DMT and dreaming

**dooley** · 08-16-2005 06:38 AM

HI all im new to lucid dreaming but , i began showing alot more interest in my dreams after i tried a drug called DMT ,im not really a drug user of any sort but a freind of mine suggested i try it . the affects last no longer then ten minutes but its an itence state of dreaming and increadible visions and definately like an OBE. it was as if my mind was pulled from my head and shown to me in its extreamly raw form which its too unimaginable to comprehend. after taking this i did some online research into the matter and i came across a book call "DMT the spirit molecule" written by doctor Rick Strassman. according to him DMT occurs naturaly in our brain in the pineal gland and is responsible for dreaming and our OBE like states. it suggest a very spiritual connection from dreams for example in some hindu cultures they belive the pineal gland to be the seat of the human soul and the interesting fact about this is that when we are born and when we die or have a near death experiance, the pineal gland pumps our brain with DMT. knowing this , those with spirtual belifes certainly would come to some sort of a conclusion that DMT may be like a gate for our soul to enter or leave our body. that being said DMT is also released while dreaming and my also explain how some dreams can be very much like an OEB. DMT is found naturaly in many plants arround the would such as maidens wattle in australia and has been extracted and used by many amazonian indians in shamanistic rituals for many thousands of years. in can be taken in a many number of ways but the most common is smoked. however using DMT will most likely not help you achive lcidity in your dreams but fro any one who would be interested in looking into their minds from a consious state id recommend trying it however its extreamly hard to come across and is an illegal substance in most countries including the usa , uk , canada , and australia so this need to be considered befor trying to obtain or use this drug. for anyone interested in how your mind works or would like an insite into the chemisty behind dreamsand our minds, do some research on DMT on the net or get a copy of " DMT the spirit melecule" by dr rick strassman. knowing how your mind works may assist your abillity to achive lucidity in dreams.

**themindsi** · 08-16-2005 06:43 AM

Just making note to come back to this thread, I have much to say!

**dooley** · 08-16-2005 06:53 AM

ok man please anyone with more info on DMT please post here

**Universal Mind** · 08-17-2005 12:49 AM

I left a post about DMT in June. If you check the other pages in this forum, you should find it. It is titled "DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) v. Lucid Dreaming.' In that thread, I talked about how DMT apparently induces lucid dreams and got other people's opinions on whether it is even worth doing if you are into lucid dreaming. I ordered some ayahuasca vine before I started that thread, but I never ordered the Syrian Rue or chacruna or other DMT carrier that has to be mixed with it. I decided that the ayahuasca experience, which is a 4 to 8 hour experience instead of the 10 minute smoked DMT version, could turn into an experience in Hell (very common) and that I didn't want to do it. If I had had some smokable DMT crystals, I am sure I would have done it. I am sober as a preacher's wife at a country club luncheon now, so I probably won't end up doing it. I really don't see what DMT can do that lucid dreaming mastery can't.

**Etrain** · 08-17-2005 07:42 AM

DMT's such a strong pyschedelic. Don't use it unless you're experienced with others before-hand (e.g. Lsd, mushrooms, ketamine). DMT will seriously fuck with you, especially if you have no hallucinogenic drug-use background. Be careful...

On a side note: It is an amazing substance.

**dooley** · 08-17-2005 09:36 AM

in reply to the last post
i had tried dmt and never had mushrooms or acid

this in mind you are right its actualy the most powerfull psycadellic known to man
so the the decision to that this drug should not be taken lightly

and it probly wont help with lucid dreaming either but it will definately give you insite into you rown mind

**jay dawg** · 08-17-2005 10:40 AM

Originally posted by dooley
in reply to the last post *
i had tried dmt and never had mushrooms or acid

this in mind you are right its actualy the most powerfull psycadellic known to man
so the the decision to that this drug should not be taken lightly

and it probly wont help with lucid dreaming either but it will definately give you insite into you rown mind

hard to post while on DMT yes? j/k
man im jelous of how evolved your mind must be now from using it. since i got back on the herbage this week, i find myself doing more serious RCs. since ive had some lucids i know what it feels like to dream. so its like i feel that way all the time now. confusing!

