Thread: Do Natural Born Lucid Dreamers have things in common?

My definition of a natural born lucid dreamer is just someone who gets lucid dreams without really putting much effort into making them happening. I am wondering if these natural lucid dreamers have anything in common?

Such as:
-personality (introvert/extrovert) (or personality tests such as Myers-Briggs)
-genetic markers
-positive or negative RH factor (blood types)
-sensitivity to the paranormal
-heightened senses

It might be interesting if there is a connection, if it turns out there is no connection that is fine as well. I suppose there could be more than the ones I've listed so if you think of another, then list it.

Your definition of a natural is so far off.
I still put a ton of effort into lucid dreaming, and I am a natural.

I don't know any other naturals, so I wouldn't know anything we have in common.

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

Your definition of a natural is so far off.
I still put a ton of effort into lucid dreaming, and I am a natural.

I don't know any other naturals, so I wouldn't know anything we have in common.

Why would you consider yourself natural? When I think of natural, I think of without effort. There is a girl in my school who didn't even know the phrase "lucid dreaming" yet knew she was dreaming every single dream she had and could control them perfectly, yet had never made any effort to.

Originally Posted by florodude

Why would you consider yourself natural? When I think of natural, I think of without effort. There is a girl in my school who didn't even know the phrase "lucid dreaming" yet knew she was dreaming every single dream she had and could control them perfectly, yet had never made any effort to.

I agree. Would also think of a natural ld as one which happened with little to no effort. If you have to work at it then it isn't happening naturally on its own. I put in a lot of effort towards building dream control but very little effort at gaining/maintaining lucidity. What i do is like a constant rc, I simply try to be aware all or as much of the time as possible, both while awake and carries over into sleep. I have been doing it for a long time so at this point it works like a background process and doesn't require much attention to maintain.

Initially it required much effort to get down but was worth it in the longrun to achieve near effortless near 100% lucidity. I still dreamed naturally as a child way before i had heard of lucid dreaming, but not all the time, and sometimes I would gain lucidity only to lose it later. Now it feels like maybe I can retain lucidity even through nonrem cycles even though non-rem dreams aren't usually much fun. I could be wrong about it being true nonrem but that is what it seems like.

Originally Posted by Dreamzilla

I agree. Would also think of a natural ld as one which happened with little to no effort. If you have to work at it then it isn't happening naturally on its own. I put in a lot of effort towards building dream control but very little effort at gaining/maintaining lucidity. What i do is like a constant rc, I simply try to be aware all or as much of the time as possible, both while awake and carries over into sleep. I have been doing it for a long time so at this point it works like a background process and doesn't require much attention to maintain.

Initially it required much effort to get down but was worth it in the longrun to achieve near effortless near 100% lucidity. I still dreamed naturally as a child way before i had heard of lucid dreaming, but not all the time, and sometimes I would gain lucidity only to lose it later. Now it feels like maybe I can retain lucidity even through nonrem cycles even though non-rem dreams aren't usually much fun. I could be wrong about it being true nonrem but that is what it seems like.

How long did it take you until being aware constantly became easier? I'm asking because I know many people, including myself, who are struggling with this.

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

How long did it take you until being aware constantly became easier? I'm asking because I know many people, including myself, who are struggling with this.

Well, i've experimented most my life but that particular technique took around 6months to a year(with breaks) of trial and error and regular practice to really sink in and become more second nature. It is also still being refined, i mean i am def not 100% aware of everything all the time lol.The beginning was the worst, and i would often lose focus. It really is not easy to go from being a robot set to autopilot through most of your life to being aware of as much as possible. It is like trying to reprogram your mind and how your thoughts work. Not impossible, though not easy for sure. Just as example most ppl seem to go to the bathroom in their own home, do their business n leave to go about other activities all automatically without thinking too much about operating the door, clothing, lightswitch, flush, sink, ect. When you sit down to eat a meal, do you consciously take time to observe every chew, every flavor and smell, every single bite? The boring mundane repetitive type of things seem to be the easiest ways to turn on autopilot and not even realize it.

