Thread: About dreamer's personality

I think dream characters may not be truly real, but they create an illusion of reality, and this alone can be useful in dreams.
I haven't really heard of this theory before though, so I can't point you in a direction.
Dreams vary alot, for me aleast, so to me it's just a dream there shouldn't be anything too serious in my opinion.
Hope that was an ok respose

Thank you, Arch. :))

[It's actually very hard for me to explain what I mean, because, as you can see, my English isn't very good. :)) Even when I explain it in mother language, it's hard for people to understand what I'm talking about. x)) I'm not good at explanations.]

This theory seems odd to me. If you are interpreting the characters in your dream, as unreal as they are, they are still created by you and in a way are thus a part of you. Hence you interpret a part of you and as long as you do that right I don't see a problem.

How would this render dream analysis wrong? That being said from someone whe never once was able to make a valuable dream analysis, I'm asking this solely from the point of logic.

As for your english, it's ok, really. I've seen far worse things and I'm pretty sure I get what you're talking about.

First of all, your english is fine. You should see what I write sometimes

Second, we have to analyse everything (or 99% of the dream, let the other 1% for the mistery ) in this perspective: your dreams are product of yourself: your mental schemes, your expectations, your mood, your fears and wishes. So, X friend in your dream is your representative image of that friend.

I'm not understanding what you want to point out when you say that all dream analysis is wrong though. If you're trying to explain X friend's action in a dream you have with him, just because he's doing something that isn't usual or true about him, doesn't mean it's because his identity is not the same, it's just the other factors that come into play (like memory organization, or self concerns) that will alter the way that some Dream Characters you know and that appear in your dreams will act sometimes.

But if you're saying that X friend is never X friend in your dream, but a version of X friend based on what you think he represents to you, then yes I would agree.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

This theory seems odd to me. If you are interpreting the characters in your dream, as unreal as they are, they are still created by you and in a way are thus a part of you. Hence you interpret a part of you and as long as you do that right I don't see a problem.

I am not sure if I have understood you correctly, by I will try to answer. Anyway, this post could be a wider explanation about the subject.

Do I make my heart beating? Sure it's not you or god, but I also can't say it is me, a person who writes this post now. I do not control the view in dreams, and I do not create characters as I create my thoughts and emotions. But I control my personality in my dreams like I control myself in daytime, although I am not as conscious as I am now. Do you agree that the view is much more odd to a dreamer than his thoughts and feelings? Actually if you think in the different way, it means you think that a dreamer suddenly gains real mind when he gets lucid. Isn't it much more possible that he always had it, but it was working worse?

When it is about something what I can make accessible to consciousness, for example my thoughts and feelings, it is ok to analyze it. But when I am analyzing something so... vegetative, like the view in a dream, I can't make any valid conclusions. My knowledge about dream analysis is not good, but it seems to be very unreal to do this. Also I can't analyze such different things like thoughts and the view in the same way.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

How would this render dream analysis wrong? That being said from someone whe never once was able to make a valuable dream analysis, I'm asking this solely from the point of logic.

That LD at the beginning shows to me that even in a dream you can understand that you have made a mistake when making conclusions about the situation, not only after waking up. If your thoughts and the view in a dream were the same by their nature, it would be no any possibility to split them. If our conclusions are wrong so often (I have made three stupid mistakes in one short dream), so when someone is telling his dream, there will be too much wrong information about what really happened, and analyzing the dream would be very difficult.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

As for your english, it's ok, really. I've seen far worse things and I'm pretty sure I get what you're talking about.

Thank you. :))

Originally Posted by zoth00

First of all, your english is fine. You should see what I write sometimes :panic:

Thank you too. :))

Originally Posted by zoth00

Second, we have to analyse everything (or 99% of the dream, let the other 1% for the mistery :cheeky:) in this perspective: your dreams are product of yourself: your mental schemes, your expectations, your mood, your fears and wishes. So, X friend in your dream is your representative image of that friend.

I'm not understanding what you want to point out when you say that all dream analysis is wrong though. If you're trying to explain X friend's action in a dream you have with him, just because he's doing something that isn't usual or true about him, doesn't mean it's because his identity is not the same, it's just the other factors that come into play (like memory organization, or self concerns) that will alter the way that some Dream Characters you know and that appear in your dreams will act sometimes.

