Thread: Lucid dreams vs. psychedelic trips

Originally Posted by Urban Ninja

I gotta disagree with everyone here. I've only had a few LDs, none of them too out of the ordinary so maybe I'm not experienced enough to answer, but I say tripping is MUCH better. Shrooms have given me insights about myself, the world, people, relationships, sex, the mind in general, etc. I feel like I can delve into my own mind with psychedelics, whereas LDing for me as been simply recreational. As I've said, I'm not an experienced lucid dreamer, so I really don't know. I can't see any lucid dream comparing to 5 grams of some strong mushies, however. We'll see.

Exactly. Lucid Dreaming for me has always seemed to be just a playground for my mind, still fun though, I'm not saying I don't enjoy it. But tripping seems to be more of exploring your own mind and seeing the world as it really is. As well as learning new things about yourself ect.

As someone already said, it's comparing apples and oranges. But if I had to choose, I'd pick tripping 100%. Especially because you can trip with a close friend, and become closer with them and build a stronger bond between each other. And it's just fun haha.

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Sounds like salvia maybe?

No, i haven't tried salvia. It's something you can buy in a grocery store. I don't want to say it because i don't want people to go buy it and overdose themselves or something. (Not like they could eat it that easily )

Originally Posted by Xegar

No, i haven't tried salvia. It's something you can buy in a grocery store. I don't want to say it because i don't want people to go buy it and overdose themselves or something. (Not like they could eat it that easily )

I highly doubt a grocery store. But I guess you've done it. Was it LSA?

Originally Posted by Motumz

I highly doubt a grocery store. But I guess you've done it. Was it LSA?

No. I wanted to try that, but didn't have luck.
Okay, fine, its was a kind of spice (no, not that legal herb mix. a simple spice). But really, don't try it. Requires much time to feel the effects and they last for hours. Then you feel bad for 2 days. You have to read enough about a substance if you want to try it.
But come on, this isn't a psychedelic forum :S

i must say, in my journey to become a lucid dreamer i have become more aware of the world around me, im not on auto pilot anymore, ive been unplugged from the matrix. pscilocybin has also helped with this though lol the two together have drastically changed my life for the better

Originally Posted by JamesLD

i must say, in my journey to become a lucid dreamer i have become more aware of the world around me, im not on auto pilot anymore, ive been unplugged from the matrix. pscilocybin has also helped with this though lol the two together have drastically changed my life for the better

Hah, yep. It's crazy when I look back and see how much of a "robot" I was. I can't wait to see how much more lucidity I gain when I try DMT though.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Hah, yep. It's crazy when I look back and see how much of a "robot" I was. I can't wait to see how much more lucidity I gain when I try DMT though.

Gonna go see the elves?

I've not experienced a psychadelic trip yet, so anything I can say about them is secondhand. That said, I believe lucid dreaming can be used to many of the same ends as psychadelics, but psychadelics are the more...direct route. Psychadelics can do things LD can't, just like LD's can do things psychadelics can't.

P.S. Offtopic: James, I'm lovin' your lucid goal

I would say psychedelics have had a more profound effect on me. In lucid dreams you gain access to an unrestricted virtual sensory environment, but there are realms of being that go beyond just purely sense impressions.

Perhaps lucid dreams have deeper applications than what most would encounter. You may be able to use the dream state to enter into similar levels of being as a psychedelic could produce, taking advantage of the fact that you don't have a body the further move beyond the ego. I'm guessing this is what dream yoga is all about.

Originally Posted by Xegar

No. I wanted to try that, but didn't have luck.
Okay, fine, its was a kind of spice (no, not that legal herb mix. a simple spice). But really, don't try it. Requires much time to feel the effects and they last for hours. Then you feel bad for 2 days. You have to read enough about a substance if you want to try it.
But come on, this isn't a psychedelic forum :S

Nutmeg

Originally Posted by Supernova

P.S. Offtopic: James, I'm lovin' your lucid goal

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Motumz

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Originally Posted by Xegar

No. I wanted to try that, but didn't have luck.
Okay, fine, its was a kind of spice (no, not that legal herb mix. a simple spice). But really, don't try it. Requires much time to feel the effects and they last for hours. Then you feel bad for 2 days. You have to read enough about a substance if you want to try it.
But come on, this isn't a psychedelic forum :S

Just letting you guys know, you're really skirting the edge of DV's drug policy, namely providing instruction on how to use or produce substances. Xegar is using sensible precautions even in discussing an unregulated substance, but Motumz, you're saying things you really shouldn't say on the web (or by email, or over the phone). One aim of the drug policy here is to prevent members from incriminating themselves--you're not as anonymous as you think.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Just letting you guys know, you're really skirting the edge of DV's drug policy, namely providing instruction on how to use or produce substances. Xegar is using sensible precautions even in discussing an unregulated substance...

I'm sorry. I can't edit that post. It can be deleted if necessary.

I find dreams to be very similar to psychedelic and also dissociatives(ketamine,n2o,dxm) and even deliriants(nutmeg,datura),and out of body experiences
all in all i have had at least 30 trips in my life counting all hallucinogens,and i think about 20 self induced out of body experiences
I have noticed that when i pay attention to the details of my surroundings in dreams that they are very much like psychedelics,like when i look at something and after a few moments look back at it,it is often changed or altered
heavy REM dreams are very psychedelic and very intense and resemble a heavy dmt-experience for a great deal
over all,i enjoy lucid dreaming a lot more then tripping while being awake,however psychedelics are far more efficient at giving you a life changing spiritual experience(only if you trip in the right way,with the right intend)

you must realize that all psycho-actives(drugs) are basically keys to open chemical reactions in the brain,meaning that the experience ultimately is caused by your own brain,the drugs merely serve as triggers
that being the case ,hallucinogens are probably deeply connected with how the mind dreams

next week im doing a solo trip with an eighth of mushrooms, im so excited! ill let you guys know how it goes

Originally Posted by Xegar

I'm sorry. I can't edit that post. It can be deleted if necessary.

