Thread: am I evil???

Originally Posted by unseen wombat

To answer that question I suppose you need to know what is what is the real "you"? Is it the flesh and bone person who walks around and needs to eat and go to the bathroom and stuff? Or is it your consciousness that resides in that meat body? If it's the former, then no, you're not evil. If it's the latter, then I suppose you need to ask why you're doing those terrible things. Do you genuinely enjoy it? Is the only reason you don't do it in real life because you would have to suffer the repercussions? Then yes, you are evil. If it's just because you know you're not really hurting anyone; if you would never do this in real life even if you had the chance to get away with it scott free, then no.

Guys, not to detract from your replies, but to say, "no you're not evil, I do the same thing," doesn't really help. Just because someone else does something, doesn't make it right. I know I'm stepping on toes here, but we have to accept the possibility that maybe these things are evil. I'm not saying I'm any better though. Soon as I'm able to hang onto lucidity long enough, me and Jessica Alba have a date with destiny. And we won't be drinking tea. Does that make me evil? I'm not sure. I'm married, so I think it might. Of course, I'm of the opinion that I'm more than just this meat body, and my mind is more than just mush and electrical signals.

These are deep questions, and as many forummers are here, that's how many opinions we'll have. It depends on your belief.

Good and Evil, right and wrong, they are subjective terms. What is evil to one person is 'right' to another person. Society decides what good and evil is, individuals don't. If the majority believe something then it becomes true, reality is a social construct. Since in your dreams you are society YOU decide what is good and evil even though in the tangible realm society would perceive it as evil.

Having sex with Jessica Alba isn't evil if she is willing it is not evil and since it is only going on in your head who is to say it ever happened? In my opinion lucid dreaming is the best tool to stay 'faithful.' It has helped me personally come to accept being a virgin at 21 and being completely okay with it and also the reason I do not actively pursue having sex in the real world.

So killing people in your dreams and doing vile things is perfectly okay. In fact, doing it in real life is okay; you just have to be ready to deal with the consequences society has created for doing the evil things. I personally would never kill anyone because when ever I do something in real life I ask my self, "would I want someone to do that to me?"

Off Topic PS: My first celebrity I porked was Amy Smart and the weird thing is she wouldn't have been my first choice, she was just there and I did it

EDIT to respond to a previous post:

Originally Posted by Abra

Eh. I have my views on this, but you won't like them. Whenever I am conscious, whether in a dream or in life, I abide by the same morals. Otherwise I am contradictory. Why would anyone want to do such things, anyway?

I don't know, but 'dark' lucid dreaming reminds me of original sin, the idea that humans are innately evil. People who kill in their lucid dreams, they still want it to happen. As realistically as possible, too.

I commend you on doing that but they aren't the same. They are completely different worlds with different rules. Physics doesn't apply in a dream. You create the rules, you decide which is right... I'm going to quote one of my favorite albums, the album open and closes with this quote, it is actually a poem and I'm taking the lines out of context but it applies here... I'll link the lyrics if you want to read them in context, it is a great album by the way.

Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight,
Red is gray and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

We decide which is right, we being society. Society says red is red. But in your head you are the society. You decide everything. If you want to call red 'green' who is to tell you that you are wrong? Sure you are wrong in this realm but not in your dreams.

The real world is like a game of soccer, you have to use your feet, if you touch the ball you get penalized. In your dream you pick up the ball you only get penalized if you want to get penalized. At first you usually do get penalized though too because society has hard wired these beliefs into your head... I'm going to quote the Matrix here, and it is corny but applicable.

I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

source for first quote: http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/moodies/mxdays.htm
the album is called Days of Future Passed and chronicles a day from when he awakes to when he falls asleep... It is a conceptual album and the first symphonic rock album ever