I actually read about conscious or mindful eating in a book somewhere and ended up using in my training. I would recommend looking into it if you are trying to gain more awareness. The same concepts can be applied to things other than just eating.

It could possibly help to record things like situations most likely to engage autopilot and ways to counter issues individually as they arise, ect.

Originally Posted by florodude

Why would you consider yourself natural? When I think of natural, I think of without effort. There is a girl in my school who didn't even know the phrase "lucid dreaming" yet knew she was dreaming every single dream she had and could control them perfectly, yet had never made any effort to.

Yea that's what I would consder a natural lucid dreamer to be also. My definition of a natural has come about mainly becasue there is a phrase in the English lanuage which goes "you're a natural" This is something people say when somebody takes to learining a new skill very easily. Lets say for example someone who has never swung a golf club in their life decides to take up golfing. They buy the required equipment and take to the green. They then start playing and, unknown to them are playing very well for an absolute beginner. Now if an experienced golfer was to observe this without interfeering in any way shape or form, they would consider the person to be naturally very good at golf, ie. a natural golfer. I believe the same can be said for some lucid dreamers.

Good question, wish I knew. There is so little information on natural lucid dreaming, and the little that is, is quite vague, at least from what I've seen. And I think your definition of a natural is very accurate. I don't see how a natural lucid dreamer would have to put a lot of effort in order to get lucid. That wouldn't make them much different than your average non-lucid dreamer who also has to put a lot of effort in order to get lucid.

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

Good question, wish I knew. There is so little information on natural lucid dreaming, and the little that is, is quite vague, at least from what I've seen. And I think your definition of a natural is very accurate. I don't see how a natural lucid dreamer would have to put a lot of effort in order to get lucid. That wouldn't make them much different than your average non-lucid dreamer who also has to put a lot of effort in order to get lucid.

That is literally my entire point.

I feel like people don't understand naturals. It makes me mad seeing people talk about me like they know more about me than I do.

I put tons of effort into lucid dreaming, and I had to work to get where I am. It's my entire life style.

Don't think for one damn minute that we're better than the rest of you. We just got a head start.

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

That is literally my entire point.

I feel like people don't understand naturals. It makes me mad seeing people talk about me like they know more about me than I do.

I put tons of effort into lucid dreaming, and I had to work to get where I am. It's my entire life style.

Don't think for one damn minute that we're better than the rest of you. We just got a head start.

I agree with this. A head start is a really good way to put it. I work hard nearly every day at it, even though it started happening on its own when I was very little.

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

That is literally my entire point.

I feel like people don't understand naturals. It makes me mad seeing people talk about me like they know more about me than I do.

I put tons of effort into lucid dreaming, and I had to work to get where I am. It's my entire life style.

Don't think for one damn minute that we're better than the rest of you. We just got a head start.

??? Well what's the head start? Lucid dreams happening on their own in childhood during nightmares or something? Then having to work hard every day to get them again? And I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about what sounds logical to me about a person being a natural. There is no "official" definition of a natural lucid dreamer, but "natural lucid dreamer" is self explanatory, someone who lucid dreams naturally, without putting much effort into it.
Like I said, it just doesn't make sense to me how someone is a natural lucid dreamer if they have to work hard for it just like anyone else, that's all. Does the "natural" part only give you a small initial boost in those first ever lucid dreams?

Originally Posted by DawnEye11

Another is a person who falls asleep and intstanly realizes they are lucid dreaming plenty of times because they can't help but notice their dream signs that are right in front of them or something like that.

That is exactly what the logical definition of an actual natural lucid dreamer sounds like to me.

Originally Posted by mimihigurashi

??? Well what's the head start? Lucid dreams happening on their own in childhood during nightmares or something? Then having to work hard every day to get them again? And I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about what sounds logical to me about a person being a natural. There is no "official" definition of a natural lucid dreamer, but "natural lucid dreamer" is self explanatory, someone who lucid dreams naturally, without putting much effort into it.
Like I said, it just doesn't make sense to me how someone is a natural lucid dreamer if they have to work hard for it just like anyone else, that's all. Does the "natural" part only give you a small initial boost in those first ever lucid dreams?



