Thread: Tips for NOT becoming lucid?

Stay off the forums for a while and read to get your mind off lucid dreaming so your mind wont be filled with all this stuff. Reading usually helps me fall asleep before bed too, and sometimes i have a related dream that night.

Thanks for the tip. Fortunately for me, the university canceled classes today because of snow.

Just try not to think about lucid dreaming like thefieldsofdawn said try reading. It may help.
Also i heard that drinking alcohol will weaken your chances of having a lucid or kill your dream recall. Something along those lines.

Lucid dream interest is about controlling your dream experience, not simply gaining lucidity. It is important to know you have the power to create whatever you need, even non-lucid dreaming. I wouldn't want to dream lucidly all the time. It seems to me that some of your issues with lucidity come from a fear of lucidity. Maybe it makes you feel a little out of control. Learning to not have lucid dreams is a power, too. What do you feel is in your best interest? Consider stating some affirmation to yourself before sleep (e.g. "I have uneventful dreams") to ease your mind. When you wake up from dreaming, if you state such an intention, take note of your dreams. They will probably have been regular dreams. Hope this helps!

I agree with others here who say to avoid thinking/reading/writing anything regarding lucid dreaming, sleeping, dreaming in general, and reality checks. Another thing to do that has worked well for me when I awake in SP and see/sense an evil presense is to:

1)recognize that it is simply SP and that you should just relax and imagine you enjoy the experience. then

2)imagine you are somewhere peaceful and calm. I like to imagine laying on the sand in the beach watching the ocean. Imagine being there and feeling the warm sand. What will likely happen is that you will enter into a dream on that beach that is peaceful.

You could also try telling yourself that you fear nothing and truly believe it when u say it to yourself over and over b4 you sleep. It may help to eliminate any thought of fear or nightmares because when you think about those things (and you seem to be consumed by those thoughts) you are going to have nightmares when you dream.

Good luck, I hope you figure things out.

And btw... it's not the devil or something evil for real so don't worry about it.

"It's not the devil or something evil"

Don't tell my mother that!

It very well could be a fear of lucidity. Being lucid is really like being an another world or another dimension. Who knows what is lurking around each corner? And it is not what is actually there, but it is the actual question itself that sends me into nightmares I would think. The most beautiful and the most gruesome things could be present, and I believe that this virtue combined with my somewhat pessimistic nature and the fact that I usually see bad in things before I see good is what leads to all the negative things I experience.

Last night I kept telling myself before sleep that it was just nonsense things that were scaring me and that I was person far too mature and strong to be afraid these apparitions in my dreams. I was sort of pins and needles all night, but no dream recall of anything bad, and I got my regular amount of sleep.

I'm still extremely fascinated by lucid dreaming and wish I was the sort of person to take to things so quickly. The loss of sleep right now just doesn't fit with my schedule. If I said or made it seem as if I never wanted to experiment again, I was being hasty. I will definitely resume when my schedule is more permitting. Thanks for all these tips, fellows. It really seems to be working.

I think you still haven't gotten after the anxiousness associated with being in this new world and not knowing what to do, etc. If you are worried, stressed, whatever you wanna call it even the smallest bad thoughts can often ruin the dreamscape. I noticed recently I entered this disco-style looking LD and trying to decide what to do, I had the smallest, most vague negative thought and then turned around and ended up making a frankenstein come chase after me.

I think you should give it another chance since it can take a while to overcome this stuff. Hell, I still have TONS of lucid nightmares but I started to turn them toward my liking. You can play the hero, fight back, talk to them, ignore and start doing something else, etc. It's really up to you if you want to stop just ignore my post. I honestly think I could give you some tips to get it working in your favour but once again it's your choice and would take some time.

Btw, no offence but your mother is definitely wrong. LDs have been studied scientifically so the majority of these "supernatural" explanations can be ruled out. Have people ever thought that not all negative consequences have to be a result of the devil and maybe it's just your mind. Having thoughts like that if anything probably just makes it worse since you remember that and it's likely to arise in your dream in the near future. Btw, I'm in my last semester and all that as well and have more than enough time to do whatever I enjoy... I never understood people's problem with that. I mean honestly it doesn't take 24 hours a day to study even if you are aiming for 4s but I guess it all comes down to time management. I can understand how poor sleep could get in the way though.

I would not ignore any post or any advice in a thread that I started. I'm taking it all into consideration.

