Do you ever get bored of people that don't talk about or care about lucid dreaming?

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Originally Posted by Wolfdog

It depends on how you bring up the topic. Usually, getting directly to the point of lucidity scares people off. But, if you bring it up slowly, it ends up attracting their attention. It's like you suddenly start talking about dreams in general, like how people describe some odd dream they had to their friends. This initiates the topic, and now that it's settled, you can ease in with: "Ever found yourself in a dream, knowing that you're dreaming?" that always gets them hooked. People always resonate with that experience, saying: "Yeah, that has happened to me, how odd." Then you start expanding the topic, like nightmares or SP, you know, experiences that you're sure people have experienced. After that the opportunity comes to talk about lucidity, and when you bring it up, it's always best if you appear as if you don't know much about the topic, yet show some sign of interest in it. So you say things like: "Imagine what it would be like to know that you're dreaming, wouldn't that be awesome?" or "What would you do if you were conscious in your dreams?" Questions like these that make people think and that stimulate their imagination are best when trying to get people interested in lucidity.

What matters is HOW you bring the topic of lucid dreaming to others, not lucidity itself.

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lol it feels like I'm trying to convert people when I bring it up slowly like that. lol I'm not trying to diss your low-key sales pitch but I think it's better to try something like this:

Other person: I had a weird dream last night that my girlfriend was a man.

You: That's freaking weird man. Did she have a penis? lol

Other person: No man, shut up. Don't you ever have dreams like that?

You: Yeah I do but I'm trained to do that thing from Inception so I could actually control my dream. I'd turn her into Megan Fox instead and do her.

Other person: Shut up dude.

You: Whatever man, don't hate because I can lucid dream.

Other person: Lucid dream? Wtf is that?

You: I can make anything happen in my dreams. I learned how to do this from a Buddhist monk. haha. Nah just kidding. Actually it's a lot like Inception except it's for real and scientists have been able to validate you can learn how to do it. Fortunate for me I learned the skillz easily.

Other Person: Are you serious? What is that?

You: Google it dude, it's pretty awesome. Anyone can master the skillz but no one can tell you what the Matrix is, you have to know it for yourself.

Other person: Trippy.

You: Yeah it is. While you're having dreams with she-male girlfriend I'm with Megan Fox. haha Anyhow what are your plans for tomorrow. Lets go surfing.

Well a lot of people won't react with "are you serious? what is that?" and more with "oh" and then proceed to change the subject.

As great as lucid dreaming is you just have to come to terms with the fact that not everyone can see the potential behind it. You are only making it harder on yourself if you try force it on everyone, it's easier to just pick out a few close friends or like minded people.

Like oneup mentioned only 2 out of 240 people he told decided to actively seek out help with LDing and they were his friends. It's pretty much my experience too.

Last tip is not top say "actually it's a lot like in inception except it's real and scientists have been able to validate you can learn how to do it.". It sounds like utter BS in all fairness, not to mention how terribly inception portrays LDing.
I'd go for "You know how when you were a child you could have really vivid dreams where you could sort of direct the story. Well a lucid dream is an amplified version of that. There's a fine line between almost awaking and dreaming where you become fully aware you are in the dream. With some practice you can even learn to control the dream".....some moments and questions later "Around the 80's it was proven conclusively using a brain scanner that the dreamer dreamer really is making decisions in the dream.

Then you may proceed to talk about all the kinky stuff you guys are all into :P

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Well a lot of people won't react with "are you serious? what is that?" and more with "oh" and then proceed to change the subject.

As great as lucid dreaming is you just have to come to terms with the fact that not everyone can see the potential behind it. You are only making it harder on yourself if you try force it on everyone, it's easier to just pick out a few close friends or like minded people.

Like oneup mentioned only 2 out of 240 people he told decided to actively seek out help with LDing and they were his friends. It's pretty much my experience too.

Last tip is not top say "actually it's a lot like in inception except it's real and scientists have been able to validate you can learn how to do it.". It sounds like utter BS in all fairness, not to mention how terribly inception portrays LDing.
I'd go for "You know how when you were a child you could have really vivid dreams where you could sort of direct the story. Well a lucid dream is an amplified version of that. There's a fine line between almost awaking and dreaming where you become fully aware you are in the dream. With some practice you can even learn to control the dream".....some moments and questions later "Around the 80's it was proven conclusively using a brain scanner that the dreamer dreamer really is making decisions in the dream.

