Thread: why I will never be able to lucid dream~

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Recent events that have happened in some of my dreams that have led me to believe that I will never be able to Lucid Dream (LD). Let me first just state that I believe some progress is being made though it is only minor. Ever since I attempted to LD around 6 months ago, my dream recall has increased ten thousand fold. What use to be me only remember one dream a day (if lucky) has turned into my me being able to remember almost all of my dreams I have during sleepy sleep times. Some are very brief moments/ situations and others are grand adventures that I wish would never end. I believe I am borderline LD because when I dream.. I am looking through my own eyes of myself (in the dream) and it feels like real life. So much so that I don't think to question it. Other times however the dream is just so crazy that I KNOW that I am dreaming but I make no attempt to RC or literally do anything with gaining the recent knowledge that I am dreaming.

However it hasn't always been like that. On two different occasions I have realised I was dreaming and I have done the RC but.. I got unexpected results. On one occasion I was playing with a dog and I randomly decided to do an RC - I pinched myself and I felt pain. Yes, I felt the pain of the pinch. Once I felt it I concluded that I wasn't dreaming and it continued on. On another occasion there were 50 people walking down my street and they all looked really weird and I remember saying "what the F*** this can't be real.. I must be dreaming" It was right then that I began my RC and then.. I don't remember what happened next. Something either distracted me and I completely forgot or I just woke up (this was about a week ago so my memory isn't too clear on it)

So there you go.. pls halp? I've binaural beats and iso tones before but they don't seem to help at all. I honestly haven no idea what to do.

Well... You said that your dreams are so realistic that you don't question it, so you should provably start questioning everything.

Hukif once had the a similar problem. No RC would work for him. He would think that he was dreaming and every RC would tell him that he was awake. So he invented his own RC. The gravity RC. the basics of it is that he realized that the dreamworld was near flawless, but his body seemed to weigh too much or too little. Or objects would seem that way. He put it in his mind to memorize and keep in the back of his mind what his body felt like. When he got into a dream (after 2-3 months of constantly keeping that in his mind all day) he realized that he was dreaming and ever since then his LD rate has skyrocketed.

Good luck! I hope this story helps you like it helped me.

Sounds like you are doing great and getting close. Do not rely on just an RC but with each RC also truely analize your world. Do you remember how you got there. Does the world around you look normal. Do you feel strange? And so on.

Pinching yourself is an awful RC, because you can do that in RL, and you know to expect pain so that's what you'll get.
A good RC should be something impossible like poking your finger through your hand.
That gravity RC is an interesting idea.
Don't give up!

I agree with Artie - Pinching yourself is NOT a good RC. I recommend holding your nose closed and trying to breath through it regardless. In real life, you'll be suffocated, but in a dream the air will flow through your nose and you will know you are dreaming.

Saying that you will never have a lucid dream probably doesn't help.
No reality check works 100% of the time. It's good to have more than one, try one and then the other, and really question your reality while doing a reality check.
My favorite is trying to breath through a closed nose. Sometimes I also try to float. Tell yourself "If I am dreaming, I will be able to breath/float/whatever" This may help getting the RC to work more often.

Pinching is ridiculous. Terrible reality check.

Try counting your fingers carefully, or my favorite method - the digital watch. Read the time, look away, look back. Repeat.

Or a combination of finger counting + digital watch. In my experience, this works the best.

But pinching??? Hell no. You will feel the pinch, and very realistic also.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond and what interesting responses you gave me ! Pinching is only one of the reality checks that I do. I also inspect my body to see if everything is in order (as well as counting my fingers) I feel my clothing, hair and beard to check that it feels the way it should and I slap myself in the face really hard. @BrandonBoss; Gravity RC? Sounds cool. I don't recall seeing it in the RC tutorial section though.. and it's funny that pinching is actually in their when its clear that the general consensus is that it doesn't work. Does it have to be the gravity of myself or can I just drop something that I use on a regular basis and observe the rate of which it falls? e.g. my mouse or phone.

Last night I had some very weird dreams.. one was that I was playing world of warcraft with my friend jarrad (who hates that game) and we were going through a big raid. I was observing this from the first person though.. but it was so clearly fantasy why didn't I realise it? It is very frustrating to say the least.