It is not an issue of time management - the problems lies solely in lack of sleep only because I've not been able to sleep. Like I said, the problem seems to be lessening.

I would really intend to turn these nightmares around. Unfortunately, the antagonist for me is something invisible, something I can't talk to or reason with easily unless I could possibly conjure a face to represent it.

I almost regret telling my family about my sleep problems because as you aptly pointed out, it only allows that evil to pervade the dream world even more. Even if it was true evil that was making my life difficult right now, I don't really know if that is scarier than having the issue just be my own mind. So I agree with you on the supernatural aspect of the discussion. Really, I agree with you on all points.

When you are in Sleep Paralysis close your eyes. If you want to get out of it, here is what I do, ( I do this because I go into sleep paralysis in the morning and I don't want anyone to wake me while I am in it ). I focus on my hand. Relax, notice that you are indeed awake and try to move your fingers then your hand. I exit it right away, it is still hard to move because of the partial paralysis but you can move and the images and stuff go away.


Other options.. Laugh at it, it is your mind doing this to you. There is nothing to fear but fear itself, it's all fake in this.


WILD- http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=66238


Make the noises associate with something else.. if it is screams make it a crazy laughter

if it's whispers make it whispers from your GF/crush

I have been doing this but only in the morning, it's not as bad in the morning because it's not dark out but it still is a little frightening.

I always have these bad dreams when I wake up in the middle of the night/early morning and immediately go back to sleep. I never have them when I sleep solidly through. Could these be considered mini WILDs, as paralysis is involved with them but only in the sense that I can somewhat feel the sensation before I fall asleep and then once I'm asleep and I "wake up" I am fully paralyzed in the dream?

I've successfully done WBTB many times as well as DILD with limited success but nearly all LDs have ended in misery. I can honestly say I have never had any desire to use the WILD technique.

My sleeping is back on track at this point. I did have a strange occurrence last night. I was in the process of falling asleep. I was experiencing the color patterns moving around as well as bits of dialogue from a few people. My friend was talking about something, his face was starting to materialize out of the blackness, and he suddenly stopped mid sentence to say "duh duh duh duh duh duh..." I found this extremely weird for him and I snapped back to full attention to find it was a hammering noise outside (not sure what it was at 1 AM in the morning). Is it possible to have one limb in full paralysis but not the rest of the body? My arm was feeling very strange at this point, like paralysis had just ended for it. Another question: these bits of dialogue, accompanied by the formation of faces and scenes in the mind's eye...is this what we call HI, or is HI something that you encounter further down the WILD road?

That should be HI since it's signalling that the dream is just about to start. Just later, more vivid imagery. You were probably super close to entering an LD cause that always happens to me right before and then the shapes, voices, etc. all start to come together and form the bigger picture.

I've had full nights of undisturbed sleep for the past several nights. Finally.
Last night something strange happened. I woke up (time unknown) in the middle of the night and found my iPod was beside me, turned on at maximum volume, and the earbuds were removed from my ears. It was playing so loud I could make out the song.

I went to bed with it on, but it was turned low and I switched it off before going to sleep. I can understand it being at max volume, maybe I just put weight on the button, and the earbuds probably just fell out if I rolled over, but I don't understand how it turned on, it's one of the second generation shuffles that has a tiny switch that is recessed inward. It takes a fingernail to turn it on....

Ghost fingernails.

You said your antagonist is something invisible. Next time you have lucid nightmare, you may try to find something which is very "out-of-place". Chances are it is what you need.

After a solid week of nothing, I had another false awakening.

Waking up in bed = almost instant lucidity (dreamsign?) = instant fear = not fun.

But there is a pattern to this madness. It seems that every time I sleep on my stomach there is a FA to be had, without exception. I waited a full week to try this, and it was proven last night.

It was only slightly nightmarish. I woke up, on my stomach as usual. I could tell this wasn't right somehow. Suddenly, as is the always case with becoming lucid in my false awakenings, I heard a loud click, as if lucidity literally clicks with me. I could move this time, no paralysis. I could hear the sound of someone cutting paper beside my bed, and I could hear the strips falling onto the floor. My roommate responded to my voice after several attempts. Somewhat reassured, I closed my eyes and instantly paralysis took over and I was back asleep (IE unconscious, I remember seeing black and then having no memory of thereafter).

I had a host of non-lucid dreams last night. These took place in strange homes and buildings, nothing that would cause me to question my reality.

