Thread: Do Dreams Give Insight To Us?

Did you see her sad before this dream? If you had a sense she was troubled, you might have dreamt of caring for her. You know, incubated the idea of caring for her. If not, then it's just a coincidence, but that's my opinion bcz I don't believe in precognitive dreams (surveys show that more than half of the human population believe in them! I don't know if most ppl know that you can subconsciously incubate an event that happened during the day)

You know, the best lovers are often also the best friends.. Think about it, if she is pretty then why not go for it? Hang around if she needs a friend but be careful that she doesn't fall in love with you, if you don't want a relationship. This is a serious thing because if you are not clear to yourself and to her about whether you want a relationship or not, you're going to confuse her and probably hurt her feelings.

She might have been sad before, or you like her, both of these things could have induced that dream.

She's talked about scar's she's had since she was little, and I've dreamed about that before, although that was months ago. I think it comes down to me wanting to be her friend, which is why I'm having these dreams.

Damn had another dream of hanging out with her last night, every time I see her I'm going to have to do an RC, so I become lucid when I see her in my dreams. XD

I see a little romance bubblin' up

It could be a prophetic dream from God, since it came true the next day

Originally Posted by calielizabeth

It could be a prophetic dream from God, since it came true the next day

Meeeeeehhhhhhhh. That is an assumption bigger than the assumption of god if you think about it. I highly think it's because of incubation *hand weighing*

Originally Posted by LouaiB

Did you see her sad before this dream? If you had a sense she was troubled, you might have dreamt of caring for her. You know, incubated the idea of caring for her. If not, then it's just a coincidence, but that's my opinion bcz I don't believe in precognitive dreams (surveys show that more than half of the human population believe in them! I don't know if most ppl know that you can subconsciously incubate an event that happened during the day)

My close friend, who is not into new agey mumbo jumbo at all, confided in me that he dreamt of passenger planes slamming into skyscrapers a couple days before 9/11 happened. He's not the only one either, this phenomenon showed up before the Titanic sinking as well. There is a lot we don't know about this universe.

Originally Posted by tofur

My close friend, who is not into new agey mumbo jumbo at all, confided in me that he dreamt of passenger planes slamming into skyscrapers a couple days before 9/11 happened. He's not the only one either, this phenomenon showed up before the Titanic sinking as well. There is a lot we don't know about this universe.

About the titanic: it was published that this ship is unsinkable, so this incubated the dream of it sinking.

About the planes: phobia of flight is the second most common phobia, after stage fright, so you'd expect lots of dreams about plane crashes already, especially if the dreamers had flights at that time, or their loved ones.

It's clearly incubation. We may not know a lot about the universe, but I can surely tell you that we don't have antennas on our heads to receive telepathy, nor are there dream machines that give us insights to the future(also no antennas to receive the info anyways).

If you mean the supernatural, which I'm sure you do, then the imagination is wild. If it fits the bill doesn't mean it's true. I can tell you that we live in a matrix and the outer ppl are the ones that are sending these dreams. Makes sense, but is it true? Plus, It's obvious that this is due to dream incubation, especially that this mechanism of dream incubation is scientifically proven to exist strongly.

Originally Posted by LouaiB

About the titanic: it was published that this ship is unsinkable, so this incubated the dream of it sinking.

About the planes: phobia of flight is the second most common phobia, after stage fright, so you'd expect lots of dreams about plane crashes already, especially if the dreamers had flights at that time, or their loved ones.

It's clearly incubation. We may not know a lot about the universe, but I can surely tell you that we don't have antennas on our heads to receive telepathy, nor are there dream machines that give us insights to the future(also no antennas to receive the info anyways).

If you mean the supernatural, which I'm sure you do, then the imagination is wild. If it fits the bill doesn't mean it's true. I can tell you that we live in a matrix and the outer ppl are the ones that are sending these dreams. Makes sense, but is it true? Plus, It's obvious that this is due to dream incubation, especially that this mechanism of dream incubation is scientifically proven to exist strongly.

You are really stretching man. Really stretching. It's ok to say "wow, that's pretty crazy, I can't realistically explain it". My friend loves flying. And his dream was very specific, it's not like it was about a biplane crashing into a house or something. It was passenger jets into skyscrapers. Also, there was no precedent for it set in his life up till that point, meaning no passenger planes had crashed into skyscrapers. Add that into the fact that a ton of other people reported having similar dreams in the days leading up to 9/11 and it makes you think. The odds aren't in favor of it being a coincidence. Could it be? Yeah sure. but I am not a fan of people leaning on coincidence as a excuse for something when the odds aren't even close to supporting their stance.

He also mentioned that it was extremely intense/vivid, very emotional. It wasn't a normal dream that he only remembered because of what happened a couple days later, the dream was still fresh in mind when the planes hit the towers.

The statistics aren't out of favor really. Flight is the second most common phobia. A ton? US has hundreds of millions of ppl, and a ton of dreams about plane crashes into skyscrapers (which is what you would expect to happen in lots, lots of plane crash dreams (city crashes are much more likely to the subconscious than in real life)). Since flight phobia is the second most common phobia, and the plains in the dream crashed into cities (also very very common in plane crash dreams), a ton would have to be pretty much more than a million. Let's say the dreams counted only if they were a week old, you'd have around a few million in an average week, but let's say only a million, or a half(because not everyone reports it) . Yup, that pretty much shows the odds are in favor of average week of flights crashing into cities dream.