Then you may proceed to talk about all the kinky stuff you guys are all into :P

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First of all, your signature made my day.

Second, you are spot on about Inception. I kinda want to make a video comparing lucid dreaming to Inception, just so people can see HOW MUCH DIFFERENT THEY REALLY ARE.

No people! You can NOT have dreams for 10 years that are actually 1 hour...

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Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

First of all, your signature made my day.

Second, you are spot on about Inception. I kinda want to make a video comparing lucid dreaming to Inception, just so people can see HOW MUCH DIFFERENT THEY REALLY ARE.

No people! You can NOT have dreams for 10 years that are actually 1 hour...

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Not a time dilation believer? :crying: but it is the alleyway with the most prospects!

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Well a lot of people won't react with "are you serious? what is that?" and more with "oh" and then proceed to change the subject.

As great as lucid dreaming is you just have to come to terms with the fact that not everyone can see the potential behind it. You are only making it harder on yourself if you try force it on everyone, it's easier to just pick out a few close friends or like minded people.

Like oneup mentioned only 2 out of 240 people he told decided to actively seek out help with LDing and they were his friends. It's pretty much my experience too.

Last tip is not top say "actually it's a lot like in inception except it's real and scientists have been able to validate you can learn how to do it.". It sounds like utter BS in all fairness, not to mention how terribly inception portrays LDing.
I'd go for "You know how when you were a child you could have really vivid dreams where you could sort of direct the story. Well a lucid dream is an amplified version of that. There's a fine line between almost awaking and dreaming where you become fully aware you are in the dream. With some practice you can even learn to control the dream".....some moments and questions later "Around the 80's it was proven conclusively using a brain scanner that the dreamer dreamer really is making decisions in the dream.

Then you may proceed to talk about all the kinky stuff you guys are all into :P

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Obviously that's not exactly how the conversation will go; I'm not psychic. It's just an improvisation to get an idea. If you tell someone you can lucid dream and they say "Oh", then I'm sorry to tell you that this is a sign that the person is NOT interested so why even bother to continue. If you were to continue you'd be like that salesperson that doesn't get the point.

I am very aware that lucid dreaming is not like the movie Inception; however, there's no denying that a lot of people loved the movie and those who usually find the movie fascinating will probably be interested in the topic of lucid dreaming in the first place. Then at that point you can clarify that it's not exactly how Christopher Nolan depicted it but that it IS possible for people to be consciously aware that they are dreaming while they are dreaming and to manipulate the environment like Leo Di Caprio did in that one scene.

Bringing up amazing movies like Inception and The Matrix will establish a comfortable level. People will be able relate to you through their love for these movies; this will establish rapport. People will be reminded how much they enjoyed those movies and how cool it was when Neo took the red pill. =-p

The whole thing about the brain scanner will have them snoozing before you finish your sentence and make them think that you're a techie nerd. Unfortunately, you have to dumb things down for newbs. If they start asking more questions and seem genuinely interested then you can start broadening your horizons and start talking about their childhood dreams and get all LaBergie on them. Your method is good for people that are already philosophical and mature. My method is for people that like football and potato chips. :laughhard:

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Originally Posted by Sensei

Not a time dilation believer? :crying: but it is the alleyway with the most prospects!

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I believe in it to a degree haha.

Inception depicts it as 10 VIVID, FULL years in an hour. It's pretty easy to disprove the layered dreaming non-sense, as we have many times here on Dreamviews.

For instance, Cobb and his wife, Mal, lived for 50 YEARS in a dream, building their own world from scratch.
They woke up to be thrown back into youth, realizing that only a few hours had passed.

I'm not saying it is impossible, but with current technology, it's not possible.

I often see people make comparisons between lucid dreaming and hallucinogenic drugs.
And on one level I can kind of understand what they are saying, I guess that if I were to tell people about fantastic dream adventures like talking to my own subconscious, visiting surreal landscapes, mixing my senses and having the general experience that everything in the dreamworld is "alive" and vibrant, then some people would probably think more about LSD than dreams.

