"Try to stay calm, but this is my dream" - A discussion about Dream Characters

**Sageous** · 07-19-2011 04:05 PM

I had another thought on this subject this morning that might be worth mentioning (or rather repeating, since it’s likely been said before):

DC’s in truth are not real -- even if you are sharing a dream with someone. This is so because DC’s are constructs of your dreaming mind; of your own imagination. Even your own dreaming body is a DC invented by your dreaming mind. There’s really no way around this, since everything in a dream must by definition not be physically real.

So interrogate away, but anything you ask a DC will be answered in a manner found suitable by your dreaming mind (aka: you). If your imagination feels that your DC should appear clever, responsive, unique, or just a monochrome crowd-filler, it will. After all, it’s just doing what you want it to do!

Now let’s address the dream-sharing and “other planes” folk:

If you are sharing a dream, the image of the person you are sharing with is still not real. It is an avatar of that person, and, whether it is generated by them or you, it is still just an avatar, and is not real. The only reason it might have any consciousness or sentience is because it is reflecting the sentience of your fellow dream-sharer. Because it is just an avatar, it is subject to the whim (or ineptitude) of your or your dream sharer’s imagination, and may never reflect the real person with whom you are sharing a dream. Kind of makes getting together in a dream a little difficult, if you ask me.

And if you believe that when dreaming you travel to astral planes or what have you, you are still occupying an avatar and visiting people or places that were either invented by you or are being interpreted for you by your dreaming mind. None of it is literally real. The only real thing, by every measure living humans use to define and prove reality, is your sleeping body, back home in bed in the physical world.

The only time this would not be true is if when dreaming, your "soul" becomes a ball of thought energy or some such thing that can explore the physical universe and its occupants first hand. But that wouldn’t be a dream, would it? And besides, what then would the people you're visiting see? You? Doubtful.

Conclusion? This experiment might be fun, and is certainly an excellent exercise for any LD’er to attempt. But, since every parameter in it is created (or filtered, for the sharers and plane-travelers out there) by your dreaming mind, you will only learn exactly what your dreaming mind decides you expected to learn. And a thing is not real simply because you decided it was, whether you like it or not.

**TheEvolutionist** · 07-23-2011 07:42 AM

To sageous
I literally spend like an 45 min on my reply only for it to erased in a flash due to a foolish mistake. I was really rather pleased with myself too :'(. As someone who wants to be a writer, it really does hurt when an article your proud of disappears forever. I really don't have the morale anymore to respond to your questions I sincerely apologize. Hopefully sometime in the morning I could reply but really I wrote the perfect response and now... Damn. This will have to do. The logic you said was flawed was not my logic. I didn't say that I am proved write because it is impossible to be right. I said the only thing I can prove is that we don't know everything. I also said that everything that I wrote was my personal theory based on the interpretation of the information I had gathered on various topics ranging from science to theology. Every model of the "truth" is only what that person is able to perceive at that time. I can respect your model of how dreams work even though we disagree. I know, due to the fact that no one can be right, that I am not right, but I am OK with that and that will not stop me form creating and experimenting with my theories.

**Sageous** · 07-25-2011 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by TheEvolutionist

To sageous
I literally spend like an 45 min on my reply only for it to erased in a flash due to a foolish mistake. I was really rather pleased with myself too :'(. As someone who wants to be a writer, it really does hurt when an article your proud of disappears forever. I really don't have the morale anymore to respond to your questions I sincerely apologize. Hopefully sometime in the morning I could reply but really I wrote the perfect response and now... Damn. This will have to do. The logic you said was flawed was not my logic. I didn't say that I am proved write because it is impossible to be right. I said the only thing I can prove is that we don't know everything. I also said that everything that I wrote was my personal theory based on the interpretation of the information I had gathered on various topics ranging from science to theology. Every model of the "truth" is only what that person is able to perceive at that time. I can respect your model of how dreams work even though we disagree. I know, due to the fact that no one can be right, that I am not right, but I am OK with that and that will not stop me form creating and experimenting with my theories.

Evolutionist: Okay, I get you now, so 'nuff said about that... I do hear you on the whole deleting the reply thing -- been there, done that, myself, and I hate it -- and though I'd be delighted if you got back to addressing my questions (and thus pushing this interesting subject a bit further along), I totally understand if you never want to go there again!

**KRT** · 07-26-2011 09:35 PM

I avoid telling DCs that they're just dream figures... Got killed twice because of this, I'm sick of it. My DCs just freak out... Damn scary thing. Hope you guys have more luck