Thread: Can you become lucid at will?

Hallucinations aside, have you ever heard of someone who can sit down, close his eyes and completely enter the *dream world* with all his senses in a couple of seconds and do this consistently without being sleep deprived? I'm thinking of:

# Agressive sleep schedule.
# Meditation.
# IF on low carb diet.

That is sleeping like from 12:00 to 04:00 to build sleep pressure then taking a nap in the evening. Now comes the meditation part: when you take the nap you don't simply try to fall asleep but exercise yourself in maintaining alertness. Putting the clock far from the bed at 5' intervals should help in letting you try this several times.

This could help in training the brain to do so. I've read than some polyphasic sleepers enter the REM state with certain ease even after switching to a monophasic schedule. I've slept five hours for two consecutive days and at midnight I could fall asleep in seconds, even on my back (I usually can't sleep in this position).

Intermitted fasting should increase your alertness. I'm experimenting a six hours window from 15:00 to 21:00 but feel really sleepy after eating. A low card diet should do the trick. Search about sleepiness and keto on the relative subreddit: site:www.namesite.com keyword1 keyword2 etc...

Hallucinations aside, have you ever heard of someone who can sit down, close his eyes and completely enter the *dream world* with all his senses in a couple of seconds and do this consistently without being sleep deprived?

Yes, narcoleptic people. Entering REM as soon as you start sleeping is not an indication of a normal sleep pattern.

I've slept five hours for two consecutive days and at midnight I could fall asleep in seconds, even on my back (I usually can't sleep in this position).

That is called sleep deprivation, and it's why you're experiencing REM rebound and lower sleep onset.

Intermitted fasting should increase your alertness.

Why do you say that

@Zoth: I'm thinking about someone healthy who can do this. Maybe advanced meditators, but the only examples I find are of people who can AP after minutes, not quite instantly.

Why do you say that?

...but feel really sleepy after eating (not immediately after though), so personal experience (I've tried IF before) and posts you can find on internet although it's not the same for everyone, so just giving a hint to who wants to try himself. Now I have to go, 00:11 here!

I have never heard of anyone being able to enter full lucid dreams at will. I can enter a inner world of visualization and control what i see and feel almost at will, but this is advanced visualization and not lucid dreaming. I can often given 15 minutes of meditation enter into weak lucid dream like states that include the sensations of a dream body and some visuals. If I take longer I can increase the vividness. However, my true lucid dreams can be amazing and vivid. These I can not have at will, and it requires timing and luck.

Originally Posted by sivason

I have never heard of anyone being able to enter full lucid dreams at will. I can enter a inner world of visualization and control what i see and feel almost at will, but this is advanced visualization and not lucid dreaming. I can often given 15 minutes of meditation enter into weak lucid dream like states that include the sensations of a dream body and some visuals. If I take longer I can increase the vividness. However, my true lucid dreams can be amazing and vivid. These I can not have at will, and it requires timing and luck.

This is how I LD actually. The inner world distracts me enough from my real life body that I can V-WILD if I hit a REM period while in this state. Honestly, I think this is the closest thing you can achieve to LDing at will, and since people have REM periods in the morning, afternoon and at night, you can pretty much LD almost whenver you want. I've also noticed that I seem to retain more of 'awake' me when I use this method rather than MILDing or DILDing.

Originally Posted by proctree

This is how I LD actually. The inner world distracts me enough from my real life body that I can V-WILD if I hit a REM period while in this state. Honestly, I think this is the closest thing you can achieve to LDing at will, and since people have REM periods in the morning, afternoon and at night, you can pretty much LD almost whenver you want. I've also noticed that I seem to retain more of 'awake' me when I use this method rather than MILDing or DILDing.

I find in the afternoon naps are a godsend to LDing. I've spent way to many hours going back to sleep to have another wasting whole afternoons lol.

Originally Posted by sivason

I have never heard of anyone being able to enter full lucid dreams at will. I can enter a inner world of visualization and control what i see and feel almost at will, but this is advanced visualization and not lucid dreaming. I can often given 15 minutes of meditation enter into weak lucid dream like states that include the sensations of a dream body and some visuals. If I take longer I can increase the vividness. However, my true lucid dreams can be amazing and vivid. These I can not have at will, and it requires timing and luck.

I've never seen "decades of personal development and LD practice" spelled as L-U-C-K before .... You can tip the scales heavily in favor of getting lucid, but it always takes effort, and it takes time and dedication to get to that point.

