 Originally Posted by redstockings
dreamguy1515:
1) you said: "not sure if trolling"... I am not trolling, I've posted in this forum numerous times. you apparently joined in April 2011. so I have been around longer than you. If I wanted to be condescending, I'd suggest that you were the troll because you're the newbie. but I won't do that, because I believe all of us who LD should have a place to post here.
2) you said: "or just stupid"...like I said, unlike you, I will not be condescending. there is no place for that on this forum. I don't know you personally, but I find that truly intelligent people don't resort to calling other people they disagree with "stupid".
This is probably in reference to the Futurama Fry meme. It is still disrespectful, but hopefully by explaining it a little there will be less hard feelings since it could be an attempt at humor, though he went about it poorly if it was. In any case people should try to be mature when responding to others.
As for rape in dreams, I find it acceptable, it is a victimless crime. As you said, it is like raping yourself, but I do not even agree with that. Can I rape myself without it being consentual? I do not believe that dc's are segments of my conciousness, or part of a whole, and by effecting them I effect myself. In a lucid dream, I am concious as in real life, and my thoughts and such are collected in my dream self, everything else is images formed from my conciousness, reacting to my expectations. You say dreams stay with us, but to what extent? You have had thousands of dreams in your life, how many could you remember? I can remember a great deal, but needless to say the majority have left my memory. Some dreams may make an impact on us, however I do not think that they will change who you are, and certianly shouldn't transform someone immoral from dream actions. The only risk I can see is emotional damage from feeling guilty of your dream actions, but if you realize that you are only acting out your fantasies in your mind, one should not feel guilty.
Furthermore, in many dreams the line between rape and sex blur, I will give an example. In one of my lucids, I was looking for my crush. I travelled all around the school looking for her, when I finally found her. When I was close to her, she ran. I chased after and grabbed her leg, I had spent an entire dream on this and did not want to waste it (sorry if this was a little graphic but I cannot change my dream to make it more reader friendly). I prepared to have sex then, but she did not struggle, she did not complain, and seemed completely fine with it. I believe my "searching and chasing" mentality I had during the dream made me expect her to run. When dreams find an objective, your mind often tries to keep with that same goal for the dream, this is the reason I can never shake a pursuer in my non-lucids, and in this mentality I wouldn't have ever succeded in catching her if I did not do what I did. Since emotions control DC's to an extent, she ran. When I caught her, the chase was off, and my emotions were replaced with sexual ones, and she immediantly became sexual herself.
Is that rape? I forced her into it, but the only reason she resisted was because I expected her to. She was not disgusted or hurt, or emotionally harmed, for her to genuinly feel like that, I would have to feel like that.
Acting out rape in a dream does not seem immoral to me, I would be completely fine in a room with someone who had done it. All they did was act out a fantasy, not to hurt a person, but most likely to feel dominant and in control, and people have every right to be in control of their mind.
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