But if you're saying that X friend is never X friend in your dream, but a version of X friend based on what you think he represents to you, then yes I would agree.

I am not talking about unusual actions, I talk about different appearance. When X looks like Y and I still think that it is X, it is just a mistake. Someone else would say that to my subconsciousness X is similar to Y, but I don't think so, because my mind in a dream is the same mind I do have now, and I never take Y for X because of any subconsciousness' tricks. Actually I never do it at all, it may be possible only when I'm totally drunk or something like that. But only because I'll become very stupid and have some memory problems. x))

Originally Posted by eleggua

Do you agree that the view is much more odd to a dreamer than his thoughts and feelings? Actually if you think in the different way, it means you think that a dreamer suddenly gains real mind when he gets lucid. Isn't it much more possible that he always had it, but it was working worse?

Yeah, of course it's working worse, it wasn't initially supposed to work normal within dreams so that shouldn't be surprising. And when you get lucid it doesn't always become better either.
As for the odd view, you have to take into account that the dream scenery largely creates itself out of those thoughts and feelings, hence usually your subconsciousness must have some means of understanding it better than you as a consciousness have.

Well dream interpretation is difficult, since you have to filter out a lot of useless date which definitely exists, and I suppose the amount of this useless data is what makes you assume dream interpretation is wrong.

Originally Posted by eleggua

I am not talking about unusual actions, I talk about different appearance. When X looks like Y and I still think that it is X, it is just a mistake. Someone else would say that to my subconsciousness X is similar to Y, but I don't think so, because my mind in a dream is the same mind I do have now, and I never take Y for X because of any subconsciousness' tricks. Actually I never do it at all, it may be possible only when I'm totally drunk or something like that. But only because I'll become very stupid and have some memory problems. x))

To put it plain a human consists roughly out of a consciousness, a subconsciousness (which I would actually further divide into mental subconsciousness [emotions, thoughts etc.] and physical subconsciousness [breathing, heartbeat etc.]) and a body. There are very different links between these otherwise seperated units. The ability breathing of the body will be usually controlled by the subconsciousness, but can be taken over temporary by the consciousness. The heartbeat is only controlled by the subconsciousness. Body movements will usually be only controlled by the consciousness but can be taken over tempararily by the subconsciousness. Emotions will be felt by the consciousness and can also be controlled to a certain degree, but they arise from the subconsciousness. Some emotions and thoughts can stay hidden in the subconsciousness, possibly revealing themself in a dream. Which you'd likewise only recognize through dream interpretation. You do have the same mind, consciousness and subconsciousness in dreams, theoretically that is. But dreams provide a varying surrounding in which some things might become invisible while others appear, some of these things being parts about yourself you might not know.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

To put it plain a human consists roughly out of a consciousness, a subconsciousness (which I would actually further divide into mental subconsciousness [emotions, thoughts etc.] and physical subconsciousness [breathing, heartbeat etc.]) and a body. There are very different links between these otherwise seperated units. The ability breathing of the body will be usually controlled by the subconsciousness, but can be taken over temporary by the consciousness. The heartbeat is only controlled by the subconsciousness. Body movements will usually be only controlled by the consciousness but can be taken over tempararily by the subconsciousness. Emotions will be felt by the consciousness and can also be controlled to a certain degree, but they arise from the subconsciousness. Some emotions and thoughts can stay hidden in the subconsciousness, possibly revealing themself in a dream. Which you'd likewise only recognize through dream interpretation. You do have the same mind, consciousness and subconsciousness in dreams, theoretically that is. But dreams provide a varying surrounding in which some things might become invisible while others appear, some of these things being parts about yourself you might not know.

Emm... Is this definition of subconsciousness Freudian?

Freud never spoke about anything called a subconscious, but of course one of his great contributions was the exploration of the unconscious, which was later refined by Jung and others before coming down to us today in its current form.

