shooting.
3.GTA 5: I was Trevor playing a mission. Now I have to escape. I started shooting, but then downstairs got killed.
4.Also GTA 5: This Time I was Michele, and escaping from his house with his family. I held a Uzi and started shooting, then succeeded with the escape.
5.I was bringing a song to a rich guy party, but in the party, he forgot to fix a word from it, then he said a speech about him not being so rich, then a scene where he and his family got kicked out and now live in a poor house, and he is getting scolded.
6.I was in school, and the dream was me going down the stairs and in the front yard and greeting everyone I see. I greeted like ten ppl.
Fragment: My tablet had "made in Japan".
2nd:
3 dreams: 3 points
WBTB: 1 point
1.I was invading a private property. I stayed like 2 minutes just trying to climb that gate.
2.I was driving, and random drivers would stop and talk to me.
3. I was also driving my dad's car, which is manual, and I stayed a while trying to remember how to drive it, and trying and failing.
3rd:
3 dreams: 3 points
1 fragment: 0.5 points
WBTB: 1 point
1.I was watching my dad give my brother a long scold about his school grades. The usual about losing his future and stuff.
2.Same as before, but this time with my mom.
3.I was standing with my friends at school, listening to their conversation about random stuff. I can't remember exactly what the subjects where about.
Fragment:My savings got stolen (MY REM DREAMER SAVINGS T^T !!)
So, these 3 nights got me 16 points
Total: 18 points
Heres the weird LD FA chain I had last night, can't recall all of it. I'll keep it short since I already wrote it down on my handwritten DJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikasan527
I realize the situation in my dark bedroom. I go to the door and put my hand on it : " Behind this door there will be field, beautiful one like in the pictures." After a while I open it to my dark living room, boo! I shut the door and get down to floor level, I start rubbing my hands to the floor and soon grass starts rising from it, I can feel it. Out of literally nowhere an old-looking person opens the door from inside my bedroom into a shiny grassfield, but soon do I realize its only once again in my living room, the grass field I mean :) wat. It's daytime now. The man wears a blue shirt-kinda clothing and a... a pillow :biggrin: on his head, he is rougly about 70yrs old with white hair. We go to the kitchen together to stand by the window. I ask shyly :" What's your name?" He responds : "Martus (I expected him to say Markus, its a common name here in Finland)" I respond: "Hi, I'm Mika". I can't recall rest of the convo, but he turned to 30-yrs old later. Later on I can remember someone calling my eyes small :(. I'm in my bedroom in the dark again (FA). I get up just to be hugged annoyingly by my little brother that who I can even barely see, but its him. I push him to the corner of the wall with TK and squish him into a small blob or dot. I keep having the FAs for quite a while and Its getting kinda creepy(canät recall what happened in most of them, like 5-8 happened). I jump out of the window (third floor flat) and my body falls softly to the ground, I mean I was super scared to do it, I thought I was doing the same thing in waking life, mmmmmm! Idiot. FA again, okay this is creeping me out a little, I end up being on a bridge near my house and I just think that I'm trapped in here then lol... I lean to the railing and stare to the blunt sight. I wake up again, I have written all my notes from the FAs , uh, not again. Then the rest is flashes of Cobb (me?) saying stuff like :" Bring back mind, bring back idea( this was really inspiring when I finally woke up )"
As I woke up I opened my eyes kinda like Cobb did in Inception ,I just lied(not sure if correct word) there staring to my room like "Am I... Am I out? (lmao :biggrin:, I found this so funny at the moment I began laughing as I still rolled my eyes around looking for hints that I would still be dreaming.)
http://oi62.tinypic.com/33cupeo.jpg
^Martus I drew :shakehead2::biggrin:
Night 6 - Keeping hitting singles, looking for some home runs, doubles or triples
3 fragments, 1 dream, successful wbtb: 5.5pts
DILD: become lucid, fully move/phase through solid object, fly, successful RC (on 2nd try) : 19pts
80.5 + 24.5pts tonight = 105pts
Spoiler for DILD:
The very top of the rules say this:
That is quite clear: only DOING TASKS IN A SINGLE DREAM are limited to 20 points. *TASKS* marked with a * are not counted. WBTB is not a "dream task," and neither is "getting lucid." "Flying" is a dream task, etc.Quote:
Remember that you can get maximum 20 points from doing tasks in single dream. Tasks marked with an * are not counted towards this limit.
