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I didn't say daydreams are dreams. I'm saying they can share a many features of dreams. They can be three-dimensional, involve any and all senses, and have complex storylines. The only feature I can see that makes a daydream different from a vivid dream is that a daydream is imagined, whereas a vivid dream is hallucinated.

But you're right that daydreams can also be simpler, like just being lost in thoughts.
They are three dimensional in so far as we are quite capable of imagining scenes in 3 dimensions. They have complex storylines if we imagine those story lines. Day dreams are manufactured thoughts. Imagination is a thought process. I for one would classify blankly gazing out of the window and imagining what your going to to when you get out of work as being lost in thought.

In any event, its all scemantics and hardly essential to the general discussions.

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Well, that's conjecture
Well Obviously!
But hey man, we're on the bleeding edge here. It would be a boring life indeed if you had to wait for someone to type up a nice report before we could throw ideas around.

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and it's contradicted by the fact that NREM dream reports indistinguishable from REM dream reports have been obtained as much as 25 minutes after the last REM episode.
Shouldn't that be "some" NREM reports are indistinguishable from REM dreams.
By the same token "some" NREM reports are indistinguishable from thinking.

I've offered my thoughts on why this might be the case.
It therefore seems to me that this corroborates my theory rather than contradicts it.

Its going to be a while until we can fit this complex subject into a nice square box I suspect.

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If you don't want a repeat of last years discussion it's not a good idea to insinuate that I said the opposite of what I actually did.
What, last year when you kept repeating that you didn't believe people were entering SP to WILD, despite numerous posters (now including me) describing how they were succesful in doing just that?

BTW The attached article suggests that you can in fact be in Atonia prior to entering REM (didn't you say this wasn't the case?), which it seems to me supports the WILDers experiences.

My theory is shaping up nicely!