Usually people who ask a question like that are about to launch into a diatribe about how "Freud was deposed" blah blah blah. That only applies to his theories about every dream being a wish fulfillment and the prominence of childhood sexual trauma at the root of absolutely everything, plus the related ideas associated with those. The fact that you asked if a theory of the subconscious is Freudian makes it clear you're not very familiar with the subject matter. Staysharp on the other hand does seem to know his stuff.

Actually... this is something I didn't really learn from anyone specific, no one ever directly teached me about the matter and I also didn't get it out of the theories of a specific person. This is a short-cut condensed form of my knowledge on the topic, carefully build up from observation, personal experience, scientifical facts and thorough thought. In my past 4 years I spend an average amount of I guess 4-5 hours a day on thinking and processing information, making up for a lot more than 1500 hours of thought. I probably could produce a huge wall of text about this topic but that's not what this thread's about so the condensed version had to do it.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Freud never spoke about anything called a subconscious, but of course one of his great contributions was the exploration of the unconscious, which was later refined by Jung and others before coming down to us today in its current form.

Usually people who ask a question like that are about to launch into a diatribe about how "Freud was deposed" blah blah blah. That only applies to his theories about every dream being a wish fulfillment and the prominence of childhood sexual trauma at the root of absolutely everything, plus the related ideas associated with those. The fact that you asked if a theory of the subconscious is Freudian makes it clear you're not very familiar with the subject matter. Staysharp on the other hand does seem to know his stuff.

In Lithuanian there is only one word describing the subject - pasąmonė, and it means subconsciuosness. Unconsciuosness should be translated as nesąmonė, but this word already means nonsense. :))) So no one uses it...

I don't agree with the second part of StaySharp's post just because I don't believe in this kind of subconsciousness. I have no proof it doesn't exists, but there is also no proof that it does. Or there is? I would be grateful if someone will make any reference to any kind of it.

If there is no proof, I think discussion will be pointless.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

Yeah, of course it's working worse, it wasn't initially supposed to work normal within dreams so that shouldn't be surprising. And when you get lucid it doesn't always become better either.
As for the odd view, you have to take into account that the dream scenery largely creates itself out of those thoughts and feelings, hence usually your subconsciousness must have some means of understanding it better than you as a consciousness have.

If scenery is created out of thoughts and feelings, it still doesn't deny that we can't mistaken when making conclusions about the dreamworld. If a personality in a dream is real, then we don't dream our thoughts as we dream the view. So when we are making strange conclusions, it is not because subconsciousness makes us think like that (I mean, "installs" in our head absolutely wrong thoughts), as we are separated from it as we are in daytime (we do not normally have any kind of "installed" thoughts, that completely don't match the reality).

Originally Posted by eleggua

In Lithuanian there is only one word describing the subject - pasąmonė, and it means subconsciuosness. Unconsciuosness should be translated as nesąmonė, but this word already means nonsense. )) So no one uses it...

I don't agree with the second part of StaySharp's post just because I don't believe in this kind of subconsciousness. I have no proof it doesn't exists, but there is also no proof that it does. Or there is? I would be grateful if someone will make any reference to any kind of it.

If there is no proof, I think discussion will be pointless.

I'm pretty sure there is some proof. But I don't know in which kind of subconsciousness you believe, so I don't know what I'm dealing with, or with what part of my opinion you disagree exactly. Mind explaining it so I can give it another shot?

Originally Posted by eleggua

If scenery is created out of thoughts and feelings, it still doesn't deny that we can't mistaken when making conclusions about the dreamworld. If a personality in a dream is real, then we don't dream our thoughts as we dream the view. So when we are making strange conclusions, it is not because subconsciousness makes us think like that (I mean, "installs" in our head absolutely wrong thoughts), as we are separated from it as we are in daytime (we do not normally have any kind of "installed" thoughts, that completely don't match the reality).

I can just answer again with one thing on this. Of course you can come to false conclusion, like you always can when jumping to conclusions. You need to know yourself to a certain degree and you need to be able to filter exactly this useless data you're talking about. If that's not possible I agree with you that in that case dream analysis makes absolutely no sense. I'm pretty much in unison with myself and there isn't a lot left I could learn about myself, and hence my dreams are only filled with entertainment, random thought's or other stuff. Nothing worth of dream analysis.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

I'm pretty sure there is some proof. But I don't know in which kind of subconsciousness you believe, so I don't know what I'm dealing with, or with what part of my opinion you disagree exactly. Mind explaining it so I can give it another shot?

