Thread: is it possible to plant idea in my subconscious?

I've heard of this idea, but cannot offer a solid answer.

There are stories of people who've talked to their subconscious through lucid dreaming for various reasons. Lucid dreaming is a powerful thing, and anything is indeed possible, so I say go for it.

That sounds more like an "Inception" myth... honestly, I'm not sure it works in real life. However, I have no proof either way, so you should give it a try. If it works, great! If it doesn't, no harm done.

Before answering, one has to ask:

If you end up changing your goal, is that a bad thing? If you're going for a goal that you don't want or are interested in, why would you force yourself to it? That will only lead disappointment and pressure.

Regarding the answer, no it's not possible, and if it was possible, it would be the worst way to do it. When goal-setting, the worst path for it's completion is leaving it in "your subconscious": you'll be much better off to keep it as constant in your life, like reminding yourself every day why you are working towards it, why you want to complete it, etc. Secondly, "intentional" unconscious seeding doesn't exist (afaik). Subliminal messages have little to no impact on the individual in most cases, and we still don't know what we are exactly dealing with when we lucid dream: your subconscious is not an identity, but more something like a group of systems that process information without you being aware of them.

If you really want to keep your motivation on becoming a guitarist high and long-lasting, then practice lucid dreams and live your own "guitarist" life in there

I can CONFIRM that this WILL work if you do it correctly.

I didn't actually "seed" an idea, but more of subconscious motivation.

I can say it did help me, but it has to be paired with conscious effort as well, obviously.

thanks mate

Originally Posted by DreamscapeGoat

I've heard of this idea, but cannot offer a solid answer.

There are stories of people who've talked to their subconscious through lucid dreaming for various reasons. Lucid dreaming is a powerful thing, and anything is indeed possible, so I say go for it.

yes it is, hope it works

Originally Posted by LucasPotter

That sounds more like an "Inception" myth... honestly, I'm not sure it works in real life. However, I have no proof either way, so you should give it a try. If it works, great! If it doesn't, no harm done.

hello mate, ya you are partially right, but have you heard ? mind is a monkey, it will change if something shows up in your way which is better than your goal, and that's end with a frustration of never achieving any of your goal, so i want to stick with my goal, and concentration not only in reality but also in dreams , so that i can twice as faster than normal to reach my destination i suppose correct me if i am wrong

Originally Posted by Zoth

Before answering, one has to ask:

If you end up changing your goal, is that a bad thing? If you're going for a goal that you don't want or are interested in, why would you force yourself to it? That will only lead disappointment and pressure.

Regarding the answer, no it's not possible, and if it was possible, it would be the worst way to do it. When goal-setting, the worst path for it's completion is leaving it in "your subconscious": you'll be much better off to keep it as constant in your life, like reminding yourself every day why you are working towards it, why you want to complete it, etc. Secondly, "intentional" unconscious seeding doesn't exist (afaik). Subliminal messages have little to no impact on the individual in most cases, and we still don't know what we are exactly dealing with when we lucid dream: your subconscious is not an identity, but more something like a group of systems that process information without you being aware of them.

If you really want to keep your motivation on becoming a guitarist high and long-lasting, then practice lucid dreams and live your own "guitarist" life in there

that's sounds awesome mate, please guide me ,looking forward to your reply

Originally Posted by SinisterDezz

I can CONFIRM that this WILL work if you do it correctly.

I didn't actually "seed" an idea, but more of subconscious motivation.

I can say it did help me, but it has to be paired with conscious effort as well, obviously.

Originally Posted by karthik

hello mate, ya you are partially right, but have you heard ? mind is a monkey, it will change if something shows up in your way which is better than your goal, and that's end with a frustration of never achieving any of your goal, so i want to stick with my goal, and concentration not only in reality but also in dreams , so that i can twice as faster than normal to reach my destination i suppose correct me if i am wrong

Honestly? You're sabotaging your efforts by trying to remove the emphasis of discipline and put it in your "mind". You are your mind, you will be the one who get's distracted by goals or tasks that seem way more appealing at some point. The ability to focus on your project is not thanks to any special secret like planting your intention in a lucid dream, but due things like the Zeigarnik effect, just to mention one. The science of productivity and habits shows even shows us that it's not a matter of goals, but more a matter of developing behavioral systems: having a goal will pressure you into not failing, dragging yourself into doing something you may find dreadful, and if you fail, you'll become disappointed. The best goal is no goal. In the other hand, by setting up systems, you will be able to determine the best way to avoid temptations that might show up in the future, developing and re-evaluating your discipline (and other possible flaws in your way), and best of all, your actions will become automatic, because the process will be no longer about reaching that goal, but simply performing consistently (in your way, keeping focused on your guitar).

