Thread: Im in Unreality...wut

A few nights ago, I woke up and stared at my ceiling.
There was no reason, no thoughts, nothing. Just pure *void*. The only other time I had this feeling was my first LD, the instant before me sleeping

As I watched the roof, the detail changed with out changing. The best way to describe it is it got more *ceiling-y*.

I fell asleep straight after. When I awoke I was dizzy as hell (assuming hell is really dizzy), so much so that I nearly fell over. I got ready for work and about 10 minutes after waking, I realized things were different, just like the ceiling.

The path way was more structured.
The grass was greener and sharper.
Every entity in life was higher detailed, higher focus, almost outlined and generally better looking.
Textures were also more detailed.

Instead of seeing through my eyes, I was looking from behind them.
I was hearing the world from about 6 millimetres inside my ears, closer to my temples.
My vision range was much larger than usual, I saw more in the extremities of my vision than ever before.
The only thing that didn't change was taste, although I did taste banana on the roof of my mouth.

I also have been thinking really clearly, usually I have a few unguided thoughts in my head.

After reality checking many times, all failing, I started to panic, to worry about my existence, my mental health and the world.
Why?
Because NOTHING felt real.

My mother put it down to heightened awareness and said it will stop soon...That was a week ago.

It has lessened and I have gotten used to it but I am still uneasy about it. Yet in a strange way I enjoy it, more feeling than I am used to. For e.g. I can feel individual pores sweating, I can feel small cuts heal (I often get injured at work) and most interestingly, I can feel the infection in my toe. I have had it for 7 years and never felt it!

Does any body know what the heck is happening?!?!

It feels like life is a dream


Have to reply since It won't let me edit

Life is a dream, and you are on your to waking up.

Once Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a fluttering butterfly. What fun he had, doing as he pleased! He did not know he was Zhou. Suddenly he woke up and found himself to be Zhou. He did not know whether Zhou had dreamed he was a butterfly or a butterfly had dreamed he was Zhou. Between Zhou and the butterfly there must be some distinction. This is what is meant by the transformation of things.

Here is a website with simple instructions that will help you: kennethfolkdharma . wetpaint . com

By becoming more and more aware of the subtle world (dream world) you are also becoming more and more aware of the waking world. Really you are becoming more and more aware of your mind... because where else is the waking and dreaming world taking place?

The bottom line is something feeling real is all in your head. If you decide that you want it to feel real again, it can.

If you really don't feel good, talk to your doctor. It might be embarrassing or whatever but it could help.

Exercise and talk therapy is also really helpful. Get more exercise.

Omar:

"kennethfolkdharma . wetpaint . com"
gear 1-3 is the only thing I don't do/have become aware of.
I don't understand 3-6 though could you explain. It says to "6) Surrender entirely. This moment is as it is, with or without your participation. This does not mean that you must be passive. Surrender also to activity."

If it means the world *is* and I can't do much about it, so deal with it (though alot less hostile then the way I put it) then I am already there...
I have a piece of cloth the says
"
Faith
(*some asian language symbols* (slanted T next to a box with = and a line then a dot above it---------' and a smiley) two symbols as it looks)
If you can solve your problem, then what is the need of worrying.
If you cannot solve it, then what is the use of worrying?...
""

I have already become aware the waking world is being processed inside my head, I have for a few years now. It didn't feel any different other than *feeling* thoughts.

As for becoming aware of the dream world:
Can you tell my subconscious that?
It hasn't been letting me in on it.

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Neuralswarm:

"The bottom line is something feeling real is all in your head. "
True

"If you decide that you want it to feel real again, it can."
False...at least for me

The feeling of unreality has eased but every thing is still different to what it was.
I am not comfortable but I am accepting of this, if that is the right word.
I am, in a weird way, enjoying the new sensory input. Kinda like when you stub your toe and it hurts, but then adrenaline and co overpower the pain.

Masochist or not doctors have already said I am crazy, unstable, *long pause* interesting, etc etc etc but they said I don't need medication because I function enough and I am not a risk to anyone.
Hell, in high school my councilor threw his hands into the air and said "I give up...you're mental!".... Massive confidence booster


Why exercise?
I run to work and do manual labor by the way. Does that count?

hmm....... you should try DMT.