I don't even go there as far as telling people I talk to dream characters, use supernatural powers in dreams and ask my high self questions. lol That will surely make them think I'm on something or have lost it and will probably cause them to completely find lucid dreaming pseudoscience.

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Not a time dilation believer? but it is the alleyway with the most prospects!

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Strong believer in time dilation right here!! I know its possible because A) I know oneironauts who have done it (like hukif) and B) Because I have somewhat done it myself. Sensei, a curious question for you man, have you ever dilated time successfully before? I plan on doing it in my next LD. Hukif has told me that he has been in LD's for years at a time.

starletdreamer, I love the conversation you created! I think I can really relate to that, and so can many other dudes!

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Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

I believe in it to a degree haha.

Inception depicts it as 10 VIVID, FULL years in an hour. It's pretty easy to disprove the layered dreaming non-sense, as we have many times here on Dreamviews.

For instance, Cobb and his wife, Mal, lived for 50 YEARS in a dream, building their own world from scratch.
They woke up to be thrown back into youth, realizing that only a few hours had passed.

I'm not saying it is impossible, but with current technology, it's not possible.

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I have spent... 10 hours at least down there. Vivid, aware, crazy hours. The falling asleep in a dream thing is kind of ridiculous, since you don't have a body, so you are just doing a scene change, but then again, dreamer says that she used to do that all the time and had super long lucid dreams. May have just been her sheer will that kept her down there or made her think it was longer, but none of us can really know. :P

How long did your longest aware dream last?

@ 1up
Purposefully, one time, but that was just an hour, so it might have just been a coincidence.

starletdreamer, I love the conversation you created! I think I can really relate to that, and so can many other dudes![/QUOTE]

haha thanks. I need to create a dudette conversation to be fair. Here's my shot at one, enjoy:


Other person: I had a weird dream last night that my boyfriend was a girl.

You: Omg that's so weird girl! Don't feel bad, I had a dream once that my boyfriend was my father.

Other person: How Electra complex of you!

You: It's funny you should mention that. I keep a dream journal and have learned to analyze what my dreams mean.

Other person: Really?

You: Yes. It's amazing what you can learn about yourself. It's also helped me learn to control my dreams. I know how to lucid dream.

Other person: Lucid dream? What is that?

You: Lucid dreaming is when you are in a dream but you're awake.

Other Person: That makes no sense.

You: It means you will be aware you're dreaming while dreaming. Google it. Anyone can master the skill. Scientists have proven it's a skill that anyone can achieve. It's a lot like being in the Matrix. No one can tell you what the matrix is, you have to know it yourself.

Other person: Trippy.

You: Yeah it is. It's pretty amazing. Anyhow, what are your plans for tomorrow. Are you going to the wine festival?


Hahaha, I'm ashamed that this improvised script has revealed that I'm subconsciously biased toward seeing most males as couch potatoes that play video games, eat potato chips, like football, and tend to be more afraid of intimate conversations while it seems that I see most females as sophisticated wine sippers that study psychology and are more sensitive and empathetic. lol Sorry guys!!! I will work to try and be more equal opportunity. <3 Love you all, I truly do. :-p

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Originally Posted by starletdreamer

I don't even go there as far as telling people I talk to dream characters, use supernatural powers in dreams and ask my high self questions. lol That will surely make them think I'm on something or have lost it and will probably cause them to completely find lucid dreaming pseudoscience.

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I have kind of wondered what would happen if I managed to find a unique solution to a school project or someting by asking for it in a lucid dream, and the teacher wanted to know how I did it.
I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to tell the truth!

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Originally Posted by Yuusha

I have kind of wondered what would happen if I managed to find a unique solution to a school project or someting by asking for it in a lucid dream, and the teacher wanted to know how I did it.
I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to tell the truth!

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Teachers tend to be smarter and more open minded. I'd tell my teacher I practice dream incubation and lucid dreaming and that scientists have conducted studies that show that lucid dreaming can improve performance and enhance creativity. Etc...etc...you can also bring up several inventors and writers (google) that have been able to use lucid dreaming as a method for acquiring their ideas and inventions. I'm sure that would get them interested. I think if you go straight into talking about how dream fairies and dream guides told you about your project then you'd have a concerned teacher on your hands! lol Anything but that!

