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Since WILD basically takes a person from a waking state to a state of dreaming, is it possible to spend the entire time sleeping on a lucid dream?
also, in a semi unrelated note, can you alter your perception of time in your dream? so that 10 minutes lucid dream seems like an actual day in your dream?
I don't think it's possible to spend 8 hours in REM/Lucid dream. Because the different stages go like this;
http://i46.tinypic.com/28w9bo.jpg
other question... what is it like in a lucid dream when the REM cycle ends?
No, it's not possible to lucid dream for 8 hours straight, as you won't REM for all of that.
The dream ends! In mine, it all just fades to black and I can't DEILD or get back into a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by KL31
This is pretty much what happened to me. The dream ultimately collapsed all around me. Not only could I feel my grip on my environment waning, I could see everything become enveloped in a haze before dropping out entirely. It was interesting, but kind of sad to witness.Quote:
Originally Posted by isthisit
As others say, no it's not possible. But if u have a slow time perception in a dream, it could seem to last longer then normal. Could be wrong here though.. But i really have trouble to beleve that it could feel like 24 hours long.. Think it's more like 10-15 minutes longer.
[QUOTE=Crashyy;1916770]I don't think it's possible to spend 8 hours in REM/Lucid dream. Because the different stages go like this;
Could you please explain what exactly REM sleep is? And give some more explanations to the stages, because I haven't quite understood it, since I am kind of new to the whole Lucid Dreaming thing..
Thanks in advance..
How do you know? I've seen other charts that seem to disagree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crashyy
[QUOTE=iNyaw;1917477]Dude, there's wiki page right here for everything that has to do with sleep, dreams and lucid dreaming, look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crashyy
Yeah I know there's a wiki but I've understood everything except that REM thing which seems to be a gap that has to be filled in order for me to be able to understand some other things.. And I can't find what REM sleep is anywhere (or maybe I have seen it before and I missed it lol)..
So you say you can dream for 8 hours long? If you would have a lucid dream for 8 hours long, that would be sick. But so far, no one I know has ever had a lucid dream which lasted for 8 hours lol. And besides I just took the graph so KL might understand it a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperFob
As far as I'm concerned, time alteration is possible. :P
About 8 hour REM sleep... I think it is possible but difficult to achieve...
Unless you are planning to slip into a coma do not count on 8 hours of continuous REM sleep. :cheeky:
8 hours of continuous REM sleep? As far as we know from scientific data, no, this is not possible.
Essentially, your sleep cycle is categorized in non-rapid eye movement sleep and rapid eye movement sleep. Non-rapid eye movement sleep is subdivided into 3 stages.
Stage 1 is transition between drowsiness and light sleep, where stage 2 is actual sleep. Stage 3 is deep sleep (also called delta sleep).
Two important aspects of REM sleep is that your REM periods will increase in duration as the night progresses, and the interval between your REM periods will decrease; thus you will experience increasingly longer REM periods over shorter intervals of time. In average you will have around 5 REM periods during your sleep, and the longest ones will have a duration of around 40 to 60 minutes. So not even close to that of 8 hours.
Usually a sleeping cycle progress from stage 1 to stage 3, then it goes back to stage to. After around 70-90 minutes of going to sleep, you will experience your first REM period, which in the beginning will be short, roughly around 10 minutes. After it ends, you might slip back up into stage 2 of non-rapid eye movement sleep, go back into delta, then come back up for your next REM period, and so on throughout the night.
There is not much you need to know about REM sleep of technical terms to understand the basic outline of it (I surely don't :D). REM sleep is simply a dream stage which is characterized by your eyes moving very rapidly. Another thing is that most dreams, and most vivid dreams people report, have taken place in REM sleep, that is to say, REM sleep is more or less the stage in which we dream.Quote:
Yeah I know there's a wiki but I've understood everything except that REM thing which seems to be a gap that has to be filled in order for me to be able to understand some other things.. And I can't find what REM sleep is anywhere (or maybe I have seen it before and I missed it lol)..
Another thing about REM sleep is that your body gets paralyzed in order to prevent you from acting out your dreams. Sometimes sleep paralysis doesn't turn off right when you awake, and this is where you can get those scary experiences of being unable to move while seeing or hearing odd things around you.
If you have a pet you can actually also observe REM sleep. When my dog sleeps in my room at night, there will be times where I can see him twitching a lot, small movements of his legs and so on. His eyes will also be moving around a lot. Additionally you can also hear him barking a bit and so forth. Actually he's doing it as I write this :D
You can read more about it here:
Rapid eye movement sleep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well you have to remember that when you WILD, you are simply aware of the entire process from going to sleep to entering a dream. If you had not WILD'ED while going to sleep, you would have fallen into sleep in exactly the same manner, no difference there. Only difference is that you made yourself aware of the process. When the REM period which you entered (through WILD or not) ends, your dream, like others already mentioned, will simply stop.Quote:
Since WILD basically takes a person from a waking state to a state of dreaming, is it possible to spend the entire time sleeping on a lucid dream?
People are stating the regular REM cycles, as if they completely dictate what happens when you sleep.
I myself have experienced almost 2 and a half hours of pure rem sleep with a WILD in the morning a couple of times.
I fell asleep and immediately entered a lucid dream. The lucid lasted a long time, when it ended I woke up, a little over 2 hours later.
From my experience, with lucid dreaming you can force REM sleep, but your body only needs around 2 hours of REM sleep total. So that might be when I hit the possible limit. I woke up feeling like I slept for a LONG time. You might be able to force yourself to go longer than that.
I have read, that babies are dreaming for 8 hours (and more). So everyone had 8 hour REM-cycles at one point in there lives. :cheeky:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crashyy
But I have also read, that one may have dreams in Non-REM. So at least normal dreams may be possible for 8 hours (even if you don't recall all 8 hours)?
I also heard, that if you miss some REM-time you will have even more REM-sleep the next night (for compensation). So wouldn't it be possible to stay awake for some days and then get a hyper-REM? ;)
As far as I know, sleep deprivation won't prolong the REM stage. On the contrary; it will wipe it off entirely and if you stay awake for two days or so, you won't have any dreams at all the next time you go to sleep. But again, I've heard some monks would deprive themselves of sleep for several days and then go out of body (which doesn't necessarily require REM sleep, according to some sources).Quote:
Originally Posted by Empty
Also, there's a technique called 'condensed weekend OBE in which you go about your day, stay awake through the entire night, take a two-hour-long nap around noon (to give the body some deep sleep), go through the rest of the day, go to sleep, wake up after three or four hours, stay awake for an hour or so, and then attempt an OBE. It's supposed to boost the experience and prolong it. I haven't tried it yet, but other people have and it seems to work. I don't know for sure if the technique can be extrapolated to work for regular dreams, though (unless an OBE is a regular dream, too).
I actually did a little experiment on this awhile ago. I deprived myself from sleep for 80 or so hours. As I was getting ready to go to bed, I wrote down what time it was. 23:00. I also recited a mantra and told myself I would wake up as soon as a dream ended. I used the WILD technique and went straight into a dream. The dream eventually faded out so I woke myself up. I woke up at around 2:30AM.
I agree with what Bullet said. Even though I ended up with around three and a half hours of REM sleep, I believe if you were more experienced you could force it to go much longer. A friend of mine told me he was in a dream for 6 hours, but I'm not sure about that, as he may have just linked multiple dreams together. I know for sure with practice and sleep deprivation you can get at least three hours straight. If someone with more experience wants to try it out, by all means go for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverBullet
and what if a regular dreams are OBE's actually :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Radek1990