Hehe - no - it was a general question - I had it in the last comp already - and there was something more - maybe I find that again.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
As you can see - there is a bit of incertitude..
Quote:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
The thing is - WBTB which goes with this '*' is together with the other initiation/induction methods, and there is no other meaning for that '*' than to not count towards the limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
Since WBTB is even farther out from the actual dream than getting lucid or doing it per WILD or DEILD - it not being counted for the dream-limit would make sense, if getting lucid etc. does get subtracted from the 20.
But then the below contradicts this:
It is also a good question, if the first DEILD has only 10 points limit already, or is it only then chaining and lower limit, if it is a DEILD into a previous DEILD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scionox
Personally - I would prefer to begin a dream with 0 and have 20 points up for grabs with dream control - and to have the first DEILD with 20 points.
Could you enlighten us please, Scionox? :)
Forgot to post today :panic:
Wbtb attempt + one fragment
22,5 + 1,5pts =24 pts
What do you mean by the first DEILD? For example you have a DILD first, you exit it and chain it to another one. It's true that both dreams are part of the same chain, but the first was was not 'Exit Induced', right? So the second one has a 10 point limit but the first has a 20 point limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL
I guess, it is so - and I would prefer it, too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginsan
Night 6:
2 dreams, that's it ...
Competition total: 14,5 points
Found it!
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2046823
I posted this and Scionox corrected me and said:Quote:
(it is first in the chain, but after an LD, so it is still chain?)
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2046852
Quote:
@BrandonBoss
Whoa that was alot, congrats! Also first DEILD in chain don't has 10 point limit, only any subsequent have it.
Last night : 2x dreams =2p, WBTB success= 3p LD = 5P flying = 4p basic summon ("creating" and ufo that actually flies? Explanation later)= 4p again DC changing = 4p and bunch of other stuff like TK but that happened semilucid, I mean I was aware it was a dream but wasn't quite IN the situation. NIGHT= 22p
Dream later, quoting
Total = 64p
EDIT: OH! It was then advanced summoning after all if I made it appear in front of my view so , so, uh how does the points count :?? -4 points = 18 points + 10 points = 28 points but dream max is 20 so, 20 then??? that would be 66 total
00:00 Thursday 2014-03-13 competition #17 night #7
strange night, fitful sleep,no early night recall.
2 of the 3 had huge "flashing signposts" dreamsigns, dreamsigns everywhere. Nope, everything's fine here, move along...
3 dreams - 3
1 WBTB attempt - 1
night total: 4
competition total: 62 + 4 = 66
Last night, 2 fragments = 1 point.
I think that puts me up to 9 points in total.
One dream (1 point)
Fragment: "Yellow Guy" does amazing graphics - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Previous 9 + tonight 1 = total 10
My three step tasks:
1. Flying
2. Transformation (Basic/Advanced)
3. Telekinesis
2 Full dreams: 2 Points
4 Fragments: 2 Points
TOTAL: 4 POINTS
GRAND TOTAL: 32.5 POINTS
DJ Entry: Bang bang! - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
If I have made a mistake please tell me ;D.
I've been inactive in the forum, so I'll update for each day I missed.
Night of 9-10
Recalled 2 fragments = 1 pt;
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Night of 10-11
Recalled 1 fragment and 1 dream = 1.5 pts;
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Night of 11-12
Recalled 1 dream = 1 pt;
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Night of 12-13
Recalled 2 dreams and 1 fragment = 2.5 pts;
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Night of 13-14
Dream #1
Became Lucid = 5 pts;
Reality Checked = 2 pts;
Stabilized the dream = 2 pts;
Ate a sandwich (It was great btw!) = 4 pts;
Dream #2
Became Lucid (FA) = 5 pts;
Reality checked = 2pts;
Dream #3
Became Lucid = 5 pts;
Did a Reality Check = 2 pts;
Stabilized the dream = 2 pts;
Basic summoning (literally an anchor x) ) = 4 pts;
Recalled those 3 dreams and also another one = 4 pts;
(Crazy night!)
