 Originally Posted by intheworldofnim
sivason, No I disagree, you have to be mindful of the different layers of lucidity and the feeling you felt when acknowledging the type of dream you had. When you are in a semi lucid state, the dream still has influence over you which means it's not trully YOU, it's only remains as a FEELING. It's definitly a lucid dream but it's not a COMPLETE lucid dream, so you have to acknowledge the level of lucidity you had because theres a wide spectrum of lucidity. It's not an off or on switch where you perform a reality check and then (BOOM) your lucid. No, the only way you become lucid is when the logical side of your brain awakens. with out that part of your brain awakening, you would never be able to become lucid. Lucidity is a feeling you get while in a dream, this feeling intensifies when that part of your brain contenues awakening. This is proven by the fact that many can feel that they are dreaming without ever gaining the sense that what they see is not normal. this proves that a spectrum exists. So I do not think we should be marking every type of lucide dream we have as just "lucid dream" because confusion will arise. their are types of lucid dreams yes, but those types are defined by layers which every person who wants to learn how to lucid dream should know about. A layer 2 minor is NOT a layer 4 major, there is a DRASTIC DIFFERENCE between the two. You would not be helping yourself by comparing those two because layer 4 majors is the epitome of subcoscious, conscious interation while in layer 2 minors, you're practically still a dream character. you need to mark down the level of lucidity you had so you can understand the differences between each layer. low level lucidity levels are not true lucid dreams becomes you still don't know the true implications of your dream. True lucid dreams is when your real life waking life conscious is awake in the dream state. so recognizing your lucidity level is important.
Interseting, but you misunderstand me. In trying to teach and coach those members who can use a little help, I will treat each person according to their needs. Teaching should not be soo rigid as adherance to charts and graphs. My comment was "at first I would count ever dream where you know it is a dream as a lucid." Refering to those of you who are excited to get any LD. If a student tells me "I knew it was a dream, but I was confused and everything was blurry and it lasted 30 seconds" Then hell, I am going to pat them on the back and say "that is awesome! You had a real LD!!!" Note the !!! this hobby can move so slow at first, that beginners should charish any lucidity, write it in their DJs and tell there friends, maybe even start a thread telling us about their 30 second long LD.
Now, if we remove the 'at first' line of thought, and we now talk about 10+ years experience then counting things like the 30 second confused LD as much is useless. For fun i some times play Matte's competion thread. I will never claim points for a semi-lucid, all though the rules do not say I should not. In listing my LD count at 2K+ I only counted the average 2 a week solid LDs (average 100 year) going back 20 years. Ive been doing it for 25 years, but can not remeber how common they were way back then. So, at higher levels, be hard on yourself because you are seeking to master a skill. If I counted semi-lucids and 30 second LDs that are confussed the number would be something stupid like 6K+, but that is childish and stupid at my level of trainging.
Here is the point in brief... Beginners get a thrill out of any lucidity, unless some hard ass takes it away, by saying "no, that was not it, only semi-lucid, try again" The better approach would be to count any of that stuff as their first few LDs. "Good job Tom! You made it to lucid! You will be flying by the end of the year!! CHEERS to you!" Which teacher would you rather work with?
Full fledged dreamers do not say I had 12 LDs last night, if you mean each was 30 seconds long with limited visuals. Beginers DO CLAIM YOUR FIRST LD as long as some small part of you realized "this is a dream". That is all my comment meant.
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