It sounds like more awareness. Do you have ADD? Do you not normally sleep enough?

I always thought that I had ADD, but didn't really care since I was getting past it as I got older and knew that I would be stronger for it. BUT! this summer I started LDing and sleeping 8 hours a night (I used to get about 3 or 4 on a good night).

After I started sleeping great I found out that I can think about a three times faster and more directed. I found a study that said that if you don't sleep enough then more parts of your brain will activate when you are trying to think and it will cause you to lose focus and take a longer time to come up with an answer than someone with enough sleep (I have more info if needed).

As soon as I started sleeping enough and getting LDs I felt like I could control my entirety. I have always been a quick learner, but this was like almost faster thinking than I thought possible. I run and fight a lot in my work and have always been an extremely active person, so I got used to this pretty quickly. Dunno if it is the same thing, but it seems like I am more and less connected to my body at the same time.

OH! I also heard that most tiredness is caused by dehydration. So I also started drinking lots of water. Twice as much as average because of my work. I think that this also helped my quick thinking and more awareness.

Michael

hmm....... you should try DMT.

Heh, I dont need drugs to flip out

I already hallucinate daily without them.

BrandonBoss

It sounds like more awareness. Do you have ADD? Do you not normally sleep enough?

It is but it feels like something else. Not that I am aware of, I have an IQ of 150 if that matters. Probably not enough.

...it seems like I am more and less connected to my body at the same time.

Not the same feeling as me... for me it is a greater strength and detail of feeling but mainly the world is different. More colourful, detailed, I can feel my surroundings to the extent that I can shut my eyes and walk around a cluttered house. F*** YEAH! BAT MODE!

In Primary school I was thought to be retarded...they organized an IQ test, I got kicked in the head by a horse then I did the test. approx 150 at the age of 11. People have also speculated that I had ADD but I was never tested.

You're probably on some kind of medication. If you say no I won't believe you.

Yeah, I would recommend LDing instead of drugs.

I won't say my IQ. It only seems to represent how mathematical your brain is, and doesn't work with much else. Because of this a lot of my friends would seemingly have an immensely lower IQ than me and they are just as smart even smarter. Did you not ever pay attention to the world around you before this?

no need to be so judgmental cmind

it sounds like you are practicing Guru Maharaji's Knowlege. These things.happened to me back in 1973 afier meditation but I took ot for granted bevause we Divine.Light Missioners had Satsang every night and all of us (in Cairns, Australia were having the same sort of experiensec ( without drugs).

As a result we "Premies" were sure that Gutu Maharaji (then aged 15) was bringing Peace to the whole world via his (experiential) Knowledge.

cmind

You're probably on some kind of medication. If you say no I won't believe you.

I am not on medication. Deal with it.

BrandonBoss

I won't say my IQ. It only seems to represent how mathematical your brain is, and doesn't work with much else. Because of this a lot of my friends would seemingly have an immensely lower IQ than me and they are just as smart even smarter.

I agree completely. At TAFE most people are far more mechanically minded (i.e. Useful in metal fabrication) than me but in the theory room I was the second highest in the class. I also got started on the jobs we were making faster than others but fell behind when manufacturing them.

It also measures speed of sorts and as such is usually linked to ADD in some way. (Thinking so fast you skip beats, lose track/focus)

Did you not ever pay attention to the world around you before this?

Of course I did. I love watching plants and animals react with the world, and love the effects of the sky (Sun sets, rises, storms, stars etc etc).
And I was fascinated by fires as a child, still intrigued now.

When I watched these things I saw them...Now I feel them...kinda. It is impossible to explain fully

I would say, you were... enlightened. And I mean it.

Wow, I wish I was like that. I feel like I have lower than usual awareness of the world and have feelings of unreality. I looked it up on google and found depersonalization/derealization. So maybe, what if you had DP/DR before and now that you don't have it anymore, everything semms more detailed or something. Probably not, lol just an idea.

Either watch this entire video or skip to around 45:25 for exactly this subject.