That is exactly what the logical definition of an actual natural lucid dreamer sounds like to me.

People view us as gods of lucid dreaming because it comes "so easily" to us. That's so wrong.

There is more to lucid dreaming than just being able to be lucid.

You think that we are able to have full control from the start? Perfect dream recall? Perfect sense of awareness?

It's not like we were born with all this. It's not like this all happens over night.

Most of our "natural lucid dreams" are the same as others starting out. Unclear, illogical, and hardly able to remember.

Our head start is the ability to get that small bit of awareness, but I be damned if it doesn't take a lot of effort to get any further than that.

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

People view us as gods of lucid dreaming because it comes "so easily" to us. That's so wrong.

There is more to lucid dreaming than just being able to be lucid.

You think that we are able to have full control from the start? Perfect dream recall? Perfect sense of awareness?

It's not like we were born with all this. It's not like this all happens over night.

Most of our "natural lucid dreams" are the same as others starting out. Unclear, illogical, and hardly able to remember.

Our head start is the ability to get that small bit of awareness, but I be damned if it doesn't take a lot of effort to get any further than that.

Correct, let's say that from the point you once had the ability to have multiple LDs per night you can be called a natural at that point because you're very familiar with the subject and generally know what to do to induce one. That's it, we know how to do it but that doesn't mean we don't have to do anything to archieve LDs. Since school started I've had barely any time for LDing and even though I know how to have them, and I've already had a lot of succes in the past, I'm not getting any lately.

These apply to me:

-sensitivity to the paranormal
-heightened senses

I am a natural.

From what I read a natural wasn't born with lucid dreaming, they learned it at a very young age because of frequent nightmares forcing them to identify those as dreams. They kept doing this and indirectly learned how to lucid dream.

Originally Posted by LDman

From what I read a natural wasn't born with lucid dreaming, the learned it at a very young age because of frequent nightmares forcing them to identify those as dreams. They kept doing this and indirectly learned how to lucid dream.

Well, honestly it is impossible to say! I can LD since I have reason... I remember my entire life to lucid dream, whether it was for a nightmare or for doing stuff I could not do in waking life (such as riding a rollercoaster that I would not be allowed into due lack of age/height) and many other things... But I do even have memories from before I was born... so... people will think I am nuts anyway

I have always thought if it this way:
when we dream, our logic center is usually very dormant, which makes it hard for us to realize when strange things are happening in the dreams, right?
But it is not completely shut off, because most of us have had "ordinary" dreams when things get so weird that we start thinking "wtf is happening?", without necessarily becoming lucid.
And it is reasonable to assume that it is very individual how much our logic center is shut down.
So maybe the logic center of natural lucid dreamers is just enough activated to allow them to think more rationally than most other people, and thus they can more easily become lucid?

Of course, natural lucid dreamers may also have an attitude to life that affects their lucid dreaming frequency - maybe they are more curious of their surroundings or more interested in dreams in general.
In any case, they certainly have a great dream recall.

I like to think of our logic center as a muscle that we can train - and that's essentially what we are doing when we use DILD and WILD techniques.

I also had frequent night mares as a child. One day i decided to do sumthing about the monsters chasing me and faced them. Since then i was frequently and easily lucid in my dreams from a very early age.. Tho, i am also a very very sensitive person, highly intuitive and also very logical. I havent had any lucid dreams for a few years now (about 4) i think due to stress related issues and bad sleeping..(?) so when i heard there wer actually people that practice this with techniques that can help one get back to being lucid again.. i was stoked, hence i joined this group (im a newbie ) So ya, even so called 'naturals' can loose this ability and need practice to keep it up.