For me subconsciousness is something, that we are not aware of, but can be. Everything we can't be aware of just do not exist, because there is no any evidence to think that it does. Physical subconsciousness for me is absolutely different from a subconsciousness, these are just the same words, but completely different meanings. A subconsciousness is related only to thinking and emotions. The only reason why emotions look like being subconscious is that we are sometimes not aware of the thoughts from which emotions arise, but we can be (I'm Beck's fan ) ). When someone says that the dreamworld arises from subconsciousness, I think only about physical subconsciousness. It means that we see some characters in our dreams just because they dominate in our memory (we have seen them very often, thought about them), or just accidentally. It is possible that there is any relation between a dreamview and mind except the one I have mentioned, but I haven't seen any evidence of this.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

I can just answer again with one thing on this. Of course you can come to false conclusion, like you always can when jumping to conclusions. You need to know yourself to a certain degree and you need to be able to filter exactly this useless data you're talking about. If that's not possible I agree with you that in that case dream analysis makes absolutely no sense. I'm pretty much in unison with myself and there isn't a lot left I could learn about myself, and hence my dreams are only filled with entertainment, random thought's or other stuff. Nothing worth of dream analysis.

I do not know if it is possible or not to filter useless data. Maybe it is. But nobody does it when analyzing dreams... So I mean all the known ways of dream analyzing do not filter useless data, so they should be wrong. ) Not all the possible ways.

Originally Posted by eleggua

For me subconsciousness is something, that we are not aware of, but can be. Everything we can't be aware of just do not exist, because there is no any evidence to think that it does. Physical subconsciousness for me is absolutely different from a subconsciousness, these are just the same words, but completely different meanings. A subconsciousness is related only to thinking and emotions. The only reason why emotions look like being subconscious is that we are sometimes not aware of the thoughts from which emotions arise, but we can be (I'm Beck's fan ) ). When someone says that the dreamworld arises from subconsciousness, I think only about physical subconsciousness. It means that we see some characters in our dreams just because they dominate in our memory (we have seen them very often, thought about them), or just accidentally. It is possible that there is any relation between a dreamview and mind except the one I have mentioned, but I haven't seen any evidence of this.

I agree on physical and mental subconsciousness being something totally different. But I tend to see them as 2 sides of one coin, solely for the physical reason they both reside inside the brain and both describe things we might not be aware of. And they are both linked, just like all other parts of a lifeform are linked in some way.
But I would disagree on the point of dreams arising solely from the physical subconsciousness. Memorys aren't simply statistical data like on a harddrive. Memorys themselves are always connected to emotions and thoughts, some from the consciousness and some from the subconsciousness, the mental at that. And what appears in your dreams also doesn't have to do anything with what dominates your memory at all. I can "abuse" myself as an example for that. What dominates my memory barely appears in my dreams at all. My dreams nearly always consist of random data picked together for todays dream and I'm usually pretty emotionless in my dreams, and that's also the reason I have a harder time to get awareness into my dreams than other people. But whenever it isn't random data in my dreams they might be suddenly full of emotions, in some cases even far stronger than things I ever felt in waking life. Just assuming your dreams arise from your physical subconsciousness, you would be COMPLETELY devoid of emotions, I don't think that's the case.

Originally Posted by eleggua

I do not know if it is possible or not to filter useless data. Maybe it is. But nobody does it when analyzing dreams... So I mean all the known ways of dream analyzing do not filter useless data, so they should be wrong. ) Not all the possible ways.

To put it simply it is theoretically always possible to filter useless data, to make it work practically you just need to know how. I'm pretty dead sure I'm capable of doing so for myself, just that since I'm always honest with my emotions and the fact I specifically care about being in unison with myself I don't have anything much to analyze. Everthing I can analyze just tells me something I already know, and that's not the case for everyone.
And what makes you think nobody does it? I do it every single time I think about a dream.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

But I would disagree on the point of dreams arising solely from the physical subconsciousness. Memorys aren't simply statistical data like on a harddrive. Memorys themselves are always connected to emotions and thoughts, some from the consciousness and some from the subconsciousness, the mental at that.