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Originally Posted by Sensei

I have spent... 10 hours at least down there. Vivid, aware, crazy hours. The falling asleep in a dream thing is kind of ridiculous, since you don't have a body, so you are just doing a scene change, but then again, dreamer says that she used to do that all the time and had super long lucid dreams. May have just been her sheer will that kept her down there or made her think it was longer, but none of us can really know. :P

How long did your longest aware dream last?

@ 1up
Purposefully, one time, but that was just an hour, so it might have just been a coincidence.

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Around 2 or 3 hours, if I remember correctly. I have full details written down in one of my dream journals. Might be around in Volume II if I have to go find it. :S
I just started Volume IV, so it was a decent amount of time ago. Maybe around the time I was 13? So about 3-4 years ago.
All I know is that I never used time dilation. I only used the "rubbing hands together" method and such to stay in my dream as long as possible.

I'll have to do some serious studying on the subject. It's hard right now since it's difficult to get to sleep and stay asleep. That wont last much longer, so maybe I can do some experiments in a few weeks :D.

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Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

Around 2 or 3 hours, if I remember correctly. I have full details written down in one of my dream journals. Might be around in Volume II if I have to go find it. :S
I just started Volume IV, so it was a decent amount of time ago. Maybe around the time I was 13? So about 3-4 years ago.
All I know is that I never used time dilation. I only used the "rubbing hands together" method and such to stay in my dream as long as possible.

I'll have to do some serious studying on the subject. It's hard right now since it's difficult to get to sleep and stay asleep. That wont last much longer, so maybe I can do some experiments in a few weeks :D.

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2 or 3 hours. Nice. I love those long nights.

I usually use hands rubbing together as well! My other way is my watch. It slows down time and stabilizes me (that is what I created it for). I have tried to use it about 10 times. 7 times it wasn't there, 1 time I woke up while pressing, the other 2 times I pressed the button and had a super long dream.

Also, grabbing something from the dream world, like a leaf or something wet/cold... holding it will trigger your dream-senses somehow and prolong the dream and giving it a lot more clarity. Works like a charm for me.

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Originally Posted by ixJake

Talk about other things, lucid dreaming is great but don't make it your life

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Or make it your life if that's what makes you happy. :)

Are people superficial for only wanting to talk about gossip or material things? Probably. But, that's okay, because that is what makes them happy. If they don't get it I'd just find something else to talk about. :)

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Originally Posted by ixJake

Talk about other things, lucid dreaming is great but don't make it your life

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Making lucid dreaming my life is what makes me as happy as I am!
Having lucid dreaming as one of your main focuses in life is not a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Well a lot of people won't react with "are you serious? what is that?" and more with "oh" and then proceed to change the subject.

As great as lucid dreaming is you just have to come to terms with the fact that not everyone can see the potential behind it. You are only making it harder on yourself if you try force it on everyone, it's easier to just pick out a few close friends or like minded people.

Like oneup mentioned only 2 out of 240 people he told decided to actively seek out help with LDing and they were his friends. It's pretty much my experience too.

Last tip is not top say "actually it's a lot like in inception except it's real and scientists have been able to validate you can learn how to do it.". It sounds like utter BS in all fairness, not to mention how terribly inception portrays LDing.
I'd go for "You know how when you were a child you could have really vivid dreams where you could sort of direct the story. Well a lucid dream is an amplified version of that. There's a fine line between almost awaking and dreaming where you become fully aware you are in the dream. With some practice you can even learn to control the dream".....some moments and questions later "Around the 80's it was proven conclusively using a brain scanner that the dreamer dreamer really is making decisions in the dream.

Then you may proceed to talk about all the kinky stuff you guys are all into :P

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I personally don't really consider waking life and dreaming that different at all, the only difference in my opinion is that waking life consists of physical objects, whereas dreams are entirely made up by your own mind.
But your experience of them is exactly the same - you can be an outsider in waking life, then have a wonderful time with dream characters and socialize with them, and then actually wake up and feel a hundred times more confident about your abilities to be social with people.
That's one of many examples of how powerful and realistic dream experiences can be.

Hi There

I'm new to the forum (as of today) and this thread immediately hit a cord with me. I have been Lucid dreaming for over 15 years but I gave up talking about it because of the glazed eyed looks I kept getting (that and labelled weird). I find as we get older our circle of friends gets smaller as we become more selective of the people we want to spend time with. I just went through a major culling lately and I don't regret it. I would much rather have a few stimulating evenings of conversation with a few close friends than many evenings of fluff and nonsense with the populace.

