Hear my experiences and share your thoughts :-)

It has been a while since I have done an update so I figure I will give one now. I have been averaging 2 or 3 lucids a month now for about 3 months. I am really not happy with that number but neither do I have the time to do anything about it. I have been practicing a variation of the SSILD technique during that time and I really like the technique even though it has not been producing results. To be fair during that time I haven't been doing regular WBTBs so I haven't really been giving the technique a fair chance.

I feel like with every lucid I have I learn a little bit more. Like how it feels to transition and what kinds of dream control are possible. I hope that with time and more lucids I will continue to improve to the point where I am lucid multiple times per week with great stability.

One thing I am hoping to get a chance to try this month is to use a lucid to relax my body further and enter a deeper sleep. You know that feeling you get as your are coming out of the void and the dream is forming around you? I guess there are many different ways to describe this feeling but the one I am talking about is the moment when you are really trying to relax and let go of your real body and then you finally feel it slip away and it feels like it relaxes out of your consciousness. At this point I always try to engage the dream and stabilize it. But I am wondering what would happen if instead of engaging the dream if you like, lay down again in the dream, and relax yourself further, if you could put yourself into a deeper sleep and re enter a super stable, vivid, and long lucid. Maybe I am just being crazy.

To try to explain it further... I feel like I catch my lucids at the end of a REM cycle when my mind is coming back awake. Sometimes I am able to "put it back to sleep" for a second and have a short lucid. What I am talking about is starting another REM cycle but being lucid from the beginning of it which I have never managed to do. It's like when I am in a deep REM cycle my mind is to asleep for my consciousness to realize I am dreaming. I only realize I am dreaming when my mind is naturally waking up, but then I only have a moment before my body actually wakes up so my lucid is short.

Anyway, if you actually managed to read all that I would love to hear your opinion... Hope to hear from you about your experiences :-)

Hmmm....

117 views as of this post but no one has decided to share their experiences! Lame!

Maybe peeps be thinking he's crazy. Probably just another Inception loon, dream within a dream my @$$ :P

in my opinion, a dream within a dream is nothing more than a glorified scene change, with maybe a false awakening.

Hi Splodeymissile!

Thanks for the response!

I know the my first post is a very daunting wall of text but maybe check out the last two paragraphs. Maybe a dream within a dream is nothing more than a glorified scene change. But if that scene change helps me to relax further and enter a deeper REM cycle then I want that scene change!

What I really want is to figure out how to become lucid at the beginning of a REM cycle instead of at the end like I usually do when my mind is naturally waking up. I am hoping to learn how to, ride out the transition, or something, and move from being lucid at the end of one REM cycle into the beginning of another so that I can have a wicked awesome and long LD!

Have you ever done anything like that?

Edit: I should also mention that I know I have my LD's at the end of REM cycles because they never take more than 10 or 15 minutes real time before I wake up again. I want to have one through a hour and a half REM cycle!

i believe what you're attempting is a wild, perhaps combined with wbtb, which can allow you to become lucid at the onset of an rem cycle, assuming you time it right. generally speaking, 5 or 6 hours after your first cycle is the best time for this.

I guess it's worth a try. If you think it'll work for you, then it just might.

One thing I will warn you of, however, is that laying down and shutting your eyes could well make you aware of your physical body again and wake you up, out of lucidity. Just be careful in that respect. Good luck, let us know how it went!