This assumes almost 5 plane crash dreams a year per person. I guess phobiacs have much more, which ways the balance. But don't forget, only a few thousand were reported at that time, so even if the statistics are much less, they still work. Plus, there's the "trigger that makes you remember the dream that you wouldn't have remembered otherwise" effect.

I'm speculating. The odds seem very fair. Plus, don't forget that telepathy or precog is a big assumption too. Occum's razor.

I'm really not trying to be pushy or rude here, I just wanted to shine the light on statistics. These are my guess though, but they have to be off by a lot for the balance to shift.

Originally Posted by LouaiB

The statistics aren't out of favor really. Flight is the second most common phobia. A ton? US has hundreds of millions of ppl, and a ton of dreams about plane crashes into skyscrapers (which is what you would expect to happen in lots, lots of plane crash dreams (city crashes are much more likely to the subconscious than in real life)). Since flight phobia is the second most common phobia, and the plains in the dream crashed into cities (also very very common in plane crash dreams), a ton would have to be pretty much more than a million. Let's say the dreams counted only if they were a week old, you'd have around a few million in an average week, but let's say only a million, or a half(because not everyone reports it) . Yup, that pretty much shows the odds are in favor of average week of flights crashing into cities dream.

This assumes almost 5 plane crash dreams a year per person. I guess phobiacs have much more, which ways the balance. But don't forget, only a few thousand were reported at that time, so even if the statistics are much less, they still work. Plus, there's the "trigger that makes you remember the dream that you wouldn't have remembered otherwise" effect.

I'm speculating. The odds seem very fair. Plus, don't forget that telepathy or precog is a big assumption too. Occum's razor.

I'm really not trying to be pushy or rude here, I just wanted to shine the light on statistics. These are my guess though, but they have to be off by a lot for the balance to shift.

I've experienced precog so I'm a bit biased there, I can't even begin to explain it (simple coincidence falls far short) but that doesn't change the fact that I experienced it. Occams razor isn't a cure all, 400 years ago it would have supported the notion that the world was flat and that the sun and the heavens revolved around the earth(because that's what our knowledge of the time supported, it was the simplest, most likely explanation given our knowledge/observation ability at the time).

What seems ridiculous and far fetched/complex/"super"-natural to a human in the present time could very easily be the opposite, totally natural, simple, and real in the ultimate reality/truth of things. Our knowledge of the universe we find ourselves in is so ridiculously rudimentary that all options must be left on the table. In 500 years we'll be getting there but will still be far short of understanding the big picture. There is a huge problem with bias in the scientific world right now, we are in a transitional period in our knowledge(moving from macro-physical to more and more non physical) and people are resisting big time and clinging to the old and familiar. Not all of them luckily, but way too many.

Back to the plane's. I don't recall ever having a plane crash dream at all, let alone planes into skyscrapers. Before 9/11 passenger planes flying into skyscrapers wasn't a "thing", it had never happened. I think a b-52 bomber flew into a skyscraper once in WW2. So no, you wouldn't expect plane phobia dreams to mostly involve planes drilling into skyscrapers, most of flight time is spent up above the clouds. I seriously seriously doubt millions of people were having dreams of that exact scenario pre 9/11. Besides, most people have zero recall of their dreams. Even when something in waking life is similar to a dream it doesn't automatically trigger recall of a dream we never recalled in the first place. The dream has to get into your memory first for that to happen, most people's memory isn't even online during dreaming, it's not like they only remember dreams for the first few minutes of waking, they don't remember any period.

In my friend specific scenario the odds weigh heavily in favor of it being a precog dream. He loves flying, wasn't even aware of precog dreams being a thing(not into new age spiritual stuff at all), it was very specific, there was no precedent set in real life (no movies had passenger planes drilling into skyscrapers, never happened in real life) very emotional/intense to the point where he didn't forget it in the time between the dream and the attack(I obviously can't speak for everyone else who claims they precog dreamt it but I'd imagine it was a similar deal for them since most people don't remember dreams), and he doesn't have a history of making stuff up/lying(I've known him for a long time so I have some authority to claim that). It's at least enough that you can't just immediately shrug it off as coincidence.

What's cool is there are apps popping up that will be able to catch precog dreams of notable events and record them before the event happens. "Shadow" is the main one, hopefully it takes off and lots of people get in the habit of recording their dreams daily.

People do experience plane crash into skyscrapers, it's because the plane crash happens as a crash into a CITY, which is a common one because ppl live in cities.

Plus these dreams then become recalled bcz of 9/11. Dreams usually don't get recalled otherwise, creating the illusion of "I dreamt this unique dream before the actual event happened!"

I'm telling you, it's unlikely that we can tell the future. Quantum Physics? Parallel universes happen simultaneously to us and not in the future.

Modern science doesn't support this, even modern quantum physics were scientists support parallel universes.

If it's religious, evidence already disproves current religions.

Precog is one answer, but I think we have advanced in psychology to see that it's more about how dreams work.

Do you notice that uncommon dreams are rarely precog? The precog are always about the dreams that happen a lot which weighs up the probability of a 'coincidence' (I wouldn't call it a coincidence if these dreams happen all the time, dreams related to our fears and our lives)

If it's precog, it's a very weird type of phenomenon that happens to dress up exactly like dream characteristics.

I keep precog in the table, but I'm very wiery of it bcz it is unnatural, physically impossible, adopted by almost all religions, and it's occurance can be explained easily using dream research and studies.