you how how you meditate to relax or before going to wild or something? and you close your eyes and look up at your 'third eye' well the way i do it is when im lying on my bed at night trying to preform a wild or obe or something, i keep my eyes open staring at one spot and meditating. its better when its not pitch black ( if you live in a city the best is a street light glow...i love that) anyways, just stare and meditate and some really weird and interesting things happen and for me i get into a deeper state. this probably isnt for you if you have problems keeping your eyes open without blinking. i dunno i have very sensitive eyes and i works for me just fine. anyways you guys should try it out and see what happens.