my teacher said that when you dream of flying it means that you to have freedom. but if you fly during a lucid dream does it mean that you want freedom?
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my teacher said that when you dream of flying it means that you to have freedom. but if you fly during a lucid dream does it mean that you want freedom?
Please rephrase your question. I don't get it. *runs away*
I think he means "that you want to have freedom".
Personally I don't believe in those explanations. Freud would have said that flying had something to do with sex. To me dreams are just warped memories mixed with randomness.
In lucid dreams however you just do what you want to do, nothing subconscious. I fly in a LD because I want to fly, not because I want to be free.
If you've got some serious problems you could try to interpret your dreams, but otherwise I'd just have some fun if I were you.
completely agree with Naginata
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Originally Posted by ellz
Hey there,
"Personally I don't believe in those explanations. Freud would have said that flying had something to do with sex"
Have you read Freud's dream interpretation? Freud would said that the meaning of your dream about flying would be known to you only, and would be very subjective. You dreaming about flying would likely have a totally different meaning then me dreaming about flying, to Freud.
Its amazing how often that poor guy gets misquoted :)
(Freud does bring up a chapter about possible dream interpretations based on culture and society, but he explicitely states that one can try these as 'hooks' in case the subjective approach gets into a complete block because of unconscious resistances, and even in that case they're more of a method to try and circumvent those blocks by offering some 'standard' interpretations and seeing how the patient reacts, rather then 'telling him what his dream means. As far as I know, more general dream interpretation where the analyst tells you what your dream is about is actually Jung's domain).
"I fly in a lucid dream because I want to fly?"
Why do you want to fly? Do you think this is not relevant somehow, that it doesn't have meaning and cannot tell you something about yourself?
:)
-Redrivertears-
Good boy, have a cookie!Quote:
Originally Posted by ellz
Bad Redrivertears, completely crushing my statement with well-researched wisdom, no cookie for you! :P
I was just using a stereotypical misquote of that "poor" (did we mention famous and respected?) guy to point out that there are many interpretations to one dream and that he shouldn't dwell on it too much, it might interfere with the joy that you get from Lucid Dreaming.
Trying to interpret your dreams on your own won't lead to anything good and interpreting LDs is even less usefull because it isn't your subconscious who decides what you do.
As for me flying: I fly because I like the sensation, the wind on my face, the speed at which everything rushes by. Or I just fly because I'll get to my goal faster (I'm not that good at changing the scenery).
I hope this clears thing up a bit :)
Heya,
No cookie for me? Awww :(
I think we often underestimate the amount of subconscious elements in a lucid dream. I mean, honestly, how much of your dream is conscious? Even if you decide to create your own dreamscene, a forest for instance, its still your subconscious that is going to shape most of it, chosing the color of the leaves, the density of the trees, the nature of the underground, the rainworm crawling in the sand, the sound of the birds. To me, even a lucid dream is 99% subconscious.
And I do think that you can learn to interpret your own dreams (and by the above even lucid dreams) and gain a lot of wisdom from it. In fact, I think the opposite, asking others 'what does my dream mean' won't really help you much. In my opinion dreams are entirely too subjective for others to be able to interpret. They don't know you... psychologically speaking, you don't even know yourself :)
Anyways, just my 2 cents, donated to the Freud-defense-fund :)
-Redrivertears-
I dont very often fly in dreams but when I do its not because I want the freedom, its because I have the freedom :)Quote:
Originally Posted by xdtimoxd
Doesn't everyone want to be free?
I think any one who is Lucid in the first place wants freedom. people who work toward becoming Lucid, generally do it because they want to experience the ultimate freedom.
YAY!Quote:
Good boy, have a cookie!
I also agree with Naginata, now can I please have my cookie? :)
Edit: Woot 200th post (i don't care if it's not much)
I practically agree with you in everything you said, but you can also take it a step further (Jungs psychology).Quote:
Originally Posted by Redrivertears
C. G. Jung started as a disciple of Freud, but eventually split from his master. He was very very knowledgable and after years and years of experiences with his patients, he realized that there is a "Collective Unconscious" that connected each and every single human on earth. For instance, a dream of a mad man could reference some very ancien myth of a lost civilization, and so on.
What Im trying to say, is that even if most dreams are subjective, there are some dreams which escape from the scope of normal dreams, and which are full of significance and explainable archetypes.
I see many people which believe nothing of this, and it saddens me because Im sure many of them haven't even bothered researching a single bit about the matter...
All wet dreams I remember were about flying but no intercourse. Is this common?Quote:
Originally Posted by Naginata
I'm not that sure about it. Even in real life, I don't think about every move, ie. I don't have to think about how to breath, walking etc. I just do it. Also people write about LDs in where they don't have control all the time.Quote:
In lucid dreams however you just do what you want to do, nothing subconscious.
Interestingly, until very recently, I didn't even remember ever walking in a dream. It is very usual for me to fly in dreams. I told a friend about it, and when WILDing just after it, in the middle of the LD I found myself walking. I was so amazed about it, that I completely forgot what I actually wanted to do and lost lucidity too.Quote:
I fly in a LD because I want to fly, not because I want to be free.
Hey, I've only just joined this forum; I've had 2 lucid dreams so far.. during both of my ld's, upon attaining lucidiy, it just automatically occurred to me to fly. I wasn't so much thinking "Ok, I'm dreaming I want to fly now", it was more like "Ok, I'm dreaming" and all of a sudden, there I am up in the air. :?