Thread: Tips for NOT becoming lucid?

Sorry to hear about the nightmares. That's too bad, I don't think dreams should be a negative experience for anyone

If I were you, I would try autosuggestion, though in this scenario obviously you'd be using it to ensure non-lucidity. Actually, it would most likely mean just not remembering your dreams, so even if you do become lucid and have some horrible nightmare, you won't be able to remember it.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

I'm being sucked face first onto my bed while my chairs are sliding around the room with a demon face in my television.

I am an atheist in my waking life, but in my dreams, I become all kinds of things. I used to have horrifying demonic nightmares, and the thing that turned the dreams into bliss every time was calling out to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit and using the power of God/Jesus/Holy Spirit against the evil. You have to really mean it. God always came in and whipped ass, and I felt peace as a result of that every time I tried it.

I didn't think I'd be posting in this thread ever again. But here we go again - all the old rules apply. But there are a couple of new ones.

1. It doesn't have to occur in the daylight morning hours anymore, meaning that I don't get a good night's rest anymore, which is why I'm currently here writing this. I feel like going to get a milkshake.

2. Vibrations. Everything is vibrations. When I try to move, vibrations that just get worse and worse. This is like Dream Zero with crazy vibrating chairs. That much at least is forever planted in my mind as nightmarish now. As dumb of a scenario as the chairs thing sounds, I will never be able to shake that.

3. Originally I believed it was lying facing down that caused this. That was always my favorite way to sleep, so comfortable - but I had to abandon it. It led to this kind of event, and when I quit sleeping that way it seemed to stop.


I fell asleep briefly somewhere around 1:30 - 2:00 AM. I know I wasn't asleep long because I was listening to my iPod and only a couple of songs had played. I woke up because my arm was bothering me - it was all tingly and asleep even though I hadn't been lying on it. I shook off the paralysis and it didn't seem to be coming back. I turned off the iPod.

The next thing I know I'm standing in pitch blackness. Or maybe I am lying down, but it really feels like standing. I tried to move a little and there was this horrible vibration of me and various objects, mainly chairs and things I know are kept in my room. It just intensified if I struggled.

Like all my lucid dreams, I could just barely open my mouth but could not speak. I've experienced the vibration before - other times I was very clearly awake, lying in my bed (face down, no less) and I could even see the faint glint of light from another room through my eyelids.

Anyway, I was freed from this dream or whatever it was at 3:05 AM. How fitting - the time that when, according to some sources, demons emerge to have their ways with us. But we all know thats bullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

So now I have to ask: Is this the beginning of a WILD? This vibration always seems to occur in some form, usually a quick snap when I go from non-lucid to lucid, and is over. The paralysis too always occurs in an actual dream: sometimes it's just my mouth that doesn't work, sometimes I'm completely paralyzed. But they're always dreams - I can see my surroundings. This time I was likely still in the "here and now" of being in my own real life bed (not to be confused with the dream bed, where nightmares occur). If this was a WILD, then would that make all of my other experiences WILDS with the "dreams" occurring with them actually being hallucinations?

I've never wanted to WILD and I've never really tried it. Having this be a WILD does come to me as a success because I do not want to be doing this, especially without trying. I find it odd to be a WILD considering so many people are trying it and failing. It seems like there are such strict guidelines and many little details to doing that. I also never thought hallucinations would be so clear cut like an actual dream, if we can consider dreams to be very clear at all.

If any of this is contradictory or just runs together, I apologize. I'm trying to get all these details down and I'm a little tired.

Originally Posted by deepsleep

Also i heard that drinking alcohol will weaken your chances of having a lucid or kill your dream recall. Something along those lines.

Yes, become an alcoholic, that might solve all your problems

Actually, I usually dream more after drinking alcohol and it has no effect on lessening my dream recall.

I might be wrong but it sounds like you have a lot of negative thoughts in your subconcious that have been as a result of influence by others. Think rationally (which you seem to be doing pretty well) and think for yourself.

Use "reverse MILD". Chant something like "everything I see during the night is real". That way you won't become lucid.

This my friend will help u instantly....
Drink alcohol before going to bed.A few beers should do the trick.

No thanks guy, I don't drink and I especially don't have the money to spend on beer.

Sounds to me like you might want to look into yoga and/or deep breathing exercises. Your sleep problems seem to me to be stress related and treating the stress in a homeopathic way might be the solution. I would worry less about LD and concentrate on balance (spirit, body, energy) . IMHO

OH MY GOD! how can you say him to drink alcohol? It's a joke or what?
If you give an advice then do it right! it's like "hey nobody loves you? you must take drugs...they are peeerfeeect"

advantageous noodle...
it's strange, you have a strange problem...
but, do that, try transform these nightmares in pleasant dreams, think rational, remember that nothing can hurt you.
try for example, closing your eyes..what happen?


I hope you can beat them!

!bye

Originally Posted by Mariano

OH MY GOD! how can you say him to drink alcohol? It's a joke or what?
If you give an advice then do it right! it's like "hey nobody loves you? you must take drugs...they are peeerfeeect"

advantageous noodle...
it's strange, you have a strange problem...
but, do that, try transform these nightmares in pleasant dreams, think rational, remember that nothing can hurt you.
try for example, closing your eyes..what happen?