Also, and this cannot be stressed enough, there's no "subconscious" in your brain. It's not like you could grab an intention and drop it there, like it was some kind of mental place, so there's no such thing as seeding something in the subconscious. People reporting it that it's possible do it without any proof: how would you even know you successfully planted something in your subconscious, if it's SUBconscious? Lucid dreaming also doesn't put you in any favored position to implement memories (much less intentions), especially because your memory is already impaired in most of them. You'll do it much better without those mysterious ideas Good luck!

So if I understand correctly you would like to seed a goal into your subconscious, because you dont want to be redirected to other things in real life than playing guitar? Why do you think that doing it like this you will be good at guitar much faster? I agree more with Zoths thinking. I dont think it is a good idea to plant it in your head. Because people change. So will you and everybody here. What if you do succeed into your goal planting, and later in life you would find something better more appealing than guitar playing and you will still play the guitar because it is in your head to do it. That will maybe make you unhappy. If you really want to be a world class guitar player.. it is in your waking life to acomplish that. It is called practice. And if you get demotivated and frustrated about practicing then you are not ment to be a world class guitar player. You are ment to be something else. I am also a guitar player, not world class, because i am not sacrificing and dedicating my whole life for guitarplaying though i will never be world class. I had similar dream when i was younger as well, but now something else is making me happy, and I dont want to be the best guitarist ever and i dont feel bad about not acomplishing my youth dreams at all. But please let me know how is your progress going.. and good luck at acomplishing your dreams!

The only thing I can suggest is hypnosis or self-hypnosis. Self-hypnosis done correctly can work wonders! It's all about achieving a deep trance state and implanting idea's on that level. Idea's can be seeded in but also weeded out, however, you should be very careful doing this alone.

There are a few people around the world who experiment with this kind of thing. Most notably the monroe institute with their hemi-sync series (although this is more for OBE's), but other people like Jose Silva, John La Tourette, Paul Scheele, James K. Van Fleet - just to name a few pioneers.

well....hmm alright mate, then at least motivation from subconscious ??

Originally Posted by Zoth

Honestly? You're sabotaging your efforts by trying to remove the emphasis of discipline and put it in your "mind". You are your mind, you will be the one who get's distracted by goals or tasks that seem way more appealing at some point. The ability to focus on your project is not thanks to any special secret like planting your intention in a lucid dream, but due things like the Zeigarnik effect, just to mention one. The science of productivity and habits shows even shows us that it's not a matter of goals, but more a matter of developing behavioral systems: having a goal will pressure you into not failing, dragging yourself into doing something you may find dreadful, and if you fail, you'll become disappointed. The best goal is no goal. In the other hand, by setting up systems, you will be able to determine the best way to avoid temptations that might show up in the future, developing and re-evaluating your discipline (and other possible flaws in your way), and best of all, your actions will become automatic, because the process will be no longer about reaching that goal, but simply performing consistently (in your way, keeping focused on your guitar).

Also, and this cannot be stressed enough, there's no "subconscious" in your brain. It's not like you could grab an intention and drop it there, like it was some kind of mental place, so there's no such thing as seeding something in the subconscious. People reporting it that it's possible do it without any proof: how would you even know you successfully planted something in your subconscious, if it's SUBconscious? Lucid dreaming also doesn't put you in any favored position to implement memories (much less intentions), especially because your memory is already impaired in most of them. You'll do it much better without those mysterious ideas Good luck!

But i really really hate that, i want to fix my goal ,please suggest me something , i want to devote my life to music

Originally Posted by wolfgarr

So if I understand correctly you would like to seed a goal into your subconscious, because you dont want to be redirected to other things in real life than playing guitar? Why do you think that doing it like this you will be good at guitar much faster? I agree more with Zoths thinking. I dont think it is a good idea to plant it in your head. Because people change. So will you and everybody here. What if you do succeed into your goal planting, and later in life you would find something better more appealing than guitar playing and you will still play the guitar because it is in your head to do it. That will maybe make you unhappy. If you really want to be a world class guitar player.. it is in your waking life to acomplish that. It is called practice. And if you get demotivated and frustrated about practicing then you are not ment to be a world class guitar player. You are ment to be something else. I am also a guitar player, not world class, because i am not sacrificing and dedicating my whole life for guitarplaying though i will never be world class. I had similar dream when i was younger as well, but now something else is making me happy, and I dont want to be the best guitarist ever and i dont feel bad about not acomplishing my youth dreams at all. But please let me know how is your progress going.. and good luck at acomplishing your dreams!

have you tried this mate?

Originally Posted by Eonnn

The only thing I can suggest is hypnosis or self-hypnosis. Self-hypnosis done correctly can work wonders! It's all about achieving a deep trance state and implanting idea's on that level. Idea's can be seeded in but also weeded out, however, you should be very careful doing this alone.

There are a few people around the world who experiment with this kind of thing. Most notably the monroe institute with their hemi-sync series (although this is more for OBE's), but other people like Jose Silva, John La Tourette, Paul Scheele, James K. Van Fleet - just to name a few pioneers.

