Thread: what is a "natural lucid dreamer"

The most common interpretation is just someone that has experience with lucid dreaming, without having heard about it, or the techniques to obtain it, from an outside source.

I would probably define a "natural" as someone who needs very little effort or intention to obtain lucidity, it just happens for them spontaneously. Not like for the rest of us chumps who have to work our nads off to achieve even the most remote success. Of course it's very subjective, every different individual has a different struggle, some really hard (like mine) & others seem to get it a lot easier. So I guess the term natural can have a varied meaning, but basically it boils down to "easier than for the rest of us". IMHO.


-------------(Mr. Natural)----------

Everyone used to be a natural lucid dreamer when we were kids. All my friends could choose and control their dreams themselves when they were kids. It's a natural skill everyone posses from birth. We just forgot how to use it.

Yeah, it's a pretty gray area, because I do agree Phydeaux, as well.^

Originally Posted by Phydeaux_3

I would probably define a "natural" as someone who needs very little effort or intention to obtain lucidity, it just happens for them spontaneously. Not like for the rest of us chumps who have to work our nads off to achieve even the most remote success. Of course it's very subjective, every different individual has a different struggle, some really hard (like mine) & others seem to get it a lot easier. So I guess the term natural can have a varied meaning, but basically it boils down to "easier than for the rest of us". IMHO.

I only disagree with you because he said "natural lucid dreamer" which if you dissect the phrase, means someone who naturally has lucid dreams. So if you were saying that someone who has frequent lucid dreams, or that they come easy, I would say a "naturally proficient lucid dreamer" or something like that. Just saying someone is a natural lucid dreamer, doesn't indicate whether it comes easy to them or not, but that it naturally occurred.

Also, I don't think that it boils down to "Easier than the rest of us." I am sure there are people here who are not naturals, but have better recall, better control, and more lucids than some naturals. I know my recall is pretty bad, and I rarely have lucids when I try, and my control isn't too good either.
But I had a lucid dream when I was in 3rd grade, so I consider myself a natural since it just happened randomly without know of it or trying.

I wish we could all agree on a single meaning, because I get confused when people mention naturals, as in one of your threads Phydeaux_3. I thought you meant someone who had a lucid dream without knowing about them, not someone proficient at them. But I hope this post lets you know why I misinterpreted that. But in my opinion, the words "natural lucid dreamer" are different than someone who is naturally proficient at lucid dreaming. The words are close, but I don't think they have the same meaning.

Originally Posted by i make it rain

i have heard it is someone who just has had a lucid dream before knowing what it was/trying to do it. i have heard it is someone who rarely has NON-lucid dreams. i have heard it is someone who just has lucid dreams come very easily.

all 3 of these combined

personally i saw it as someone who had a lucid dream without trying to, but now i don't really know. i think we should have a giant DV meeting to define the word/phrase.

I would class myself as a natural with out even looking at any of the reply posts (even though i should

My Reasons are:
I don't have to try and get lucid all my dreams are lucid
I have always remembered all of my dreams being lucid
No matter what i take(drugs, beer whatever) I can get lucid

Don't no if that's any help to you at all but that's how i have always thought of it

I consider a natural to be someone who has always lucid dreamed and has to put little effort, if any, into becoming lucid.

I cant stop having lucid dreams, cant remember when i started having them, never even thought of what types of dreams there are until someone told me about obe's.

i guess thats what a natural lucid dreamer is

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Everyone used to be a natural lucid dreamer when we were kids. All my friends could choose and control their dreams themselves when they were kids. It's a natural skill everyone posses from birth. We just forgot how to use it.

Your friends must have been talented. When I had my first lucid and told my friends in elementary school about it they had no idea what I was talking about.

Originally Posted by Pieman

I cant stop having lucid dreams, cant remember when i started having them, never even thought of what types of dreams there are until someone told me about obe's.

i guess thats what a natural lucid dreamer is

*plots to dream about sneaking into your dreams to swipe some of your lucid dream abilities*

Interesting. I always thought a "natural" was someone who could induce lucid dreams at will. I guess I was a little off.

I've always had DILD's. Many of them, but not until I stumbled across DV did I realize one could WILD. Some with great difficulty, some with ease. I thought the "naturals" were the ones who could do it with ease. I'm probably not making any sense, but anyway...

Originally Posted by Vex Kitten

*plots to dream about sneaking into your dreams to swipe some of your lucid dream abilities*

This is taking Dream Sharing to a whole new level!

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

This is taking Dream Sharing to a whole new level!

Now i no this is going to to sound like a load of shit but i have shared a dream with my friend with out knowing it and in that dream i tought him how to roll a cig.
Though the passed weeks i had being trying but he just wasn't able to do it. Then i had a dream that i showed him and then the next day he said thanks for teaching me lol and then i went no problem and both of us at the same time just stopped. Just to prove what we were both talking about we both writ on our hands the main piont of the dream and showed each other and they were both the same. Since that day we havn't talked about it and tbh i don't want to......

That's interesting, but I don't smoke and never have so I don't have much knowledge on cigs.

i don't know but i don't really have to try that hard to have a lucid dream and i had them before i even knew what they were so i think myself a natural.

Originally Posted by ray

i don't know but i don't really have to try that hard to have a lucid dream and i had them before i even knew what they were so i think myself a natural.

Whatever you are, you're very good at lucid dreaming!

Originally Posted by ray

i don't know but i don't really have to try that hard to have a lucid dream and i had them before i even knew what they were so i think myself a natural.

Welcome Dreamviews, am like you i had no idea what it was untill i came here good place to learn how other people do it

Originally Posted by jankai

Now i no this is going to to sound like a load of shit but i have shared a dream with my friend with out knowing it and in that dream i tought him how to roll a cig.

i thought all you UKers called them "fags." that is how i know you are lying. GOTCHA

jk...thats really cool

p.s. we sometimes call them "squares" in the U.S. too. just thought i should share some lingo...

go on with your thread...o wait, its my thread...whatever

I/m a natural, and most children are. Highly imaginative people tend to be.

Define it as one who needs very little effort to achieve dream lucidity soberly.

All natural organic people who take of niacin & B6 are not, but helps there dream recall
cheaters

Originally Posted by Mysteryhunter

I/m a natural, and most children are. Highly imaginative people tend to be.

Define it as one who needs very little effort to achieve dream lucidity soberly.

All natural organic people who take of niacin & B6 are not, but helps there dream recall
cheaters

Lol, that's a nice way to think of it. Best impressive way to be proud of is without obvious aids. And no one wants to catch dream aids.

Oh and I love that signature!

I've always had lucid dreams but not frequently or with lots of control. When i found DV i realized i'd begun to WiLD the year before which was weird, but I still dont have great frequency or amazing control, but i dont even keep a dream journal, I just remember them in my head.

I believe I used to have "natural" LDs as a kid...but I seemed to have lost this ability due to the stress that came into my life soon after that period of time. I'm not sure if defining a natural lucid dreamer is as much about how often they LD without effort as it is how in tune they are with their dreamstate. Perhaps they are more aware of their surroundings and have more intuitive capabilities compared to most us, which allows them to recall certain feelings they experience in dreams, hence making them lucid without effort.