I also typed it out for people who would rather read than listen.

Interviewer: I have an experience that I recently had that I've never had before that supports the holographic model, and one could call it a lucid dream. I came out of the dream and it was the first time I ever, uh, in coming into waking, thought that I was coming into a dream, and leaving the waking reality. The dream was so powerful, in other words, that it took a couple minutes to re-orient and realize that I was in waking reality, in other words I thought I was dreaming, and the dream had been waking.

Talbot: So the dream was in a sense more potent than everyday reality so this seemed like a lesser, a paler? comparison.

Interviewer: Exactly, exactly. What's the dream and what's real?

Talbot: Right. Well I think that's interesting because I talk a lot about near death experiences because another thing that the holographic idea suggest is there isn't necessarily just one reality — there are all different levels of reality. And I think near death research, and indeed, the entire mystical tradition has told us this is so. That this is all just one channel on a cosmic television set that we're inhabiting here. And one thing that comes through loud and clear when people have NDE where their heart stops or are declared clinically dead and they experience some of these other levels of reality. They always come back saying that they are more real than this reality, they're more vivid, they're more rich with information, and I think part of the reason we're in physical life, that we're incarnate to learn here, is that we're not yet ready for some of the intensity of some of these other levels, that we're learning. It's like a child who's reading a primer is not yet ready for Dickens or Dostoevsky or whatever. We're not ready for that density of information, so we're learning... we're getting our sea legs, so to speak. You mentioned Helen Wambach. Wambach always said that she thought being in this life was kind of like walking in a swamp up to your waist — that we were re here and it was really tough going — but the leg muscles that you developed in doing that, once you left this level and went to another level, you had all sorts of capabilities 'cause you really developed these powerful leg muscles, figuratively speaking. And I think there's a lot of truth to that, that sometimes in our dreams we glimpse these other levels of reality, and I think what you may have been doing was experiencing that part of reality that is far more dazzling than this one, that we're preparing ourselves for.[/QUOTE]

Dammit what's going on with not being able to edit? I forgot to re-wrap those quotes with bbcode.

Originally Posted by TheRealTenman

Heh, I dont need drugs to flip out

I already hallucinate daily without them.

I think he was serious. Entheogens have been part of spiritual groups and religions for thousands of years, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote, and ayahuasca were considered sacred and holy. They have only recently been called "dangerous drugs". They really aren't dangerous as long as they're used responsibly and you aren't a schizophrenic. There's a reason DMT is called the spirit molecule.

I think he was serious. Entheogens have been part of spiritual groups and religions for thousands of years, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote, and ayahuasca were considered sacred and holy. They have only recently been called "dangerous drugs". They really aren't dangerous as long as they're used responsibly and you aren't a schizophrenic. There's a reason DMT is called the spirit molecule.

Yes I agree Woodstock, and Jonlhn Lilly agrees with you too.

Extremador, Thank you for your very interesting Youtube link.

have a look at this one:

the scientist john c lilly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVf8...e_gdata_player
(27 minutes) 22,672 views now

After watching all of your Youtube link plus another John Talbot interview, I found the above interview.

Look in the [b]show more [/b|and click on the "Here's the text of the interview. Lilly talks too soft, so the text is useful. The interviewer makes a lot of good points.

TheRealTenman, enjoy!

This is where I got my idea about awakened (enlightened) mind.

Check out the pictures of a road surface, how they appear to regular and to awakened mind.

link

LILLY:

In the province of the mind what one believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits.
These limits are to be found experimentally and experientially.
When so found these limits turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended.
In the province of the mind there are no limits.
However, in the province of the body there are definite limits not to be transcended.

LILLY:

Well, there's one state beyond +3. That's +1, but you're not allowed to remember that once you go into it.
It's union with God.
That's the true yoga, and so you're nonhuman, so there's no way you can recount what happened.
You have no way of saying it, because it's beyond language.
Well, all those states are beyond language. Language is a very poor instrument to express it.

LILLY:

Well, there's one use of language that's valid. That's the injunctive use -- telling you how to do things. The descriptive one's very poor, and William James said that [b]the other realities are separated from this one by the filmiest of screens.[b] I found that this screen is language, so you have to abandon it when you're going to these other realities.