Originally Posted by Yuusha

I have always thought if it this way:
when we dream, our logic center is usually very dormant, which makes it hard for us to realize when strange things are happening in the dreams, right?
But it is not completely shut off, because most of us have had "ordinary" dreams when things get so weird that we start thinking "wtf is happening?", without necessarily becoming lucid.
And it is reasonable to assume that it is very individual how much our logic center is shut down.
So maybe the logic center of natural lucid dreamers is just enough activated to allow them to think more rationally than most other people, and thus they can more easily become lucid?

Of course, natural lucid dreamers may also have an attitude to life that affects their lucid dreaming frequency - maybe they are more curious of their surroundings or more interested in dreams in general.
In any case, they certainly have a great dream recall.

I like to think of our logic center as a muscle that we can train - and that's essentially what we are doing when we use DILD and WILD techniques.

It might be the case
Few months ago i somewhat managed through failed WILD to keep my logical center awake probably. When dream started it took less than five minutes to find out that i'm dreaming due to noticing all that weird stuff going on

So wouldn't the easiest way to lucid dream be forcibly engaging your logical center by wondering if everything is normal?

Originally Posted by LDman

From what I read a natural wasn't born with lucid dreaming, they learned it at a very young age because of frequent nightmares forcing them to identify those as dreams. They kept doing this and indirectly learned how to lucid dream.

In my case, early childhood horrible and recurring nightmares led to some control, which led to daymares, which led to more control both while awake and asleep, and being lucid more often than not.

Originally Posted by LDman

From what I read a natural wasn't born with lucid dreaming, they learned it at a very young age because of frequent nightmares forcing them to identify those as dreams. They kept doing this and indirectly learned how to lucid dream.

That's why I experienced just a few lucid dreams as a kid. I was having nightmares and realizing it was a dream.

I have been lucid dreaming every night for as long as I can remember, so I suppose I would be considered a natural. I did have one reoccurring nightmare as a very young child. I'm not sure exactly when that nightmare stopped or if I had any control over it stopping (if it was somehow connected to my lucid dreaming). I haven't put any effort into LD's though, just at some point every night in my dream, I realize (and sometimes tell others around me) that I'm dreaming and they're in my dream. From that point I also realize I have control over everything. Sometimes I choose to control things and sometimes I say that I'd like to see where the dream takes me without interference. However at some point I usually will interfere anyways, whether it's simply unlocking a locked door, or flying to a new destination.

I sort of agree with LDman that natural lucid dreamers weren't born with it. I say sort of because maybe there is a possibility that there is something about them that helps them pick up something that is off more frequently. But I agree for the most part because there are dream signs, including things that scare them, that help naturals notice their dreaming. If you are able to get one really good dream sign to appear more frequently in your dreams you will be able to get lucid lots of times. Well, that's what worked for me before. Now that I hardly give attention to it though I get lucid less often. Another thing that comes to mind is being able to start the dream lucid. That I feel is equally achievable if the person can apply a decent amount of focus to what they want to dream about in a relaxed manner. Like imagining where they want to be in the dream. Worked for me more when I thought about it in that way. I also believe that there are different types of natural lucid dreamers. One is a person who has the easiest way for them to get lucid but doesn't lucid dream as much because they don't apply what they did to get lucid or they forgot about it. Another is a person who falls asleep and intstanly realizes they are lucid dreaming plenty of times because they can't help but notice their dream signs that are right in front of them or something like that.

i suppose i'm a natural. i learned at a young age due to nightmares as described in earlier comments.
the following apply to me:

*sensitive to paranormal stuff (when i am choosing to believe in it)
*heightened senses - i think..? i'm not totally sure what that really means.

but also. i think something that we "naturals" might have in common is that we were all plagued with nightmares / night terrors when we were younger or possibly still have them.

also i agree that although i'm a "natural" i still put a lot of work, effort, and thought into lucid dreaming. i sort of feel goofy saying it, but it is really a whole lifestyle.

I agree with the last few comments, and also. I think one thing that we may have in common is a higher sense of awareness of our surroundings in general. I am kind of blown away at how oblivious most people seem to be of their surroundings in day to day life.