Lucid dreams in the bible

**Lucidpotential** · 01-31-2013 07:50 PM

oops I might have posted this twice.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

I do like the idea that anything in the Bible can be done in a dream, especially the miracles that Jesus did. Maybe you should read the bible and get some ideas on what you can do in an LD? I have only done a few things from it so far, but I plan on checking out more.

The problem with that is that Jesus didn't write any part of the Bible (technically). The parts about him were written by 3 eye witnesses (matthew, mark, and john) and one account was written by luke who went about it like a detective, making sure that everything had at least 2 witnesses before writing it (Jewish law for witnesses). So it couldn't be. Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions.

I do a lot of research for my own writing, but the bible is a looooong book to start looking through and I would like to avoid the 'angry god' religious parts. Does anyone know where in the bible the lucid dreams are?

**Fugue** · 02-01-2013 12:44 AM

the bible's horseradish

you're better of practicing your kamehameha technique

**Sensei** · 02-01-2013 01:07 AM

I already posted my opinion in my other thread.

not in the bible, but dreams are always looked on as a good thing.

Fugue, if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. Basic human courtesy. You don't need to respond to threads that are not interesting to you.

Also, what does your avatar mean? Is it Japanese like your sig?

**TwoCrystalCups** · 02-01-2013 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Lucidpotential

oops I might have posted this twice.

I do a lot of research for my own writing, but the bible is a looooong book to start looking through and I would like to avoid the 'angry god' religious parts. Does anyone know where in the bible the lucid dreams are?

Old testament, about Joseph and his brothers. Don't know exactly which verse and chapter, but i suggest you also to watch a tv movie called Joseph Joseph (TV 1995

enjoy the movie>JOSEPH - YouTube

**Sensei** · 02-01-2013 01:34 AM

Genesis 37:5-11 nothing about him being lucid. He just had a dream that he "wanted to tell his brothers"

**Lucidpotential** · 02-01-2013 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by hathor28

Old testament, about Joseph and his brothers. Don't know exactly which verse and chapter, but i suggest you also to watch a tv movie called Joseph Joseph (TV 1995

enjoy the movie>JOSEPH - YouTube

I just thought of another one ... (I went to church years ago and remember some stuff) Jacobs ladder. That had to be a Lucid dream. Or at least who ever wrote about it might have been having having a lucid dream.

**Sensei** · 02-01-2013 02:11 AM

Genesis 28:10-14

Doesn't mention anything about him being aware he was dreaming. As I said though, dreams are generally a good thing in the bible.

**Hawaiian Eskimo** · 02-01-2013 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

Also, what does your avatar mean? Is it Japanese like your sig?

Means "dream", pronounced "yume". Just because this thread needs to be derailed further.

**Zoth** · 02-01-2013 02:29 AM

Let's avoid starting religious arguments here, the topic is about the bible

I found this topic, according to it it says that no references to lucid dreaming exist in the bible. Interesting enough, it also appears that lucid dreaming is forbidden by god's word, but when I read the passage I see nothing that relates to lucid dreaming, so, nothing that really invalidates it in the eyes of the christian god.

I'm an atheist, but we should really make one topic to find references to lucid dreaming in religious/spiritual scriptures, sounds really interesting! Sageous mentioned a "Tibetan book of the dead" a few times, guess it's time to take a look ^^

edit: while trying not to go off-topic, this is a great link: a theory for the appearances of angels that are related in the bible: lucid dreams!

**Lucidpotential** · 02-01-2013 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by zoth00

Let's avoid starting religious arguments here, the topic is about the bible

I'm an atheist, but we should really make one topic to find references to lucid dreaming in religious/spiritual scriptures, sounds really interesting! Sageous mentioned a "Tibetan book of the dead" a few times, guess it's time to take a look ^^

Great Idea ... There could be even older references to lucid dreaming to be found in other religious books. If you find anything please let me know.

**Darkmatters** · 02-01-2013 02:38 AM

Somehwere in the depths of DV there's an old thread where people discussed the possibility of visions etc in the Bible being lucid dreams.

Also - had to do an RC - seriously, a Hawaiian Eskimo who knows Japanese.. ?

**Lucidpotential** · 02-01-2013 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Somehwere in the depths of DV there's an old thread where people discussed the possibility of visions etc in the Bible being lucid dreams.

Also - had to do an RC - seriously, a Hawaiian Eskimo who knows Japanese.. ?