MISHLOVE: In addition to +1 and +3, you've mapped out +6. That's a state of consciousness, as I recall, in which the mind can travel to any point in physical or nonphysical space.
LILLY: Right. But you maintain your individuality.
MISHLOVE: That must be a basic mode of the psychic explorer. I gather from reading much of your work that you spent a great deal of time in +6.
LILLY: Right, and in +12. Plus 12 is the blissful idiot. You're in your body; you're right here and now, but everything is happy. There's gold dust particles in the air, and everything is good.
MISHLOVE: You can feel energy moving in and out of the different psychic centers of the body.
LILLY: And if a bird calls, you hear it echoing through the galaxy. But that's not much use, unless you can find another bliss being in the same space.

Maybe we do this when we share dream, find another Bliss Being in the same space?

gab

I would say, you were... enlightened. And I mean it.

I don't believe I am one with the uni-multiverse yet...I sure as hell ain't at peace.

Check out the pictures of a road surface

The roads that I see IRL are the same as usual but are more road-y?...they seem to exist more?...Are stronger in presence?
They stand out just as every thing else...but don't...

I hate that I can't explain it, that is the worst part about it.
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haha663

everything semms more detailed or something.

Yeah that is the easiest way to explain it. It isn't accurate, as it doesn't give enough detail about the other effects.

Also

semms

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Extremador

Entire post

I haven't had any detailed/clear dream that I remember. My only LD I would class as such was 30 minutes of an "in and out" between colour, wire frame and last but not least(actually most) white and black cell shaded "thing" (see video game: MadWorld then invert the picture(mainly black with white lines))


As for the multiple realities.

*shrug* uh-uh-uuuuh

I agree but have never experienced it. The furthest "out of this world" I have gotten was when I got kicked by a horse in the head and watched me get cared for from above me. OBE. My mother had a bald spot.
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Woodstock

...and you aren't a schizophrenic...

There is your-my problem.

My family has a high rate of mental problems:

Dad (Damaged brain caused split personalities and hemispherical anomalies(I have inherited some of his problems genetically))
Dads dad (Prone to fits of rage, institutionalized for something the family doesn't say)
Dads dads dad or further back (crazy enough to marry an English woman as a German soldier in WW2)
Mothers mother (Delusional amongst other things)
Mothers dad (Forgetful then photographic memory).

Fun lot.

None the less my brain chemistry is *WAY* too messed up to risk the effects of "hard core" drugs IE hallucinogens.

I tried pot though...I was vomiting for about and hour. F you Samantha! You gave me a bad patch!
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debrajane

I didn't under stand your first post and cannot see the relevance of the second...
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I haven't watched either Youtube video yet but will after I post. (internet is slow as a deaf bat with no wings navigating a cave)

I have been trying to change what I perceive, so far only sight, and I have found that if I *un-focus* (almost the exact same mental command as focus) my sight I can get it back to "normal" but as soon as I stop trying, it returns to high-res.

Originally Posted by TheRealTenman

gab
The roads that I see IRL are the same as usual but are more road-y?...they seem to exist more?...Are stronger in presence?
They stand out just as every thing else...but don't...

I hate that I can't explain it, that is the worst part about it.

I have been trying to change what I perceive, so far only sight, and I have found that if I *un-focus* (almost the exact same mental command as focus) my sight I can get it back to "normal" but as soon as I stop trying, it returns to high-res.

Funny, because that's how I would describe my lucids. Everything in them is just "more". Even me. I'm more "there" than I'm here now IWL.

So, unles it bothers you, I would just enjoy it, while it lasts.

TheRealTenman

Thank you for the indepth answeres to everyone.

My second post is a bit from the transcript of John Lily's interview.

since you are having trouble loading the Youtube here is the full (27 minute) transcript:

The Intuition Network, A Thinking Allowed Television Underwriter, presents the following transcript from the series Thinking Allowed, Conversations On the Leading Edge of Knowledge and Discovery, with Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove.
IN THE PROVINCE OF THE MIND with JOHN C. LILLY, M.D.**

JEFFREY MISHLOVE, Ph.D.: Hello and welcome. Today we are going to explore the province of the mind. With me is Dr. John C. Lilly, a noted pioneer of mystical states, of states of consciousness, and also interspecies communication.