What kind of connection it is? For example?

Originally Posted by StaySharp

And what appears in your dreams also doesn't have to do anything with what dominates your memory at all. I can "abuse" myself as an example for that. What dominates my memory barely appears in my dreams at all. My dreams nearly always consist of random data picked together for todays dream and I'm usually pretty emotionless in my dreams, and that's also the reason I have a harder time to get awareness into my dreams than other people. But whenever it isn't random data in my dreams they might be suddenly full of emotions, in some cases even far stronger than things I ever felt in waking life. Just assuming your dreams arise from your physical subconsciousness, you would be COMPLETELY devoid of emotions, I don't think that's the case.

I didn't get why you would have no emotions. When I see something in a real world, it is just "statistical data", which arises from physical subconsciousness, but I do have emotions.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

To put it simply it is theoretically always possible to filter useless data, to make it work practically you just need to know how. I'm pretty dead sure I'm capable of doing so for myself, just that since I'm always honest with my emotions and the fact I specifically care about being in unison with myself I don't have anything much to analyze. Everthing I can analyze just tells me something I already know, and that's not the case for everyone.
And what makes you think nobody does it? I do it every single time I think about a dream.

When you dream that X is looking like Y, you do not analyze the connection between this two people? You analyze only actual dream, I mean the view you have seen?

Originally Posted by eleggua

What kind of connection it is? For example?

Currently lifeforms such as humans are one picture with several aspects which are all linked in one way or another, usually more than just a few links. It obviously depends on the situation what connection(s) is/are present. You could split the memory in two parts, one physical and statistical, one mental and emotional for example.
Example: Statistical: I was in another country a few years ago, somewhere about 1200 km away from home, living in a medium-sized house. Emotional: It was an awesome experience, I learned some stuff and It'd be okay to do it again. Further you might not be aware that your subconsciousness thinks you absolutely should repeat similar experiences a few times for certain reasons you might likewise also be unaware about.
These two aspects of the memory are strongly linked. If you think about the one aspect the other will likely come up as well, and vice versa.
What that means for dreams is pretty simple: Something might look statistical but there might be some thoughts and emotions hidden there. Vice versa having emotions without an obvious context might mean there is some hidden statistical data. That's one type of link you'd possibly be searching for while doing dream analysis.

Originally Posted by eleggua

I didn't get why you would have no emotions. When I see something in a real world, it is just "statistical data", which arises from physical subconsciousness, but I do have emotions.

That again is due to the links you have. Theoretically the very same as in dreams. The twist is, you have no or significantly less physical input from the outer world, thus a big part of your sensations within dreams has to be generated otherwise. For example out of your memory. But if you think about it a while: what you see in real life is [1] captured with your eyes, [2] processed in your physical subconsciousness and [3] transfered to your leftover aspects of mind (consciousness and mental subconsciousness) which then might apply emotions, that doesn't work for dreams.
In dreams [1] basic data (in this case at least how seeing works, and most likely more data concerning what you see) is accessed out of the memory,[2] processed with current thoughts or possibly outside sensations within your mental subconsciousness, and then [3] transfered to your physical subconsciousness, generating the sensation of seeing. Which [4] makes its way into your consciousness, wether it's currently aware/lucid or not.
Thus if you can apply dream analysis you might be able to look into your subconsciousness in a way that would prove to be hard to achieve in waking life.

Originally Posted by eleggua

When you dream that X is looking like Y, you do not analyze the connection between this two people? You analyze only actual dream, I mean the view you have seen?

It's not that easy. If you want to do it properly in order to be sure your conclusions are right, you will have to be able to see the whole picture at once without loosing track of the details. In this case it would mean seeing the persons, the links, the scenery and the situation at once and seeing the details about each aspect. And then start to search for important things while pushing back useless data.
It is possible to work with less refinement, but the less refinement, the less your chances of correct conclusions.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

What that means for dreams is pretty simple: Something might look statistical but there might be some thoughts and emotions hidden there. Vice versa having emotions without an obvious context might mean there is some hidden statistical data. That's one type of link you'd possibly be searching for while doing dream analysis.