Anyway, I look forward to discovering more of this forum.

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Originally Posted by AmicusSomniatus

Hi There

I'm new to the forum (as of today) and this thread immediately hit a cord with me. I have been Lucid dreaming for over 15 years but I gave up talking about it because of the glazed eyed looks I kept getting (that and labelled weird). I find as we get older our circle of friends gets smaller as we become more selective of the people we want to spend time with. I just went through a major culling lately and I don't regret it. I would much rather have a few stimulating evenings of conversation with a few close friends than many evenings of fluff and nonsense with the populace.

Anyway, I look forward to discovering more of this forum.

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Well welcome to the forum AmicusSomniatus! Glad to have an experienced oneironaut as yourself join us! And yeah, I really wish that people would be a bit more open minded towards new ideas, but we all think different so not expecting that haha.

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Originally Posted by OneUp

Well welcome to the forum AmicusSomniatus! Glad to have an experienced oneironaut as yourself join us! And yeah, I really wish that people would be a bit more open minded towards new ideas, but we all think different so not expecting that haha.

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Thank you for the warm welcome OneUp. I look forward to many interesting discussions here on Dreamview. I'm glad to have found a place to have stimulating conversations about my favourite topic. ;-)

Amicus

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Originally Posted by AmicusSomniatus

Thank you for the warm welcome OneUp. I look forward to many interesting discussions here on Dreamview. I'm glad to have found a place to have stimulating conversations about my favourite topic. ;-)

Amicus

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Welcome to the forum!

It's always nice finding people on here with the same interest as me.

It's weird how oneironauts have created their own culture around lucid dreaming. I find it quite beautiful.

Hope to see more from you!

Also, I agree with your view on friendship. Even as a 16 year old, I rather have a tight knit group than be friends with over a hundred people.

-Dezz

Do you think it would be a good idea to simply write about your lucid dreams on Facebook, so that other people can get an idea what lucid dreaming is like?
For example. if I write about my last night's lucid dream (which I actually did have this night, lol) where I tried to fly and how fun it was to do all kinds of things in that dream, then shouldn't that trigger at least some curiosity?

In other words, I am not trying to "encourage" them to "check out lucid dreaming", I am just sharing one of my last night's dream experiences and make it sound like I assume everybody else is also into it, like it's a normal thing.

...or will they just be like "...this dude on drugs or something"? :roll:

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Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

Welcome to the forum!

It's always nice finding people on here with the same interest as me.

It's weird how oneironauts have created their own culture around lucid dreaming. I find it quite beautiful.

Hope to see more from you!

Also, I agree with your view on friendship. Even as a 16 year old, I rather have a tight knit group than be friends with over a hundred people.

-Dezz

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Thanks for the welcome Dezz, I like you attitude. Keep that tight knit group. The few close friends I still have today are the ones I made in high school. I was an extreme extrovert back then but today I tend to lean more towards being an introvert. It’s funny how life changes you.

I discovered lucid dreaming at 33 and at that stage of life I was bursting with excitement and had to tell everyone. Some were a bit interested but most just humoured me and in the end I was labelled as weird. In my 40’s I became fascinated with the philosophical side of quantum physics, especially the nature of reality, and found this to also fit with lucid dreaming. If you think Lucid dreaming makes people’s eyes glaze over, try adding quantum physics to the mix. :lol: Anyway, I’m now 50, re-married to someone who shares the same interests as me. We are both engineers but have a fascination for this stuff and as such we enjoy reading and discussing these topics between us. We found a few people that also love the topics we like, but unfortunately we meet friends as couples and there is always one person in the couple that is not interested, so the topic dies as human nature will not allow us to leave someone out of the conversation. We tried meeting individually with those interested in the topic, but their spouses but an end to that (either jealousy, control or religious fear/ignorance. Take your pick, I’ve seen it all).

But I have not given up. My circle of friends has diminished greatly, but my wife and I are still looking people who are interested in these topics. Hopefully we will find a few, but if not, we will simply enjoy the topics between us and I will definitely enjoy this forum.

Amicus