I hope you can beat them!

!bye

It works..Also he already said he wont drink alcohol.
I realize we are very different but try to keep an open mind...

Drinking alcohol it's not a way to have an open mind....
There are safers ways to help...when drinking alcohol you are harming yourself, and is innecesary to say to somebody "hey, drink alcohol, it's solves all of your problems"....

Originally Posted by Mariano

Drinking alcohol it's not a way to have an open mind....
There are safers ways to help...when drinking alcohol you are harming yourself, and is innecesary to say to somebody "hey, drink alcohol, it's solves all of your problems"....

i never said drinking alcohol is being open minded...being open minded would be if u have negative ideas about drinking alcohol keep em to yourself....
Anyway this is my last comment about this.Peace

C'mon guys. Let's just be friends.

I wouldn't drink, but I appreciate the advice nonetheless.

The problem is not going away but I'm dealing with it much better. I really just dug this old thread because I wanted to know if I was WILDing or not.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

C'mon guys. Let's just be friends.

I wouldn't drink, but I appreciate the advice nonetheless.

The problem is not going away but I'm dealing with it much better. I really just dug this old thread because I wanted to know if I was WILDing or not.

Glad to know that everything is better. As for WILDing, far as I know, it just involves you saying "1.... (message).... 2....(message)" where message is whatever you want it to be such as "I'm dreaming or I'll remember my dream" until you see the images and hear the sounds in which case you're close to LDing

Fight the nightmere
don't avoid it /wink

I could never put alcohol into my system or smoke anything because I have heart disease.

I really don't want to WILD or anything like that. I don't even want night time lucid dreams. Though I love being out and about at night, something about darkness just unnerves me when it comes to sleep.

I just want to go to sleep and not know whats what until I wake up in the morning. I wish to reserve lucid dreams for daytime naps, where I always remember dreams.

i'm not really all that religious...
but Buddha once said, "there are no bad dreams"

what do you all think that means?

i think it means that there are some minor psychological/dream issues that could be worked out in dreams. using lucidity to an advantage. waking up from a nightmare only temporarily relieves a problem in a dream. this nightmareing recurring is good evidence that you need to solve your problems. fight fire with fire, and find a way to use lucidity to work out your nightmares.

if your "nightmare" is a dream character for example, stop. shakes hands, hug, befriend it. i'm dead serious it helped me once.

Focus the majority of your attention on something new.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

Right, first of all, I know that the reason for this forum's existence is to help people become lucid. It has fulfilled that purpose for me. Now I need help to never become lucid again, or more realistically, as few occurrences as possible.

WTF, right? No, not WTF.

I must be a special person or something, since I'm apparently the only one who is not having fun with this little experiment. I've been becoming lucid many times in the past months. Every time I become lucid, bam - nightmare. Anytime I wake up in the middle of the night and go back to sleep -> sleep paralysis and BAM. Nightmare. Wake up, still in paralysis - wait, what do you know? No I'm not awake, it's still a nightmare! I'm being sucked face first onto my bed while my chairs are sliding around the room with a demon face in my television.

I have classes, very hard classes right now. I have recombinant DNA lab in exactly five hours and I can't go to sleep because every time I fall asleep it's like SP takes five seconds to fully set in, I start seeing flashes of light, hearing noises, and suddenly I'm awake again. Then I'm freaking out because I'm really not sure if I am or not and I know that if I'm not then in three to five seconds of asking that question...all hell is going to break loose.

I've got the website on one hand telling me that everything is normal and that all I have to do is remember that it's not real and it will go away. No, that doesn't work for me. Nothing does. Then there's the other hand, with my mother and father telling me to see a pastor because they think the devil is trying to get me and that toying with dreams has opened some sort of gateway.

Now that sounds like the fuckest baloney shit I've ever heard, but I'm not going to completely rule it out.

NO. Seriously. This is not fun, it is not pretty, it is not entertaining in the slightest bit and I want out - by any means necessary. I can't deal with this bullshit right now. I'm not bashing the site, and I'm not saying I wouldn't love to stick around for years to come to read people's stories and things like that, but I dread going to sleep.

I think i can help. But not in the way you might want. I've been able to be lucid since I was very young, maybe 3 or 4 years old. I had nightmares lucid or not. Many times when i was aware i was dreaming i'd have nightmares, but the knowledge it wasn't real did help a bit. However, i was sick of the dreams, so i learned to control it. This is what I'm asking you to do...try to control your dreams. When you are having a nightmare stay calm...fear, stress and anxiety trigger nightmares. Keep dark thoughts at bay. Think about something you like..something that makes you happy. It could be sex, or a pretty feild with rainbows and deer and flowers (hey..its better than being scared hehe). If this doesn't work and you just want out of the dream, imagine opening your eyes. Try really hard to open your eyes. Don't panic...believe you will wake up. I've done this many times and it sometimes results in false awakenings but it also often works.