I have heard a lot about experiencing a dream with others and is it possible? If you think it is tell me how you would do it and what happened when you tried it.
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I have heard a lot about experiencing a dream with others and is it possible? If you think it is tell me how you would do it and what happened when you tried it.
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Oh this one question. What I always tell people, don't believe those who believe in it (including me), if you really want to entertain the idea just try to have them then draw your own conclusions.
Yes I believe its possible, don't hold it into some kind of weird mistycism or the like, just teleport to the person and done <.<
Some will tell you yes. Some will tell you no. I personally don't know so I won't rule it out. I think it seems a little far fetched, but in reality, our minds could have so much potential that we don't know about. And I think it would be silly to simply dismiss such potential.
Not proven, so you can only go by peoples anecdotes, which aren't too reliable if you ask me. I wouldn't say that it is impossible, just lacking in evidence. We don't know all of the ways in which human beings can communicate, dreams could be one of them, but then again, it isn't proven.
I see what you guys are saying but I just don't see how you could meet up with somebody in a dream considering your dream is just your imagination. I could see it happening in an OBE though.
People always use the fact that the scientific method cannot be utilized to define something like shared dreaming. Even though there are theories, which shouldn't be an article of faith, people still rely on these theories as a basis to define something that would otherwise be paranormal.
It's amazing that most people want to say that anything is possible in dreaming, and yet they still lock the concept of shared dreaming because there isn't enough reliability, even though non-shared dreaming elements themselves aren't completely reliable as well. The reason why it seems focusing on practical aspects of dreaming instead of the subjective nature of shared dreaming is eaiser is the fact that lucid dreaming is a scientifically proven phenomenon.
Shared dreaming on the other hand, despite knowing that anything can be possible in dreaming, creating mental barriers that it's something else leads one to believe that it isn't worth practicing. No one wants to take things one step at a time, because others will still continue to doubt a person's belief on shared dreaming because of the potential of it not being reliable.
People want consistent results, but even when you only lucid dream for practical and tangible measures, there will be a point where you can't even explain more complicated processes that initiate how your dreams could be shared.
I personally think that if you want to believe whether or not shared dreaming is possible, you can't be swayed into other people's thought processes and jump on their bandwagon, it will just stop you from seeing what could be there.
I've had cases where I've found some similarities with a few members, and they had a similar experience as well, because most of the time, we find each other hitting the same REM periods, and I'm still doing it because it's interesting to find more and more similarities from each individual.
When it's just one person's experience, it's easy to define dreaming, when it's more than that, it elevates the subjectivity even more, making it a difficult process to confirm without contradicting the rudiments of dreaming itself.
There can also be the possibility of it being dream telepathy, or meeting someone on the dreaming plane, but again, some people do not want to believe in that possibility, even though they know in dreaming, anything can be possible. :whyme:
Lucid dreaming itself is still a growing trend, even though it's been apparent long before. It's more of a "Finding Atlantis" trend. It'll die off, and then come back as something new and "evolutionary."
I personally don't see why shared dreaming can't be possible. I once watched an interesting program on the science channel that talked about something called the "global consciousness," where everyone's minds are connected together via the earth's magnetic field. They even did an experiment where they disconnected two people from the earth's magnetic field (they put them inside some sort of lead building or something like that) and then created a magnetic field that linked just the two of them. Each person was in darkness in a separate room, and they flashed a light in one of the rooms. The person in the other room was able to see the flashing light in their mind.
So I think our minds are connected in some way to everyone's elses, or at least to several other people in our lives that we are close to. There are plenty of stories of mothers knowing when their children are in trouble, or twins experiencing each other's feelings. So I don't think that shared dreaming is impossible if we are mentally connected in some way. It would be a matter of reaching out into tht magnetic field or whatever links us and finding someone else who is dreaming.
Some people think that during dreams we can also have OBEs and 'visit' that way. I know that when I was beginning REIKI (healing technique) I had an adjustment (gosh can't even remember the proper term now *smacks forehead*) that was done from miles away. I did indeed feel the adjustment. Some might say it's all in my head - and yeah - it is. But isn't everything? We interpret our world internally. Anyways, I think it's an interesting idea but may be for the advanced LD'ers. I am not in that category. :wink: I've done RV'ing (remote viewing) and I think I used a collective process to 'see' my targets and/or a form of OBE's.