Dr. Lilly is a former researcher with the National Institutes of Health and the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center.

He is the author of some five books on human-dolphin communication, including*Lilly on Dolphins, Man and Dolphin, The Mind of the Dolphin, Communication between Man and Dolphin. He has written many books on deep inner exploration, including*The Deep Self, The Center of the Cyclone, The Dyadic Cyclone,*and*The Scientist,*and he is particularly known for*Programming and Metaprogramming the Human Biocomputer. In fact he introduced that term, the biocomputer, into our language.

Welcome, John.

JOHN C. LILLY, M.D.:

Thank you.

MISHLOVE: It's a real pleasure to be with you. I think it would be good to start with your famous maxim about what is true in the province of the mind. Could you begin by repeating that?

LILLY: In the province of the mind what one believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits. These limits are to be found experimentally and experientially. When so found these limits turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended. In the province of the mind there are no limits. However, in the province of the body there are definite limits not to be transcended.

MISHLOVE: You've probably devoted your whole life, and certainly many decades recently, to pushing to see what really were the limits -- by going into new realities, taking on the belief systems of those realities, and then coming back to your basic working reality and challenging those beliefs, integrating those beliefs with your own. In your writings you've explored almost every state of consciousness I could imagine -- the various mystical levels of satori, communication with extraterrestrials, communication with other species. You've established probably a more significant mapping of inner space than almost any other modern person, and I think we all owe a great debt to you for that.

LILLY: But don't get stuck with those. I've abandoned all of them. It's impossible, because there are infinities within the mind.

MISHLOVE: I think that's the beauty of your work, is that you keep moving further and further out. In The Center of the Cyclone you described a state -- you had a whole system, virtually a quantitative system, for mapping states of consciousness, and you talked about one that I found most fascinating, which you call +3, Mega Samadhi. In that state you describe going so far out of your body, even out of the physical universe, to the point of being at the level of essence, in which the physical universe is created.

LILLY: Right.

MISHLOVE: That almost seemed to me, in reading that book, like an ultimate state of consciousness, but I know you wrote about it some fifteen years ago. How does it look to you now?

LILLY: Well, there's one state beyond +3. That's +1, but you're not allowed to remember that once you go into it. It's union with God. That's the true yoga, and so you're nonhuman, so there's no way you can recount what happened. You have no way of saying it, because it's beyond language. Well, all those states are beyond language. Language is a very poor instrument to express it.

MISHLOVE: In some of your other writings you've described language as being a thin film that separates us from reality. Much as we try to use language to describe what we mean, it really puts barriers up.

LILLY: Well, there's one use of language that's valid. That's the injunctive use -- telling you how to do things. The descriptive one's very poor, and William James said that the other realities are separated from this one by the filmiest of screens. I found that this screen is language, so you have to abandon it when you're going to these other realities.

MISHLOVE: In addition to +1 and +3, you've mapped out +6. That's a state of consciousness, as I recall, in which the mind can travel to any point in physical or nonphysical space.

LILLY: Right. But you maintain your individuality.

MISHLOVE: That must be a basic mode of the psychic explorer. I gather from reading much of your work that you spent a great deal of time in +6.

LILLY: Right, and in +12. Plus 12 is the blissful idiot. You're in your body; you're right here and now, but everything is happy. There's gold dust particles in the air, and everything is good.

MISHLOVE: You can feel energy moving in and out of the different psychic centers of the body.

LILLY: And if a bird calls, you hear it echoing through the galaxy. But that's not much use, unless you can find another bliss being in the same space.

MISHLOVE: Many of the mystical teachings warn against getting stuck in some of these realities.

LILLY: Right. I haven't been in any of them since that time.

MISHLOVE: You also refer, in your mapping of states, to +48, which is sort of a perfectly neutral state.

