Thread: Becoming aware

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I think some times we go lucid when, in a dream, we are put in dangerous or weird situations and the mind tries to work out how we got in those situations. Then depending on how weird the situation is the mind realises that it is dreaming.

Ya, once you start trying to think more about what happened before, you will realise you are in a dream.


I can never remember my real life in dreams, (even most lucids) I often wake up thinking:
'Oh yeah, this is my real life, not the life I was dreaming about a second ago'
Its really wierd.

But what is it that let's us become aware we are dreaming? it's like there is an outside awareness and an inside awareness.

I'm not sure if I understand your question, but when your dreaming its just your brain like thinking up a bunch a ramdom bull. and then your brain is also like wtf is going on = Lucid. Sorry fo being so scientific. lolol

I mean how do u become "aware" of what's going on? what part of the brain let's your dream become it's own reality inside your head? we are aware we are here right now, i am aware i'm typing this to you, just as you're aware your recieving this, and responding. I become aware i'm going to sleep then the lights go out, and sometimes you can go a while then bam, sometimes short. Anyway, when you lose yourself in your head (if you wanna call it losing yourself, since you're nolonger in your own reality, but your subconscious reality), how do you become aware
you're in your head? what is it inside your brain that turns itself on to becoming aware of you knowing you're inside your head, and since you are aware you can to RL stuff at will unlike normal dreams sometimes. Anyway it's complicated to talk about, but i just wanna know how is it and what is it that let's you become your thoughts that are in the shape of moving pictures in your head, and your feelings you get, your ability to move at will, what is it that let's your real life you become your dream you, and be aware you're still around doing your thing, whatever it is your thing is.

Sorry fo being so scientific.

Np, i prefer that as science is all we know for truth right now.

The answer to why is memory or knowledge in my opinion. At least to remember that dreams exist. After that you just have to think a bit to decide if you're dreaming or not. Usually once your confused you're allready lucid.

Here is a better way of saying it, now that i seen a few threads that are similar to mine in a way.

How does your consciousness become 1 into your subconsciousness?

Everything becomes into 1 thing, like it emerges. Like finishing a puzzle, all the pieces connect together. Is there an answer or are we still wondering about how we can become concsiously aware we are in our subconcsiousness and making it like RL.

I don't think consciousness becomes one with the subconscious. I don't feel that when I'm lucid. At least I can't control the suboncscious processes.

When we aren't lucid it's the subconcsious doing the work, when we become aware it's the concsious part of us, so that's why i merged the 2.

I don't think so. When I walk around I don't consciously control my environment, it just is there, even if it's unstable.
When in a normal dream I'm still on some level of consciousness. The only time I really lose it is between the dream periods, where there is no memory.

Your question is phrased in a way that I'm not really sure what you're asking - so I'll answer a few different interpretations to the best of my ability.

If you're asking what is the mechanism by which one becomes aware in a dream, I'd say it's taking that split second to scrutinize the world around you. Should I be in the jungle? Should there be a giant pancake terrorizing that village? The second you question it, you awaken your ego in a sense. If I could think of an analogy, and I'm not sure how good this is, a normal dream would be like sitting so close to a television screen that it fills your field of view. Becoming lucid is pulling back just far enough to see the border, to realize that what you're seeing isn't 'real'.

If you're asking where your sense of self emerges from, you're asking one of the hardest questions we as a race of individuals can ask. Nobody really knows. Is it a feedback loop of thought - thinking about thinking? Is it an illusion of brain chemistry? Is it a fundamental function of the universe on the same tier as time and space, or the forces like gravity and electromagnetism and the brain just functions like an antenna channeling that sense into organic form? Who knows? Science doesn't.

I don't know if either of those answer your question, but you mentioned something else that might be part of the problem with how you're phrasing the question. There isn't really an outside awareness and an inside awareness. They're the same. To your brain a dream and real life are essentially the same, just in the waking world you have strict rules governing your interactions with your environment and in dreams the environment is subject to your will because there is nothing objective 'out there' that it is based on. It's all memory and imagination.

What I mean is, when you're awake, looking around, you're not actually looking outside of your brain. 'You' are not sitting right there behind the lens' of your eyes. You're inside a world that is contained entirely inside your brain. I'm not talking about the matrix here, this is just how sensory input works. When you're looking up at the sky at night, you're actually looking at the back of your head. Well, not literally, but you get the point. Maybe.

