Blind when lucid

**martakartus** · 08-18-2014 11:43 AM

Some weeks ago I met the first person I know in waking life who is into lucid dreaming. Apparently, he is a natural. He has lucids every night and has been having them for years, and yet, he said something I wasn't at all expecting. He said that, whenever he gets lucid, the images of the dream fade into darkness and he can't manage to see anything. Despite this, he said he feels the dream around him, the surroundings and the people. He isn't blind in waking life and even in his non-lucids he can see the dream, it's only in his lucids that he turns blind. As it seems, it takes him a lot to manage to see anything at all, and I find it strange because he should have enough experience to be able to control it. Any thoughts?

**MisakaMikoto** · 08-18-2014 12:47 PM

Hi,

It might be just that his dreams are lacking 'Stabilization Techniques'.
This darkness might be just staying in nrem sleep while being conscious
I've readed about people expericing three-dimensional void during WILDs/DEILDs few seconds before entering a dream
And i've had kinda similiar sensations after dream destabilized before waking up fully (Three Dimensional Darkness n' Lack Of Body Sense)

I'd suggest him reading up some DreamViews Stabilization stuff:
Stabilization - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-cont...-hours-ld.html

**martakartus** · 08-18-2014 02:18 PM

Yeah, I also agree it must be a stabilisation problem, I don't get why he shouldn't be able to see. Thanks, I'll show him the threads

**NyxCC** · 08-18-2014 05:57 PM

This is actually more common than you might think. (Just be sure not to expect it to happen) It may be slightly more predominant with some wilds, but can happen also mid dream if you manage the situation and prolong afterwards, or at dream end. One thing that might help is to start expecting for the surroundings to reappear and distinguish contours in the darkness and even if blind to act as if nothing has happened using your other senses. The dream has to return at some point.

We also have a podcast on this:

http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews...-sleepers.html

**sisyphus** · 08-18-2014 05:58 PM

It seems often that people who are naturals may never have realized that lucid dreaming is special because people so rarely talk about dreaming, even less lucid dreaming. They think it's normal, so they don't necessarily put much thought or effort into it. At least until they become aware of their unusual talent. So even though they have been having lucids for years, they might not be know that there are techniques to expand control.

**martakartus** · 08-18-2014 08:54 PM

NyxCC, I didn't know it was so common as to have a podcast of its own, I thought it was strange because in general, the dream gets much more vivid once you become lucid.

Sisyphus, I agree with you, because whenever we talk about it, he's not by far as excited about it as I am and sometimes I even have the impression he's a bit scared or paranoid about it. I guess it can happen when this is all you know.