Originally posted by Matchbook
The problem with these kinds of topics is that you can't physically proove these things as easily beacuse you can't look inside the brain and see things from that perspective, or put a camera in the astral. All of these things remain theory until there is something overwhelmingly convincing. But I personally don't think these things will ever be proven, at least within my lifetime.

ive been reading so much on OBEs and astral travel lately. i cant find one thing that differs in respect to LDing. this guy had instructions on looking at a deck of cards. he said DONT imagine the card as being anything or it will change when u are in an OBE trying to read it. yeah thats called dreaming.

he also made instruction of how an LD is just a low lvl OBE. well if u are truly wondering around in spirit form, there wil be no loss of clarity or anythng. these guys are just having LDs and adding a bit of superstition to the mix. reminds me of world religion in a way

then he went on about how you need to do reality checks and look at your hands. he said they are sometimes distorted or stretched. it only makes sense to me that if you are wondering around as your spirit, you would be one solid form of spiritual energy, not able to be manipulated by your thinking. they also speak of blurriness and all kinds of things that help prove OBEs to be just LDs

if NDEs are real then a true OBE would have the same clarity, not to be confused with an LD


also, leo vomit: someone in a cave has seen shadows many times. fire