**dooley** · 08-17-2005 07:12 PM

ok i read the june post about DMT

to clear all the critics minds ( specialy for those who havent tried it ) DMT was in no way a horrific experiance . one of the posts said it was kinda like a rollercoaster where as its really intence but when you get off you on such a high over what just happend. i think that hits the nail on the head i remember relating my first trip exactly like that.
i did DMT probly 20 times after the first time i did it . and nearly every time i did it i came out of it feeling as though id just been shown the answer to the universe. many times i have done it i had flash backs of dreams i had when i was mayby 8 years old or recent dreams i had just had and its feels as though someone out there is teasing you with the meaning of the universe but you never quite get there.
i gave DMT to to several freinds ( i bought a gram of it after first trying it which will probly set any one back up to 300 dollars in australia but you get plenty of useage out of a gram cos the dosage is so low) and 3 of them said they diddent even feel anything from it . but the rest all said they would highly recomend it to any one. smokeable DMT only has about a 10 minute affect so if the experiance becomes too intence for somone they only have to sit it out for a short time untill its over. As for it being a problemactic drug as far as addictions goes , DMT will probly have little affect at all on you for about 12 hours after trying it once so you cant just keep smoking to keep up the high up because its as if you brain maybe is only receptive too a certain amount and wont let you have any more .i can only think of one experiance i had that was maybe a little too intence but i found that sitting there and taking deep breaths and and keeping calm helped me through it and it was ok after about 5 mins. 5meo DMT ( taken oraly) however is alot longer but probly only half as affective as crystal DMT .
i very strongly doubt any one has ever died from this drug (dispite what one of the posters said) id feel much safer doing this then LSD or Shrooms any day . after all DMT is naturaly in our body and your lucid dreams are souly based on DMT. to get the real facts about DMT you must read DMT the spirit melecule by Dr Rick Strassman ( google that name). i havent used DMT since running out of the gram that i bought and i doubt i will again because it its so hard to come accross the pure crystal form but if i do ill pay whatever it costs to get some and ill be showing it to even more friends.
so from me i recomend it but its a persons choice and if your happy with lucid draming ( which i have now down has the potential to be as increadible as DMT) then you may feel no need to try it however its certainly a different perspective on your mind .

**Etrain** · 08-17-2005 07:25 PM

^^I didn't read all of that, but just so everybody does have warning...take heed in what I say. Finding people who use DMT that frequently is a rarity. I'm a knowledgable substance user and I will tell anybody whom possesses interest in the subject; DO NOT use DMT unless you have experience with other pyschedelics. It's very possible to cause pyschological impairment. At LEAST be aware of the risks you take when using it.

**dooley** · 08-17-2005 09:39 PM

you know your probly right . DMT is probly not for inexperianced psyc users or maybe even experianced ones for that matter and users really need to consider that not alot is known about the side effects of this drug. allthough there apears to be none dont ever think that its harmless.

even if no one here is interested in using the drug everyone needs to read Dr strassmans book to see how natural DMT in the body is the raw fuel for our dreams.

**Seeker** · 08-17-2005 09:50 PM

All I'll add to this topic is please be careful with DMT as you should when using any drug.

You guys can discuss this, but please allow me a little legal protection:

Disclaimer. The management of Dream Views does not condone the use of any chemical or herbal substance for the induction of lucid dreams and is not responsible for any injury that might result from the use of any substance discussed on this forum.

**jay dawg** · 08-18-2005 03:26 AM

Originally posted by dooley
you know your probly right . DMT is probly not for inexperianced psyc users or maybe even experianced ones for that matter and users really need to consider that not alot is known about the side effects of this drug. allthough there apears to be none dont ever think that its harmless.

even if no one here is interested in using the drug everyone needs to read Dr strassmans book to see how natural DMT in the body is the raw fuel for our dreams.

so if DMT is naturally released in the body when dreaming, do u pretty much feel like your in a dream while on it? are u basically too high to do RCs?

**dooley** · 08-18-2005 03:45 AM

its similar to dreaming for me but for some people they cant see the similaritys.

but the first time certainly wassent like dreaming.
its pretty much impossible to describe the affects accurately

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