No worries, Xegar--I was mostly using you as an example of how to do it right

As long as everyone is aware that explicit instructions are not kosher, we're good.

Originally Posted by JamesLD

next week im doing a solo trip with an eighth of mushrooms, im so excited! ill let you guys know how it goes

Please do, I love solo trips.

I personally Have yet to become lucid in the essence that I can control my dreams, but I am an avid tripper in reality.
So far I will say that trips seem to be more fun, such as LSD/Shrooms, But I'd like to get to the point in dreams where maybe I can trip, tripping in a lucid dream.. Hmm new goal =)

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Please do, I love solo trips.

Really? I've always found that I'm just really confused when I trip alone. I never know what to do, and I usually just end up falling asleep. I prefer tripping with my best friend

Also, has anybody looked up at the stars while tripping? I did it just this weekend while laying on my trampoline on a higher dose than usual and it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. I saw millions of stars and and the edge of the Milky Way. I kept leaving my body and going into the universe. Best experience of my life.

But yea, the reason I saw all those stars was because it was completely dark outside (no moon), and I live kind of out there from the city, so there was minimal light pollution. Anyways, me and my friend both think we saw a ton more stars than usual was because our pupils were at the biggest they could expand, so therefore receiving more light from other stars that usually we couldn't see. But I dunno. Either way it was incredible.

i personally feel that tripping alone is a great way to open the doors of youre mind, it gives you a lot of time to do some deep thinking and see life from a whole new perspective. it sure has opened my eyes. you can do absolutely anything you want cause theres no one there to hold you back. the second time i experienced ego death was on a solo trip and i completely let go of reality and had the most peaceful and psychedelic experience ever. you could say, my third eye was squeegeed clean!

dont get me wrong though, i do enjoy tripping with a group of close friends.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Really? I've always found that I'm just really confused when I trip alone. I never know what to do, and I usually just end up falling asleep. I prefer tripping with my best friend

Also, has anybody looked up at the stars while tripping? I did it just this weekend while laying on my trampoline on a higher dose than usual and it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. I saw millions of stars and and the edge of the Milky Way. I kept leaving my body and going into the universe. Best experience of my life.

But yea, the reason I saw all those stars was because it was completely dark outside (no moon), and I live kind of out there from the city, so there was minimal light pollution. Anyways, me and my friend both think we saw a ton more stars than usual was because our pupils were at the biggest they could expand, so therefore receiving more light from other stars that usually we couldn't see. But I dunno. Either way it was incredible.

Tripping with a best friend, sibling, or girlfriend/ boyfriend can be really amazing, but doing a solo trip can be one of the most rewarding psychedelic experiences ever. Shrooms by myself in a pretty dark room with my favorite playlist on is incredible. It's like unlocking your mind to roam free for a couple hours. With the right dose (not too much) you can literally take your mind any where, it's quite liberating. Using marijuana by yourself is also a great experience. Try focusing on your subconscious thoughts (what I like to call pot thoughts, haha). It's kind of like creating your own isolation tank, of sorts. Just try to shut down all intake of the senses. Sit in a dark room in the quiet by yourself.

Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

Tripping with a best friend, sibling, or girlfriend/ boyfriend can be really amazing, but doing a solo trip can be one of the most rewarding psychedelic experiences ever. Shrooms by myself in a pretty dark room with my favorite playlist on is incredible. It's like unlocking your mind to roam free for a couple hours. With the right dose (not too much) you can literally take your mind any where, it's quite liberating. Using marijuana by yourself is also a great experience. Try focusing on your subconscious thoughts (what I like to call pot thoughts, haha). It's kind of like creating your own isolation tank, of sorts. Just try to shut down all intake of the senses. Sit in a dark room in the quiet by yourself.

No I know what you mean. With high doses of LSD or 2C-I, every time I'm in darkness I loose basically all psychical senses, basically 100% of ego death every time I can't see.

But also, when tripping with my best friend, we give each other time to trip alone. We would both put on trance and lay back and leave our body. It was pretty fucking crazy last time. When I laid back, I went into the pillow I was holding over my head (to block out the light coming from my visualizer) and I saw this (no joke):



And I never even thought about the image (I had seen it before), it just appeared when I went inside the pillow and kept going forwards from there. It was quite spectacular.

^I've seen that same image...although of course it wasn't static like that as all the "pillars" were spinning around and into infinity like a fractal. Nice artwork though...I wish I could paint some of the stuff I've seen.

Btw guys keep in mind the purpose of this thread...if you just want to talk about drugs and share experiences, we have a thread for that already.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

^I've seen that same image...although of course it wasn't static like that as all the "pillars" were spinning around and into infinity like a fractal. Nice artwork though...I wish I could paint some of the stuff I've seen.

Btw guys keep in mind the purpose of this thread...if you just want to talk about drugs and share experiences, we have a thread for that already.

Sorry for further off topic posting, but what drug were you on? Or was it in a dream? :O

Also, for half an on-topic post I'd like to say half my dreams have drugs in it now haha. Not sure why. But I think it's because I haven't been using drugs at all lately, and my mind has been wanting an altered state of mind again? Dunno.

dmt definitely over lucid dreaming. iv done dmt alot its always a life changing experience cured my depression i had for years