Well, only you can answer that OP. Everyone is different. Give it a try and tell us how it goes?

yes i will, any procedure? , i dont even know how to do it, any precautions ? do's n dont's ?

Originally Posted by karthik

yes i will, any procedure? , i dont even know how to do it, any precautions ? do's n dont's ?

I think what would be better for this kind of thing is hypnosis. I don't know a lot about it though, so the only advice I can give you is the following. If you want to become good at, for example, guitar playing then keep telling yourself a mantra. They are used for LD as well. If you don't know what a mantra is: It is a phrase that bears some sort of meaning for you, that you constantly repeat to yourself. I.e. "I will practice the guitar every day" or "I will become the best guitar player ever!" and say that OVER AND OVER when you, for example, take a walk or when you cycle to the train station.

Besides that you can also meditate and repeat a mantra (I've only experience with concentration meditation though). Perhaps you can try meditating INSIDE of your lucid dream? I haven't tried that yet, but I would love to hear people's experience on this as well.

Last but not least, play guitar in your dream. Any setting, any song, anything that has to do with it. Best of luck karthik.

Mantra is a good idea, Karthik just do a search on google and research self-hypnosis. There are step by step instructions which are easy to find.

@Athylus: I meditated inside the core of the earth once it was fantastic! everytime I meditate in a dream I achieve much deeper states of being than I would IRL.

Thanks for sharing Eonnn! Sounds pretty awesome, whenever I've tried it I would wake up. There's much more room for improvement when it comes to LDing.

oh thanks lot mate, thanks for your guidance, hope it will work , and yeah that's where everything lies , i have to think my goal all the time

Originally Posted by Athylus

I think what would be better for this kind of thing is hypnosis. I don't know a lot about it though, so the only advice I can give you is the following. If you want to become good at, for example, guitar playing then keep telling yourself a mantra. They are used for LD as well. If you don't know what a mantra is: It is a phrase that bears some sort of meaning for you, that you constantly repeat to yourself. I.e. "I will practice the guitar every day" or "I will become the best guitar player ever!" and say that OVER AND OVER when you, for example, take a walk or when you cycle to the train station.

Besides that you can also meditate and repeat a mantra (I've only experience with concentration meditation though). Perhaps you can try meditating INSIDE of your lucid dream? I haven't tried that yet, but I would love to hear people's experience on this as well.

Last but not least, play guitar in your dream. Any setting, any song, anything that has to do with it. Best of luck karthik.

yes bro, i will, thanks for your reply, and are you sure about that ? i mean meditation in dreams

Originally Posted by Eonnn

Mantra is a good idea, Karthik just do a search on google and research self-hypnosis. There are step by step instructions which are easy to find.

@Athylus: I meditated inside the core of the earth once it was fantastic! everytime I meditate in a dream I achieve much deeper states of being than I would IRL.

Well the issue is complex, I would definatley say that you can plant those types of ideas in your head. To the sceptics I would point out that dreams are your subconsious so dream control is basically the manipulation of your subconsious mind what matters is the degree of controll you can have. To be honest we probably convince our subconsious of things by our thought processes via waking life all the time i know i do. I think its dangerous and would take alot of practice. The safest root would be to do this slowly sometimes you change for a reason also if I may I think it would be alot safer to just talk to dcs and your subconscious so that you could understand yourself better. I personally believe that when you have a better understanding of yourself you have a better idea of what you have to do in your waking life to change yourself in some way. Everyone has a passion but you should also be open to other possibillities as well imo excuse the bad spelling im running short on time

So basically you want to be a world class guitarist, but you are afraid that your goal may change. You shouldn't be afraid of that: if, some day, you decide you don't want to be a guitarist anymore, just forget about it.

Anyway, you can definetely achieve your goal: if you can imagine it, you can get it, simple as that.

As for the "how", look for creative visualization Very briefly (google it for more details): if you visualize yourself as already being a world class guitarist, you'll create this mental image in your mind and your brain will perceive it as real because it cannot distinguish what is imagined from what is real (otherwise we'd be always lucid in our dreams, for example). This imagine will then be transferred to your reticular activating system which will then find ways to achieve that image in the real world in a totally unconscious way. You may for example bump "accidentally" into a person who can help you in your journey while doing that

This stuff is powerful, so I really suggest trying it, I've achieved great thing with it. Bear in mind though that if you stop thinking about, this thoughts will go dormant and your reticular activating system will focus on something else, so don't worry about possible changes of mind.

Have fun with it ^^

So if you plant and Idea in you subconscious its basically not permanent as hypnosis? It requires maintnence? hmmm thats interesting. Do you know if this applies to actually talking to your sc and directly asking things? Do you also have personal exp with this? I have honestly been interested in this idea as well but have been a little afraid of it in case i change something i dont want to.