Any chance of finding that thread?

**Darkmatters** · 02-01-2013 02:52 AM

Lol - are you asking if it can be found (feel free to do a search!) - or asking me to dig it up?

Let me bust out that shovel - I know it's around here somewhere. Ill post here if I find it. Just promise me you won't necro it, ok?

** Edit:

Ok, here we go: http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-drea...aily-mail.html

I agree with the person who wonders why they'd be considered lucid dreams - did the people know they were dreams at the time? Seem more like non-lucids to me, though admittedly I don't know the Bible very well. Possibly some FAs.

I mean yeah, the people in the study went lucid in order to try to recreate the visitations, but that doesn't mean the originals (assuming they're true accounts) were in any way lucid.

**TwoCrystalCups** · 02-01-2013 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Lucidpotential

I just thought of another one ... (I went to church years ago and remember some stuff) Jacobs ladder. That had to be a Lucid dream. Or at least who ever wrote about it might have been having having a lucid dream.

Maybe, but i just gave out a great story about a man who lucid dreams and becomes a future predictor through his dreams. I thought this post was a question about where in the bible, was about lucid dreaming?

**Sensei** · 02-01-2013 04:36 AM

Yeah. People say that lucid dreaming is somehow connected with sorcery.

yeah, it does seem like those dreams are completely vivid, maybe even lucid.

But basic rules of theology. What was the original author meaning to the original recipient? Don't do sorcery, which in that day was talking to spirits such as demons and things like that. Don't try and talk to the dead, which is mediums.

Neither of those things are dreaming related. People taking verses out of context is why we have so many denominations and such. :/

And yeah, Hathor, Joseph does a lot with dreams in his life. He is pretty awesome in my book.

Joseph was a great man of God and a great leader of anything (houses, jails, Egypt)

At dream Eskimo and fugue. That is pretty cool. I love Japanese. I need to get better at it though.

**Fugue** · 02-01-2013 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

I already posted my opinion in my other thread.

not in the bible, but dreams are always looked on as a good thing.

Fugue, if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. Basic human courtesy. You don't need to respond to threads that are not interesting to you.

Also, what does your avatar mean? Is it Japanese like your sig?

that's like if i said i was offended when you said you believe in god. i believe it's all codswallop because i depend on evidence for my beliefs. you accept tradition and faith as your foundation. your superstition doesn't protect you from my freedom of speech.

and yes it is Japanese. it's read "yume", meaning "dream." sort of cliche haha, but it's one of my favorite kanji to write and it fits.

you should look up the meaning of my sig too.

EDIT: sorry, replied on my phone so i didn't read the whole thread. i'll excuse myself because i don't really have anything to say about the bible.

@brandonboss: off-topic, so feel free to respond by pm if it's preferred, but if you're studying Japanese and want help or just practice i can help.

**Darkmatters** · 02-01-2013 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Fugue

that's like if i said i was offended when you said you believe in god.

Not really. He didn't say he was offended by your putting down Christianity, it sounded more like he's just asking for basic forum etiquette - if you make a post that's completely off topic and fails to contribue to the thread then it actually is pretty rude, especially if it's only point is to call the subject of the thread horseradish. Which is why I'm deleting my followup post - I thought it was funny, but it failed to contribute to the thread in any way and was fairly insulting to believers. I need to learn to contain my anti-theistic witticisms to the appropriate threads (sorry for that guys).

**Fugue** · 02-01-2013 08:04 AM

perhaps. maybe you're the more restrained of us.

**Lucidpotential** · 02-01-2013 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Lol - are you asking if it can be found (feel free to do a search!) - or asking me to dig it up?

Let me bust out that shovel - I know it's around here somewhere. Ill post here if I find it. Just promise me you won't necro it, ok?

** Edit:

Ok, here we go: http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-drea...aily-mail.html

I agree with the person who wonders why they'd be considered lucid dreams - did the people know they were dreams at the time? Seem more like non-lucids to me, though admittedly I don't know the Bible very well. Possibly some FAs.

I mean yeah, the people in the study went lucid in order to try to recreate the visitations, but that doesn't mean the originals (assuming they're true accounts) were in any way lucid.

Thanks so much for digging that up for me. interesting.

(Fugue, Darkmatters) I liked the humor, made LOL. It's a good idea to keep it light when the subject might be heavy for some people.