Well, it sounds logical. Actually I do the same thing at daytime, when some situations provoke emotions I can't explain. But when I think about the situation carefully, I can realize why do I feel like this.

I can explain my dream emotions in the same way. For example, while dreaming I saw a man staring at me and felt scared. I felt scared because I thought that he wanted to kill me. I thought that he wanted to kill me because I think that men are cruel. I think like this because I made this conclusions from my real life experience. Actually this kind of dream analysis is ok, I can't argue with it. But trying to explain why the picture of man staring at me arised in my dream would be completely different.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

In dreams [1] basic data (in this case at least how seeing works, and most likely more data concerning what you see) is accessed out of the memory,[2] processed with current thoughts or possibly outside sensations within your mental subconsciousness, and then [3] transfered to your physical subconsciousness, generating the sensation of seeing. Which [4] makes its way into your consciousness, wether it's currently aware/lucid or not.
Thus if you can apply dream analysis you might be able to look into your subconsciousness in a way that would prove to be hard to achieve in waking life.

What do you think actually happens at stage [2]? Could you give an example how a dream is being created?

Originally Posted by StaySharp

It's not that easy. If you want to do it properly in order to be sure your conclusions are right, you will have to be able to see the whole picture at once without loosing track of the details. In this case it would mean seeing the persons, the links, the scenery and the situation at once and seeing the details about each aspect. And then start to search for important things while pushing back useless data.
It is possible to work with less refinement, but the less refinement, the less your chances of correct conclusions.

Also I would be grateful if you give an example of how do you analyze your dreams. Maybe a step-by-step guide too. :))

Originally Posted by eleggua

What do you think actually happens at stage [2]? Could you give an example how a dream is being created?

I'm pretty sure about my theories so far (even if I couldn't give material proof obviously) but to describe what happens at that point is fairly a difficult and different story. First of all I think it can vary extremely by the factors of type of dream, outside situation, inside situation and of course the person itself. Since I haven't had a vivid lucid yet I also haven't been able to dive that far inside of myself. I think I'd be able to come up with a personal example as soon as I either achieve my first vivid lucid or an WILD, but currently I don't think I'm knowledgable enough to go that far into the details without doing some bad mistakes or at least risking it.

Originally Posted by eleggua

Also I would be grateful if you give an example of how do you analyze your dreams. Maybe a step-by-step guide too. )

I'll give it a try. Since it's hard to go at it without example I'll take my first lucid as one: Pseudo-Lucid - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

1. I try to get an overview of the things that happened and take a look at the big things:
In the case of my dream the biggest thing is my former boarding school. It is a place I connect very positive memories with, and it is the only school I didn't regret spending my time in. I was fond of quite a few of the educators and teachers there, even though as always there were a few I didn't get along with. As expected the dream was very positive. The fact I wanted to meet up with the assumed new teachers of this boarding school most likely tells me I miss a few of the old ones as well as missing the place and the circumstances in general.
Than leter in the dream some Pokémon appeared, knowing myself I think this resembled my frustration about the fact humans are the only "sentient" lifeforms here, and they don't do a great job at that. Also it might be a hint that I miss my cat since I see it see it rather rarely currently.

2. Exclude any useless data from further consideration (for now, but don't completely forget about it, as a link might arise from further analysis):
For example the zeppelin didn't really tell me anything, it was simply an odd appearance in my dream, which fortunately got me lucid.
The construction differences also most likely didn't have any meaning.
The screen turned off effect is most likely copied from my time spending in front of the pc.

3. Take a look at the left over things:
The mission mentioned at the start: Probably random data due to some games I play, not so random was the fact the next mission was one where I could deal with everything myself, it felt like having free time after school, which is possibly also the link to the boarding school.
Flying down the stairs: I never had any flying experiences withn my dreams, even though it wasn't really flying it was the closest thing to it I ever had. I thought about it a lot and it is obviously one of the things I wan't to do within my lucid dreams. I suppose my subconsciousness catched a glimpse of that desire and made it appear in my dream.
Looking out of the window: Pretty easy, I like the place where my boarding school was and wanted to catch a view of the panorama.
The strange room after becoming lucid: If I think about this place it's a bit difficult to go on with the analysis. I personally know a lot of emotions which aren't on the scale that is usually known to humans such as joy/hate/love/sadness/admiration/intimidation/fright/etc.
Those emotions are often connected to specific otherworldly places and that place was one of them I didn't knew myself before. It was probably created due to me being lucid and creating a link between my aware consciousness and the dream. But as much as I'd like to this is as much as I can read into it without risking to jump to false conclusions.