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Sum of these nights = 43 points
Competition Total = 62 points
Thursday night:
2 entire dreams recalled= 2 pts.
1 fragment recalled= .5 pt.
successful WBTB = 3 pts.
Lucid = 5 pts.
successfu RC = 1
Night points= 11.5
New total 39 + 11.5 = 50.5
Lucid dream follows:
I am climbing a very tall, tightly spiraled staircase with my wife and several other people. It is metal and painted an brown-beige color, as are the walls of the space it occupies. I ask one of the other people how far we have to climb and he replies "25 stories." we climb and reach the top. The staircase ends on a large outdoor stone platform. It is very sunny out. The platform is raised and there is a large set of stone stairs leading up to it. The area surrounding the platform is like a beautiful park. The grass is green and there are gentle hills. There are large mature trees scattered around. I get stuck exiting the staircase in some of the metal structure. I get myself free and go down the steps into the grassy area. I see my wife ahead, there is sun shining on her and she looks amazingly beautiful (just like in real life). Something about the scenery gives me pause. I jump and notice that gravity seems weak. I strongly suspect that I am dreaming. I jump again and this time I do an amazing straight legged backflip. landing, I am sure I am dreaming. I call out to my wife "I am dreaming, this is all a dream!' she does not reply. I look at the sky and it is the most amazing deep blue with fractal-like wispy clouds. I remember to stabilize and try to rub my hands together. too late, the dream ends.
Only a WBTB fail and 3 dreams and 1 fragment last night - I have noted down more, but half of it I can't read - and it is too short for triggering memories.
Shame - I thought I get like 6 dreams together.
The good thing is: I dreamt my planned portal for the next LD - been visualizing it in the day - and it was almost exactly so.
So I need not pretend remember it - I really saw it before.
4.5 + 62 = 66.5 points total
Edit: Thanks Brandon - so one question less, and the preferred answer applies! That's great!
Scrambled. I appear (SL not points from this) in a great arena, underground and I rise to a platform near the rear end of the side. I see two metal doors opening in the opposite side and many Antlions from HL2 run out. I blast them of with TK (explosions appearing in their bodies as I point my hand at them), but one manages to come trough my defense and pushes me. I fly into the air and blast a giant cube down from mid-air with airbending as well as may little ones simultaneously. Dream jump-> I appear fully lucid at a front yard of my old school, its night time now and I'm next to a wall. Out of the darkness a man is walking, I freeze and I kinda "want" him to change so I focus fear on the character and he turns into an alien being. It comes to light, it's skinny and light purple with big skinny head and black eyes (kinda disappointed). Dream jump -> Back at the great arena but now it's more similar to Moria's hall, but smaller. I crack the little light bulb device figure from Donald the Duck accidentally and a cyan 7m tall stone guard comes out to fight me. I fight with it for 10 secs with my bare hands stopping it's attacks when SL( he had a sword and a shield) . A couple dream WILDs. I appear in my room in darkness and fly out the window to my roof. I see a white object in the sky being still, I decide I'll make it come out as an UFO so it turns into one yay :o! As it comes towards me its one of those stereotypical circular UFOs like in movies with bright lights all over it (approx. 10m in lenght). I shout :"UFO!UFO!" ~ as I remember month's bonus task. Alarm clock goes off, fu-. I could had adjusted it for 10 minutes more sleep but NOOO I didn't , what a mistake...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikasan527
Getting better. :)
1 dream, 7 fragments, 1 WBTB Success, 2 Lucid, 1 Flight, 1 Partial Transform, 1 Moving thru solid object. 32.5 points.
Spoiler for lucids:
He haven't been on for a while... i hope he'll get back soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by seank12
I think it's 49, not 48. :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL
Correct except for limit, as BB mentioned its only 10 when chaining multiple DEILDs starting from second DEILD.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL
Well, becoming lucid and everything is technically also classified as a task, at least here. The point system was like that before me though. :-?Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL
But i guess i'll have to fix some wording for next competition's OP...
25, since WBTB and 2 points from dreams doesnt count towards limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikasan527
Dont forget to post DJ entries for lucids! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by StingPT