Originally Posted by markov

Hallucinations aside, have you ever heard of someone who can sit down, close his eyes and completely enter the *dream world* with all his senses in a couple of seconds and do this consistently without being sleep deprived? I'm thinking of:

# Agressive sleep schedule.
# Meditation.
# IF on low carb diet.

That is sleeping like from 12:00 to 04:00 to build sleep pressure then taking a nap in the evening. Now comes the meditation part: when you take the nap you don't simply try to fall asleep but exercise yourself in maintaining alertness. Putting the clock far from the bed at 5' intervals should help in letting you try this several times.

This could help in training the brain to do so. I've read than some polyphasic sleepers enter the REM state with certain ease even after switching to a monophasic schedule. I've slept five hours for two consecutive days and at midnight I could fall asleep in seconds, even on my back (I usually can't sleep in this position).

Intermitted fasting should increase your alertness. I'm experimenting a six hours window from 15:00 to 21:00 but feel really sleepy after eating. A low card diet should do the trick. Search about sleepiness and keto on the relative subreddit: site:www.namesite.com keyword1 keyword2 etc...

It's nothing special, it's a commitment you have to make. It doesn't take meditation, or a low carb diet, but an aggressive sleep schedule is paramount. From my experiance, once you learn to WILD and have a set schedule you pretty much control when you lucid dream. There are other circumstances that I can't speak for but, sometimes just hearing a specific persons voice in the other room allows me to LD immediately. If your serious and you practice a lot, you will eventually develop the skill set necessary to LD when you want.

Originally Posted by Nhuc

It's nothing special, it's a commitment you have to make. It doesn't take meditation, or a low carb diet, but an aggressive sleep schedule is paramount.

I thought about this the other day and realized the striking triviality of the following: assuming that falling asleep is easier than inducing a LD, how can you induce a WILD during the day without even being able to take a nap? About diet: slept two hours (night) and water fasted for the following forty (regular sleep the second night). The first day I felt this really clean drowsiness in late afternoon (wide awake for the rest of the day). I wish I could fall asleep like this every night.

Originally Posted by markov

I thought about this the other day and realized the striking triviality of the following: assuming that falling asleep is easier than inducing a LD, how can you induce a WILD during the day without even being able to take a nap? About diet: slept two hours (night) and water fasted for the following forty (regular sleep the second night). The first day I felt this really clean drowsiness in late afternoon (wide awake for the rest of the day). I wish I could fall asleep like this every night.

That really clean drowsiness is essentially the feeling I get before I lucid at least when I lay down specifically to have one. Using the WILD method falling asleep is most of the steps. It's about managing to stay awake while your asleep that gets people. it's all about the transitions, mostly when you are trying to stay too awake and can't fall asleep. it's all about the balance of the two states and catching yourself right on the edge.

I can do it in the morning when my alarm clock goes off and I hit snooze. It's a bit of a hit and miss situation though, and snooze timer is 10mins which means a really short lucid.

Other than that DEILD (dream chaining) is a good way to enter a lucid at will.

I can maybe in a few minutes of advanced visualization (which I can do anytime). It will become lucid dream.

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Start your polyphasic sleep schedule which will allow you to directly enter REM sleep and hopefully lucid dream whenever you take a nap.

Also, I had sleep deprived and starved myself at the same time for a few days, once. It does work, but not advised!

wow. this seems a little too in depth for me. first off: what are polyphasic and monophasic sleep schedules? also, how can you have time to develop this strange sleep pattern? don't you have a job to go to? sorry for prying, I would just love to be able to dedicate so much time towards lucid dreaming. I would say that no, I have never heard of someone that can fall asleep instantly and go into a LD because you need about 4 hours of deep sleep before hitting REM cycles, but it seems like you have that worked out somehow by taking a nap earlier in the day? Either way, I wouldn't say that there is going to be a 100% success rate ever.. because lucid dreaming isn't an exact science, one technique that works perfectly tonight may not work tomorrow. Its a very interesting idea, and I'd also like to note that If i meditate for a while each day, it definitely increases my success rate.

The polyphasic sleep schedule was designed to be awake as much as possible to increase productivity. You can find many articles and blogs on it on the net. I agree, not everyone can apply polyphasic sleep into their lives.

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Originally Posted by figurefly

The polyphasic sleep schedule was designed to be awake as much as possible to increase productivity.

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Spoiler for Disclaimer: slightly impertinent opinion:

Because at the end of our lives, we will look back and think, "I sure wish I had worked more hours!"

As for me, I love dreaming too much to ever limit my sleep. And *certainly* not in favor of being "more productive."

i see. polyphasic actually seems like it might be more healthy to a human, and also more natural. like taking a siesta mid-day. i've never looked into different types of sleep schedules like this. although i do believe that maintaining a regular sleep pattern / schedule will improve your success rate at having lucid dreams. thanks for sharing