Another question; What are your opinions on binaural and isotonic beats? Do they aid in LD at all? If so do you guys have any that you can suggest? and finally - I'm aware that isotonic tones don't have to be played through a headset but how loud should it be through my speak system? Should it be loud enough so I can clearly hear it or should it be a very feint background noise?

Originally Posted by moocowgoesmoo

Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond and what interesting responses you gave me ! Pinching is only one of the reality checks that I do. I also inspect my body to see if everything is in order (as well as counting my fingers) I feel my clothing, hair and beard to check that it feels the way it should and I slap myself in the face really hard.

Didn't we just tell you that pinching is the worst thing you can do as an RC? Did you even read the posts completely?

The "best" RC is a combination of two RCs. In my personal experience, the digital watch RC + finger counting = success.

Finger through palm = very unreliable (in my personal experience)

To each his own.

Originally Posted by Gills

Didn't we just tell you that pinching is the worst thing you can do as an RC? Did you even read the posts completely?

The "best" RC is a combination of two RCs. In my personal experience, the digital watch RC + finger counting = success.

Finger through palm = very unreliable (in my personal experience)

To each his own.

As you say "to each his own"

For me all techniques work fairly well, finger through palm being the best.

You are right, doing two RC's is definitely the most solid plan.

Originally Posted by Gills

Didn't we just tell you that pinching is the worst thing you can do as an RC? Did you even read the posts completely?

The "best" RC is a combination of two RCs. In my personal experience, the digital watch RC + finger counting = success.

Finger through palm = very unreliable (in my personal experience)

To each his own.

lol okay.. "Did you even read the posts completely?" The same can be said of you guy. I said that pinching is only ONE of the reality checks that I do. Which suggests that I do others as well. It is one that I use to do - I no longer do it because of the responses you guys gave me. Please read carefully what others have said before you jump to conclusions and dive down their throat.

Now I'd like to change the tone of this post by giving you all some wonderful news! I BECAME LUCID; though only for 5 or so seconds. It happened on the same night that I read the script for lucid dreaming off this thread http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...ml#post1769374. While I didn't feel any different after I read it I had a lucid dream that night so it must have worked. Anyway on to what happened: I was running from meteors (or something of that nature) and for some reason I brought my hand up to my face as I was running and began to count my fingers. I had the right amount and then all of sudden a structure appeared in front of me as I ran. This structure was double my height and I decided this was a perfect time to use the gravity RC that brandon suggested. So that's what I did - I leaped into the air and did a perfect forward flip over the object. When I landed it hit me that there was no way I could do that in real life so I put my hand in front of my face again and after counting two fingers I noticed instantly that I had more then I should (8-9). "I am dreaming.. lucid dreaming" Is what I thought.. I 100% this was a dream and I became so ecstatic I couldn't contain my excitement. I ran up to a tree, ripped of a very large branch (with ease might I add) and began to spin around. I was more happy then I had ever been in my life at this moment and then I realised it might end at any moment. I remembered reading that one of the best things to do when you first become lucid is to 'ground yourself' after spinning 3 or so times I looked down to touch the ground and focus entirely on that (so I wouldn't loose the moment). Anyway right before I touched the ground I woke up... yeaaa it sucked.

What is everyone opinion on this? Why did I wake up when I tried to touch the ground? Should I have no tried to do it? Will I be able to LD tonight or will it still be equally as hard?

binaurals and isochronics can work, but the extent differs between people. i'd imagine they'd be best as background noise. noticeable, but not intrudingly so. bit like using classical music for concentration.

Originally Posted by splodeymissile

binaurals and isochronics can work, but the extent differs between people. i'd imagine they'd be best as background noise. noticeable, but not intrudingly so. bit like using classical music for concentration.

I assumed as much yea - thanks for the response

Dammit dutchraptor you got alot of posts. You joined last year and you have 2,347 posts... and I joined 4 years ago... 424 posts.

My "first RC" is to check the dream feeling. If it "feels a lot like a dream", then it is a reality fail and I go dream time. Second one is look at hands. I don't count my fingers, I just look at my hands and they normally have something wrong with them, plain to see as soon as you look at them. Especially now that I have my dream watch.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

My "first RC" is to check the dream feeling. If it "feels a lot like a dream", then it is a reality fail and I go dream time. Second one is look at hands. I don't count my fingers, I just look at my hands and they normally have something wrong with them, plain to see as soon as you look at them. Especially now that I have my dream watch.