It's the sense of self one. Knowing you're there like you are in waking life. I figured nobody knew, it must be one hell of a thinker.

What I mean is, when you're awake, looking around, you're not actually looking outside of your brain. 'You' are not sitting right there behind the lens' of your eyes. You're inside a world that is contained entirely inside your brain. I'm not talking about the matrix here, this is just how sensory input works. When you're looking up at the sky at night, you're actually looking at the back of your head. Well, not literally, but you get the point. Maybe.

Which makes you ponder, do you even exist at all? if i do, does anyone i see or everyone i see just a DC. Are you even real? or just my brain showing typing from "something". If everything is just your brain, nothings real, and we are our brains, and live for aslong as our brains are. We are not the body parts inside us, the brain just controlls that (duh), the brain let's us be aware we are here, but it lies to us because we live ina fantasy world in our head. There is no such thing as reality, i suppose?

The question is, am i alone? if i'm not how can i connect to others. Maybe everything anyone says is just our brains telling us answers we wanna know, and don't wanna know. My brain made you type because i anted to know the answer.

Does everything you ever learn, see, experience come into existence only at the exact moment you first experience or imagine it and no sooner? Are you actively creating the universe around you? Who could say. To me, you could be just as you described me, and I could be in a sense reassuring myself in some self-therapeutic sense by writing this to a person that doesn't really, truly exist outside of my mind. It's a slippery question, I know.

I was where you are, and certainly I still have no idea, but I think you have to accept that part of the mystery. 'You' are stuck where 'you' are. If it makes you feel any better, my guess would be that you are not alone... in a sense, anyway. We're all alone in the sense that all we will ever see or think is contained within our subjective experience, but that's life (and consider all of nature: there are no 'accidents' - everything is causally linked, so there is a reason for this disconnection - maybe it's essential to the evolutionary process). However, you aren't alone, because real or imagined (and likely, if everyone around you was imagined, you might consider that may very well apply to your very idea of yourself), everyone around you is in the same mess.

I think one of the weird things we're finding is that consciousness, and the sense of self, is not purely reducible to neural correlates... that is to say, you aren't chemistry. I think we'll find that consciousness is something more fundamental to natural law than that. It's interesting stuff. But ultimately, it's the biggest question going, and you'll likely never answer it alone... BUT that doesn't mean you shouldn't think about it, acknowledge it, use that perspective to inform how you live your life. Is everyone you, just living a different life? I don't mean the you that you know now, I mean the 'you' deep down that your life happened to. Does that change anything?

Anyway, don't let the anxiety of the situation get to you; you're just waking up.

I could talk about this forever, but then I'd never get anything done.

I have lots of these questions, and i can go deep beyond words on how i feel about the subject, but going deep isn't the thing to do IMO, just basic. Ask questions, and have short but meaningfull answers. I don't actually wanna live a life wondering WTF is everything, why am i here, and what do i have to do about everything, what is anything, is there nothing, what is something, is there anything real, are we all dreaming? how can i wake up if so, are you real? what goes on inside your head if you are not real? or even if you are real, can you understand? do you want to understand? is there a way to understand, or is it all blind, and we are living a lie. How can i connect to other people, i have to be real in SOME way, some insy binsy way or everything will be dark, i will see nothing, i will hear nothing, my brain wont be my brain, i will be connected to nothingness because i am nothing. But i am here now, i see now, all in my brain or not, this is my taste of reality, fake or not. I'm tied to this, never know what may be, or is, only wonder about whatever it is i may be thinking, but then are thoughts real? what makes a thought real if this sin't real. Etc etc etc. I can make a whole book typing like this, sometimes i keep on wanting to know what i don't know, and what i don't know i wont ever know before my tiny space of reality gets turned off like shutting off a computer, and it makes me mad i'll never know what i really wanna know.

Well, just a point worth making, but you're making a lot of assumptions about something that is unknowable right now - like what happens when you die, or where you came from, etc. Is it like shutting off a computer? Is shutting off a computer even like shutting off a computer? Don't be mad, sit back and enjoy the ride, and in the end, maybe you'll get off and remember you were the engineer that designed the damn thing, haha.