[b]LILLY:[/b Right. Plus 24 is the professional state of any discipline that you're involved in, where you're lost in the discipline. Forty-eight is where you're communicating with everybody else. Then there are the minus states, but I don't go into those.

MISHLOVE: No, but at one point you wrote about the importance of going into the minus states and remaining perfectly aware, being conscious in those negative states, not trying to block out the negativity. You described that, as I recall, as burning karma.

LILLY: Yes. In The Center of the Cyclone there's a chapter called "A Guided Tour of Hell," which is -6. That was awful. So I never had to go back to that. And I was never frightened again. I was totally terrified in that one.

MISHLOVE: I suppose it's what the Christian mystics sometimes refer to as the dark night of the soul.

LILLY: Well, it was the dark night of my soul.

MISHLOVE: Perhaps this is a necessary part of everybody's journey, is to go through the epitome of terror.

LILLY: Right. For instance, there's an Iranian psychiatrist, an American psychiatrist, that put a hundred patients in a mental hospital in Iran through what they feared most, on Ketamine, and they all left the hospital. Now, I tried the same thing, after I read that. That evening I took 150 milligrams of Ketamine, and suddenly the Earth Coincidence Control Office removed my penis and handed it to me. I screamed in terror. My wife Toni came running in from the bedroom, and she said, "It's still attached." So I shouted at the ceiling, "Who's in charge up there? A bunch of crazy kids?" The answer came back, "Well, you had an unconscious fear, so we put you through it, just the way the Iranian psychiatrist did."

MISHLOVE: In the realm of the mind, the province of the mind, we can face all our fears.

LILLY: Well, you may not be able to live with it, but you should try it.

MISHLOVE: I often find in dreams that the things that would destroy the body, in the realm of the mind,

Oops this is limit of "quick post"more in a minute.

MISHLOVE: I often find in dreams that the things that would destroy the body, in the realm of the mind, don't.

LILLY: That's right. The survival programs, as I found out earlier from doing neurophysiology, are built into the brain. The rewarding systems, euphoric systems, and the sexual systems, and the painful, punishing, anger systems are all built in. And then you realize that the cerebral cortex has many, many paths to these systems and from these systems, so you don't have to go through these states.

MISHLOVE: Let's focus a little bit on some of the terms you mentioned a moment ago. You mentioned Ketamine. What is Ketamine?

LILLY: Ketamine is the most commonly used anesthetic for very young children and old people. In the literature there are emergence symptoms that are described, emergence being coming out of the anesthetic. Some doctors don't like those emergence symptoms, so they won't use it. Others know what they are, so they just hold the hand of the patient and help him come out. It was the most commonly used anesthetic in Vietnam. Some places won't use it at all, but are frightened of it.

MISHLOVE: Basically, what a strong dose of Ketamine will do is make you unaware of your body.

LILLY: Yes, it can. I don't like it anymore.

MISHLOVE: But it creates a state where one can enter into inner realities free from the attachments of the body.

LILLY: ECCO told me to stop using it, and get back here and learn how to be human.

MISHLOVE: In your book The Scientist you describe going through a period of very intensive explorations with Vitamin K, as you described it at that point -- to the extent that people thought you were -- and it's not clear to me whether you were or not -- addicted to the substance.

LILLY: Well, when one is doing research on a substance, one takes it so frequently that outside observers can say you're addicted, but that's a very bad definition of addiction.

MISHLOVE: I think in many ways whether you were or weren't, one has to admire your willingness to always push the frontiers of our knowledge further, and it's clear that that was your motivation for the work that you did.

LILLY: Any good research is obsessive and compulsive.

MISHLOVE: You also mentioned the term ECCO. What is ECCO?

LILLY: E-C-C-O. In Italian it means, "This is it." But it means to me the Earth Coincidence Control Office, which is one of God's field offices. ECCO runs our lives, though we won't admit it. If you're an ECCO agent, you can be very, very careful to use your best intelligence in ECCO's service, and you realize there are no discoveries, there are only revelations. That was a come-down for me as a scientist.

MISHLOVE: Well, I've found in my own work in the media and parapsychology, that I'm very much guided by coincidences.

LILLY: Right.