I'd doubt it, but who knows. If someone said to me 3 months ago that you can control your dream I would of told them that's nonsense.
I suppose there is no way at all it could be studied, as Ish said you would have to rely on purely anecdotal evidence. For something to be scientifically proven you have to be able to replicate somebody else's results. Personally, I can't see how it would be possible as it would surely require some kind of psychic ability? Abilities which lab experiments have found no real evidence for.
That sounds very interesting, source if you can?Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowclaw
I find this idea of being linked by a "magnetic field" a bit spurious. I don't know if anybody watched a show called Torchwood:Miracle Day, but I think that concept was used as a major plot point?
It was on an episode of Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman. It's in the episode that deals with a possible 6th sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by enak101
Interesting theory I suppose, but I'm highly sceptical.
I think this sort of thing could be tested. And yes, I think you'd have to use some sort of 6th sense. It could work to some degree like remote viewing. On another forum, we tested remote viewing by having a sender and many receivers. The sender would choose a place and go to it, or an object and hold it. The others would 'view'. Then, results would be sent to a third person who would post the results the following day or in a few hours after the experiment was to commence. My only point here, and it's quite a blathering one, is that if we can view the same object or experience the same locale without being there physically, then could we not experience an altered state simultaneously and test it as such? Just a thought... :D
Yes, I would agree with you there. However, studies into this kind of thing have always been somewhat unfavourable to the existence of any kind of psychic ability. I'm no believer myself, although if some kind of ground breaking evidence came to light I would certainly be interested.Quote:
if we can view the same object or experience the same locale without being there physically, then could we not experience an altered state simultaneously and test it as such? Just a thought...
Excuse me but for people saying 6th sense, it would be a 7th sense, a not-so-known chemical 6th sense already exists.
Also, shared dreaming shouldn't be that hard to test, if someone can provide constant shared dreams with anyone even without knowing them, yup.
Yes, that seems a valid point. Although such a test would still not really be fully scientific, it would be purely anecdotal evidence.Quote:
Also, shared dreaming shouldn't be that hard to test, if someone can provide constant shared dreams with anyone even without knowing them, yup.
Not at all, all you need is a proper lab, control groups and record everything you do so the experiment can be replicated all over the world. Only problem is you would need to pay to strangers and use the same SDing person ALL over the world, so that the other labs can replicate the exp.
Ok, I stand corrected! :cheeky:Quote:
Not at all, all you need is a proper lab, control groups and record everything you do so the experiment can be replicated all over the world. Only problem is you would need to pay to strangers and use the same SDing person ALL over the world, so that the other labs can replicate the exp.
Agreed. It is hard to prove something like this as it is hard to prove anything we 'feel'. Feeling love and having a memory are difficult to prove - yet we experience both. And even dreaming - we can't prove we 'dream' we can only prove our brains go into a certain state [REM etc]. The only reason I believe we say we dream is because we have a common experience which we have all had. If one had never dreamed, one might believe dreams don't exist. So, proving something that is so internally anchored is very difficult for science.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolicemanFox
Hmm :uhm: , that sounds very complicate to me. ;) But I am a pretty simple person. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
Stephen Laberge has "proven" the existence of lucid dreaming in laboratory conditions though. Although, I'm not too sure if others have actually replicated this. Suspicious! :shock:Quote:
he only reason I believe we say we dream is because we have a common experience which we have all had. If one had never dreamed, one might believe dreams don't exist. So, proving something that is so internally anchored is very difficult for science.
Just as an afterthought they have also done studies that have found that the correct areas of the brain light up for dream actions as they do for their real-life counterparts. For example somebody who claims to have dreamt about playing music will have had the area of the brain responsible for music notably engaged on a scan.
Oh well, guess it would be very time consuming, but not so much complicated. First determine if it is real or not, then if it is real how it works. How it works would be the real monster, in case the experiment succeeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenLight
Yep, but I suppose most things are "discovered" before they are fully understood, gravity, electricity etc? We still don't fully understand completely why gravity exists. :)Quote:
How it works would be the real monster, in case the experiment succeeds.