Thread: am I evil???

I don't think you should hold my opinion to the highest regard but, to kill and do all those things, if you know it's wrong and you are doing it for fun in lucids, it's a reflection on what you wish you could do in real life. People have lucid sex all the time but that doesn't make them sex addicts in real life, it just means they wish they could get laid more often [or just want to please their base selves, anyways].

If you do it with ill intentions, you're evil. Now, as far as evil goes, it's true, its subjective. BUT, get over the "let's be objective" junk, the truth is, everything is subjective, whether you realize it or not. Objectivity is the general subjective opinion or pattern repeated or shown often.

As for personal reference, when lucid, I've thought of hurting people, but never do it. I feel bad just upon the though of it, and since the dream world is formed around thoughts, beliefs, emotions, memories, etc. It's safe to say how you feel or how you justify your lucid actions reflects greatly upon your mental being. For, a person can be mentally "evil" but repress such things in real life because they don't want to take consequence for such actions, in the dream world, you are omnipotent, so you'd go out on a limb and fulfill whatever you fancy.

As for how sensible anything I said was... I'm not really sure. If I offend, I apologize, if I am of help, then I do not.

We decide which is right, we being society. Society says red is red. But in your head you are the society. You decide everything. If you want to call red 'green' who is to tell you that you are wrong? Sure you are wrong in this realm but not in your dreams.

The real world is like a game of soccer, you have to use your feet, if you touch the ball you get penalized. In your dream you pick up the ball you only get penalized if you want to get penalized. At first you usually do get penalized though too because society has hard wired these beliefs into your head... I'm going to quote the Matrix here, and it is corny but applicable.

I know that there is no penalty. That's the point. That is what makes lucid dreaming a temptation. Will you sell out your waking morals just so you can live out a fantasy in your dreams? If what you really want is to kill and maim and rape, does dreaming it make it any better?

wow I didn't know this topic would trigger such deep conversations. in response to some of the questions you guys asked: when I'm in LDs I'm aware that I'm dreaming but I still have a little bit of dream logic controlling me. I dont' feel fully like my waking self, more like a fictionalized version of myself. I'm not a violent or mean person in waking life (except when I'm really drunk....err....maybe these dreams are my subconscious's way of showing me what I'm like when I'm being a drunken asshole since I'm usually blacked out and don't remember any of it)...I like the analogy someone said of Grand Theft Auto. LDing is basically exploring an extremely real virtual reality world, so in a way its kind of like being in a video game and testing it out by blowing shit up and killing people. And I think the reason I do violent things in my dreams is because I know nobody will really be hurt. Now here's a scary thought: what if one day I'm totally convinced I'm dreaming but I'm actually in real life and I go around killing people for fun. Ah!!!! That creeps me out.

I have to agree with those that say this is not the correct thing to do. Using the same line of thinking as unseen wombat, I think that "you" is that consciousness. Now I'm aware that in lucid dreams you aren't fully there, but you are surely enough aware to know the difference between right and wrong. I know this because in my last lucid dream I realized that I could do whatever I wanted. I could kill and there would be no consequences. But I instantly thought "this is wrong" and abstained from doing so. Just because you are dreaming does not mean you can run wild and act like a savage animal; sure you can have some fun, but not in ways that are murderous and evil. I personally want to take down a city with an earthquake in a dream because I've never seen something like that. However, I am not going to imagine it with people screaming and bloodied dieing all around me. No, I just want to see the buildings crash down in an empty city. Is this sort a crude desire? Yes, no doubt. However, it harms nobody and is something you can look back to in waking life and say that it was just a dream.

Even in dreams I believe you should define your morals. Maybe running around throwing newborns off the roof isn't real, but it is a chilling idea. In my opinion if you want to kill in a dream, summon some zombies or some other stereotypically evil paranormal being and blast away. At least now you are being more of a hero than a criminal. In a non-lucid dream if you woke up and remembered that you dreamt about raping somebody you would also feel a bit guilty. However, that is excusable since you weren't conscious. When you are conscious though I believe YOU are responsible for your actions and shouldn't submit to these thoughts. I don't think you are evil. Your actions are evil. That does not mean you cannot be influenced by these dreams though and truly become a person who's only reason for not acting this way is to avoid punishment.



This wasn't a very organized post, but I think you get the message. I have horrible obsessive thoughts but I realize this isn't ME, therefore I dismiss them as wrong and something that should not be done. In my humble opinion you should do the same.