How exactly do you check the dream feeling?

Originally Posted by Gills

How exactly do you check the dream feeling?

It's kind of like a gut feeling that it is a dream.

Originally Posted by JoannaB

It's kind of like a gut feeling that it is a dream.

I have had that as well, but it usually isn't enough, so I have to verify using an RC.

Never rely on your "gut feeling" that something is a dream, because you might jump out the window trying to fly.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

My "first RC" is to check the dream feeling. If it "feels a lot like a dream", then it is a reality fail and I go dream time. Second one is look at hands. I don't count my fingers, I just look at my hands and they normally have something wrong with them, plain to see as soon as you look at them. Especially now that I have my dream watch.

Yes, this is much more like my own RCs. Good suggestions. Dreams do not feel the same as waking. If in your RC you really try to notice if you feel strange, then do the RC in a dream, it really is a dead give away. Also on the hand thing, I agree. I do not try to count fingers, but just really examine the hands. They are almost never rendered correctly in a dream. Something looks blurry or there are no veins and so on.

Originally Posted by JoannaB

It's kind of like a gut feeling that it is a dream.

It is kind of like a gut feeling, but I think that for me it is that the dreamworld, once noticed, is a lot more different than we normally think it is, so after a few LDs, I noticed a feeling that I have in all dreams as well as all lucids. It is impossible to explain this feeling, as I don't think that we possess the needed muscle or organ to feel it. I don't know how to describe it better than that. I think that it might be like a tangible gut feeling.

Originally Posted by Gills

I have had that as well, but it usually isn't enough, so I have to verify using an RC.

Never rely on your "gut feeling" that something is a dream, because you might jump out the window trying to fly.

I would have to disagree with it not being enough. I never just jump out of windows in my dreams, if I see a window or something that would be dangerous in waking life, I will "Fly" out of it. If I am flying, then it doesn't matter if it is waking or a dream. This feeling I trust over examining the hands. Also, I normally teleport to a location at the beginning of LDs.

Originally Posted by sivason

Yes, this is much more like my own RCs. Good suggestions. Dreams do not feel the same as waking. If in your RC you really try to notice if you feel strange, then do the RC in a dream, it really is a dead give away. Also on the hand thing, I agree. I do not try to count fingers, but just really examine the hands. They are almost never rendered correctly in a dream. Something looks blurry or there are no veins and so on.

Thanks. I am glad to see someone else has a similar experience.

When you get into a tight place and everything goes against you, till it seems as though you could not hang on a minute longer, never give up then, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn.... DON'T GIVE UP!!!!!!

It's a great thing that your recall is so good, and the amount of clarity and realism you have in your dreams is great as well. Don't let that stop you, take the others' advice into account and just keep on trying! Don't be demotivated by a lack of visible progress, because every night you make just a little bit of progress towards having a Lucid Dream.

One thing that I'll suggest that I haven't seen yet is to maybe give WILD a shot. It's when you fall asleep straight into the dream, and you are already lucid. It obviously takes practice, as with everything, but it may be what's right for you. Have a look at Sageous' WILD Class for more info. Good luck, and keep us all updated!

I'd imagine it was sheer excitement. If you're too excited, stabilization and grounding won't work or, at least, will only delay the inevitable. If you're able to control your excitement, it can work wonders, though. Anyways, lucid dreams tend to get easier the more you have them. Its entirely possible to have another tonight. Good luck with your next one.

Originally Posted by splodeymissile

I'd imagine it was sheer excitement. If you're too excited, stabilization and grounding won't work or, at least, will only delay the inevitable. If you're able to control your excitement, it can work wonders, though. Anyways, lucid dreams tend to get easier the more you have them. Its entirely possible to have another tonight. Good luck with your next one.

wise words. do you think I had an LD because of the scripture I read ? I'm thinking I should read it again before be tonight as well.

Not exclusively from the scripture, but it definitely helped. Based on that, I'd certainly give it another read, but don't completely rely on it.