I had a lucid nightmare last night. I "woke up" sitting in the passenger seat of a car. Within about 2 seconds I saw a bright flash before my eyes, heard a loud click, and I was lucid. I was excited at first because I was finally lucid somewhere not in my room (which always means a nightmare for me). Unfortunately, I couldn't open my mouth, and my lower half was paralyzed (the only reason I deem this a nightmare).

This freaked me out because it was like my mouth was magneted shut - I could barely get my lips to part before they would be pulled closed again. I made myself calm down and try to materialize one of my friends in the driver seat - nothing. Anyway, the car started to drive along a moonlight road with a lake immediately off the right side of the road. I had no control over the direction of the car, but I could control the speed, which seemed to be directly related to how tense my body was and how hard I was "breathing." I used my hands to lean out the window. I could feel wind on my forehead and on my hands, but not on my mouth. My mouth and chin were numb like when I go to the dentist. I banged my hands around, hitting the dashboard, etc. which led to very slight dull pain on my palms. At the end of the dream, the lakeside path turned into a flat straight road with green grass on either side. It was extremely foggy so I couldn't see far in any direction - like a foggy Salisbury plain, I guess. Just nothingness in all directions. I woke up randomly.

I look at this as progress. I had this lucid without trying, and it wasn't very terrifying like some of the last ones I have had.

Honestly I'm too lazy to post much on this forum but if you wanna talk on msn I can probably help you out alot. I've been having the same problem as you over the last while and have gotten better at controlling it. I still got screwed over last night for some reason though ugh lol.

Find another hobby to try.

This would be relevant if I was actually trying to have these kinds of dreams. That's the problem - I'm not trying. It just happens.

Try posting in another thread. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Jorge

Find another hobby to try.

With all due respect, it's probably a good idea to read the first post before posting in a thread.

Now... Noodle... hey I really feel for you. It sounds like you could possibly have a sleep disorder. I don't know much about sleep disorders so can't really help terribly much on that front. But I can say this...

I see you live in the Bible Belt. No offence, but if you lived in India your mother would be a Hindu, or if you had lived in Denmark in the time of the Vikings she'd believe in Wotan and Thor, or if you lived in Central Africa you'd be thinking it was the great Juju up the mountain coming to get you in your sleep. The point is, in all likelihood there are no gods, ghosts, demons or evil spirits. Personally I think you can safely rule this out as the explanation. It is more likely that you are just like the other 6 billion people on the planet who all have a brain that has evolved in a manner such that we often experience a phenomenon known as Hypnagogia and Sleep Paralysis.

Feel free to PM if you wish. I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have and it would be a particular pleasure to help rescue you from the delusion that is religion having experienced immeasurable joy and liberation from escaping it myself.

I wish you all the best,
Dreamqueen

Is it strange to enjoy nightmares? Im sure if mine were re-ocurring I would begin to not like them like most, but I only have them occasionally and I actually like NMs...Im sorry that you are having this problem. . .

I wouldn't say that it is strange for someone to enjoy their nightmares. Probably uncommon, but not strange. Thanks for all of the input.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

I wouldn't say that it is strange for someone to enjoy their nightmares. Probably uncommon, but not strange. Thanks for all of the input.

Personally i like nightmares, Fear is a good dream sign
and there entertaining to a extent

God is not your problem, i have no problems with lucid dreaming and i am a strong believer. it sounds to me like you should go see a docter or try to get your mind off lucid dreaming?

tbh, i think you need to calm down and think about this rationally
Mabe try to control your dreams and turn your nightmares into pleasant ones

if you awake in sp or go into sp, just try turn it into a dream
go look at all the WILD tuts, mabe that will help

A few posts prior to this I confirmed that I knew my problem was nothing supernatural. A few posts before that I also confirmed my sleep was back on track and I actually turned a nightmare into a non-nightmare lucid dream. Rational thinking was what stopped me from going insane and failing my classes from exhaustion.

Don't be deceived. I too am a firm believer.

Originally Posted by Advantageous Noodle

A few posts prior to this I confirmed that I knew my problem was nothing supernatural. A few posts before that I also confirmed my sleep was back on track and I actually turned a nightmare into a non-nightmare lucid dream. Rational thinking was what stopped me from going insane and failing my classes from exhaustion.

Don't be deceived. I too am a firm believer.

Thats good to hear!, btw that anime owns