Thread: Wild help!!

Hi! I'm having a problem with WILD. I've been trying this technique for a month now and so far I've had sleep paralysis and hypnagogia once. The problem that always gets me from having a lucid dream is falling asleep so fast. I always think that I'm going to do it that night but I fall asleep too quickly! I try to stay focus but I just shut down. I do WBTB after 5 hours. I go to bed at 10:00 and wake up naturally at 3:00.

So questions:
How can I stay awake enough that I can go into a lucid dream?

Thank you for your replies!
-Rose

Hi, falling asleep too fast is the number 1 issue of 'failed' WILD's (number 2 is staying awake too long) I have found that you need to adjust the strength of your WILD anchor to suit how tired you are feeling. Even if you go to sleep at exactly the same time each night and wbtb at the same time etc then you will still have varying levels of tireness when going back to bed to attempt your WILD

Heres a solution that may help. My last WILD i got up after 6 hours and stayed up for 10 mins and when i went back to bed i felt tired as expected. Now I have invented a 'scale' that I use to gauge how tired I am. On my scale of 1 to 5, a '5' would mean extremely tired and a '1' would mean quite awake. Lets assume that tonight after my wbtb i am a '3' which is just right. I lay down and I will stare at the back of my eyelids and with every 3rd breath i will repeat 'i am dreaming'. I will do this until im in a dream. Now the next night lets say that i wbtb and when i lay back down I feel a '5' - really groggy and tired. Now I know that if i use the same WILD anchors as last night (eyelids and 3rd breath mantra) then i will fall asleep too quick and so the trick is to increase the intensity of the anchor to suit my level '5' tiredness. I would do this by staring at the back of my eyelids only more aggressively and will repeat a mantra EVERY breath this time. If i wbtb on a '1' then i would get into the most comfortable position possible and simply passively observe the back of my eyelids.

I hope this makes sense. To summarize its just a case of increasing or decreasing the intensity of the anchor being used. Most importantly of all is that however intense the anchor it should never be so strong as to keep you awake, the main aim of a WILD is too visit sleep but taking a pearl of awareness with you via your anchor.

If you find you are still awake after 10 mins then decrease the intensity of your anchor bit by bit until you are sliding into unconsciousness

And another thing - forget looking for sleep paralysis or hypnagogia etc, its all just noise that may or MAY NOT happen in the decent to sleep. Ive has succesful WILD's / OBE's and have never has paralysis

Good luck
Ezzo

Ezzo,

Well done, I like this idea and will implement it. I think it may be a perfect solution to the experienced troubles. I have been sleeping in a Bi-phasic pattern and I have found that after an hour of being awake I am at 2 or 3 (using your scale). Thank you for sharing!

Thanks so much for the replies! I'll definitely try that tonight!

Much thanks,
Rose

I like Ezzo's comments. What I have found that helps me as well are a couple things. This was mentioned by Xanth and Frank in their posts, so I don't take credit for the idea, but rolling your eyes up almost to straining but not quite helps relax the body. By rolling the eyes up, you are giving the body a signal that you are ready to go to sleep, and the body has no choice but respond in kind (assuming a lack of chemicals of one kind or another in your system), as the eyes rolled up is their natural position during sleep. It also gives an immediate partial disassociation from the physical; if you watch closely, you can feel it happen. Also, don't be afraid to tell your body that it is time to go to sleep, a little self talk in other words. What this does is speed the process of the body falling asleep which allows for less time that the mind has to stay focused. Once the body falls asleep, it is far less strain for you to maintain consciousness. And similar to Ezzolucid's comments, choose a focus that is not overly active; you need to do this so you don't inadvertently reactivate physical responses, waking your body's awareness up. If it is too passive, you fall asleep. Create a simple focus that has motion, but simple, repetitive motion. I use riding a bike on a gentle slope where it takes no effort. And a last note, put all your awareness into the scene, meaning engage all your senses. Do all of this in a passive manner. This will also keep you conscious while the body goes to sleep. Then be patient and let it happen. Let the WILD/OBE find it's way to you.

Have you tried FILD instead of WILD? It's the same principle but the movement of your fingers keeps you just about awake enough to enter a dream. Personally I find it very difficult to stay awake for both these techniques, so I just opt for MILD and wait for lucid dreams to come to me. But hey, what works for some won't always work for others
FILD was definitely easier for me than WILD though. And remember that sleep paralysis is not a necessary part of WILD, and it's nicer to avoid sleep paralysis in general because it really sucks haha.

good luck!

Originally Posted by pochopino

Have you tried FILD instead of WILD? It's the same principle but the movement of your fingers keeps you just about awake enough to enter a dream. Personally I find it very difficult to stay awake for both these techniques, so I just opt for MILD and wait for lucid dreams to come to me. But hey, what works for some won't always work for others
FILD was definitely easier for me than WILD though. And remember that sleep paralysis is not a necessary part of WILD, and it's nicer to avoid sleep paralysis in general because it really sucks haha.

good luck!

Yeah I have tried it and I always fell asleep too fast and one night I couldn't go back to sleep. So I'm not trying that again aha