4. Searching the "read wire":
It's actually two wires because even if it is one dream it is pretty strictly seperated into two parts, with only the link of me becoming lucid.
The first one goes from me getting the new mission to seeing the zeppelin. It's a story about me experiencing my boarding school once more and it's a bunch of positive linked experiences and memories. I realize that but I can't find any further meaning to it than the things I already discovered.
The second one goes from becoming lucid to the end of the dream. It wasn't much a story at all, I threw of the balance of the dream with my half-awareness and again I can't tell any new things apart from the mentioned things.

5. Look at the overall picture so far and search for any incrompehensible details:
That'd be the next step, but for me after doing it I can't get to any new things again.

As it arises from this I didn't learn anything new but it remembered me of a few things. For me that's generally as far as it goes in my dreams and that's also why I don't tend to have any use for dream analysis myself. The part with the room might have some meaning I don't know myself, but even if it has I'm personally not yet able to understand it.
Also it's a rough sketch of how to do it, for some dreams it might be better to make some changes to the process, which I obviously can't explain beforhand.

I have found S. LaBerge article about the subject (personality in dreams), where he writes: "Although the events we appear to perceive in dreams are illusory, our feelings in response to dream content are real. Indeed, most of the events we experience in dreams are real; when we experience feelings, say, anxiety or ecstasy, in dreams, we really do feel anxious or ecstatic at the time. When we think in dreams, we really do think (whether clearly or not is another matter). If we think in our dreams that Monday comes before Sunday, it is not the case, as some philosophers (e.g., Malcolm, 1959) assert, that we have only dreamed we thought; we may have thought incorrectly (to the usual way of thinking), but thought nonetheless." Lucid Dreaming: Psychophysiological Studies of Consciousness during REM Sleep (1990). So, those really are mistakes.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

I'll give it a try. Since it's hard to go at it without example I'll take my first lucid as one: url

1. I try to get an overview of the things that happened and take a look at the big things:
In the case of my dream the biggest thing is my former boarding school. It is a place I connect very positive memories with, and it is the only school I didn't regret spending my time in. I was fond of quite a few of the educators and teachers there, even though as always there were a few I didn't get along with. As expected the dream was very positive. The fact I wanted to meet up with the assumed new teachers of this boarding school most likely tells me I miss a few of the old ones as well as missing the place and the circumstances in general.
Than leter in the dream some Pokémon appeared, knowing myself I think this resembled my frustration about the fact humans are the only "sentient" lifeforms here, and they don't do a great job at that. Also it might be a hint that I miss my cat since I see it see it rather rarely currently.

2. Exclude any useless data from further consideration (for now, but don't completely forget about it, as a link might arise from further analysis):
For example the zeppelin didn't really tell me anything, it was simply an odd appearance in my dream, which fortunately got me lucid.
The construction differences also most likely didn't have any meaning.
The screen turned off effect is most likely copied from my time spending in front of the pc.

So data is useless when you haven't any associations with it? But if it is very deep in a subconsciousness, you also will not be able to make it clear for a consciousness. Or am I wrong?

3. Take a look at the left over things:
The mission mentioned at the start: Probably random data due to some games I play, not so random was the fact the next mission was one where I could deal with everything myself, it felt like having free time after school, which is possibly also the link to the boarding school.
Flying down the stairs: I never had any flying experiences withn my dreams, even though it wasn't really flying it was the closest thing to it I ever had. I thought about it a lot and it is obviously one of the things I wan't to do within my lucid dreams. I suppose my subconsciousness catched a glimpse of that desire and made it appear in my dream.
Looking out of the window: Pretty easy, I like the place where my boarding school was and wanted to catch a view of the panorama.
The strange room after becoming lucid: If I think about this place it's a bit difficult to go on with the analysis. I personally know a lot of emotions which aren't on the scale that is usually known to humans such as joy/hate/love/sadness/admiration/intimidation/fright/etc.
Those emotions are often connected to specific otherworldly places and that place was one of them I didn't knew myself before. It was probably created due to me being lucid and creating a link between my aware consciousness and the dream. But as much as I'd like to this is as much as I can read into it without risking to jump to false conclusions.

4. Searching the "read wire":
It's actually two wires because even if it is one dream it is pretty strictly seperated into two parts, with only the link of me becoming lucid.
The first one goes from me getting the new mission to seeing the zeppelin. It's a story about me experiencing my boarding school once more and it's a bunch of positive linked experiences and memories. I realize that but I can't find any further meaning to it than the things I already discovered.
The second one goes from becoming lucid to the end of the dream. It wasn't much a story at all, I threw of the balance of the dream with my half-awareness and again I can't tell any new things apart from the mentioned things.

5. Look at the overall picture so far and search for any incrompehensible details:
That'd be the next step, but for me after doing it I can't get to any new things again.

As it arises from this I didn't learn anything new but it remembered me of a few things. For me that's generally as far as it goes in my dreams and that's also why I don't tend to have any use for dream analysis myself. The part with the room might have some meaning I don't know myself, but even if it has I'm personally not yet able to understand it.
Also it's a rough sketch of how to do it, for some dreams it might be better to make some changes to the process, which I obviously can't explain beforhand.

I can't know which parts of your dream are just wrong conclusions, because I don't know what have you actually seen when dreaming. I can only point out things that may possibly be mistakes.

So I will just try to make mini-analysis of my LD at the beginning of the topic.

If I were telling the dream in a usual way, it would look like this:

I was in the UK, standing on the street which looked like H. Manto street, located in my home city in Lithuania. I saw people with braces and I liked them very much. Then nearby standing man, who was English, told me in Lithuanian that probably they are Lithuanians, because one of them was carrying Kalnapilis beer...

I have been dreaming myself being in the UK, and everything looked like my home. So it definitely relates to my plans about the future (I'm thinking about moving there), and maybe I also think that I will feel there like being home.

But it wasn't the UK. I actually saw my home city (the view was the same), so there were no such meanings in the dream. I thought that it was the UK just because there were too much people on the street and it looked like I was abroad. What is the first country I would think? Of course the UK, I think about it very often. So I made a wrong conclusion that I am in the UK.

That's how I see it. :))

Originally Posted by eleggua

So data is useless when you haven't any associations with it? But if it is very deep in a subconsciousness, you also will not be able to make it clear for a consciousness. Or am I wrong?

It's not necesserily useless, but the best you can do is searching for information and associations, if you don't find any you might just risk jumping to wrong conclusions. And even if there is a meaning it might be better not to try and come up with something in order not to interpret a wrong meaning into it. The sense of the whole thing might be to look into your subconsciousness but obviously it only makes sense as long as you get it right.

Originally Posted by eleggua

I can't know which parts of your dream are just wrong conclusions, because I don't know what have you actually seen when dreaming. I can only point out things that may possibly be mistakes.

So I will just try to make mini-analysis of my LD at the beginning of the topic.

If I were telling the dream in a usual way, it would look like this:

I was in the UK, standing on the street which looked like H. Manto street, located in my home city in Lithuania. I saw people with braces and I liked them very much. Then nearby standing man, who was English, told me in Lithuanian that probably they are Lithuanians, because one of them was carrying Kalnapilis beer...

I have been dreaming myself being in the UK, and everything looked like my home. So it definitely relates to my plans about the future (I'm thinking about moving there), and maybe I also think that I will feel there like being home.

But it wasn't the UK. I actually saw my home city (the view was the same), so there were no such meanings in the dream. I thought that it was the UK just because there were too much people on the street and it looked like I was abroad. What is the first country I would think? Of course the UK, I think about it very often. So I made a wrong conclusion that I am in the UK.

That's how I see it. )

Well that's one possible misconclusion, it might be a link to something but being sceptical you at least can't get it wrong. I think you're about right with that.
As said in my opinion dream analysis can be good but I'd always only enjoy it with a grain of salt.