Thread: "Try to stay calm, but this is my dream" - A discussion about Dream Characters

Originally Posted by GuyCecil

Could you point out the evidence that DCs are real, besides asserting that we don't know for certain that they aren't?

The only thing I can prove is that no one on the planet knows for certain what reality consists of or its true nature. All of the other theories are just theories based on subjective experience, quantum mechanics, string theory, some Buddhist beliefs, & a little Dream Yoga but none the less are very much theories. The purpose of this thread was to get more subjective evidence in the form of maybe 10 people trying it out for a short period of time and sharing with me their result. This is not something that can be done in one dream, it is like a seed that needs to be watered everyday, the more focused you are on it the more energy & "Consciousness" you produce; or at least that's the theory. Sorry if my lack of data in unconvincing but this is just an experiment of a hypothesis to collect data.

Originally Posted by TheEvolutionist

The only thing I can prove is that no one on the planet knows for certain what reality consists of or its true nature. All of the other theories are just theories based on subjective experience, quantum mechanics, string theory, some Buddhist beliefs, & a little Dream Yoga but none the less are very much theories. The purpose of this thread was to get more subjective evidence in the form of maybe 10 people trying it out for a short period of time and sharing with me their result. This is not something that can be done in one dream, it is like a seed that needs to be watered everyday, the more focused you are on it the more energy & "Consciousness" you produce; or at least that's the theory. Sorry if my lack of data in unconvincing but this is just an experiment of a hypothesis to collect data.

So you're proving that DC's are real because no one has ever proved that anything in the world is real? Fascinating logic, there!

Can I ask two quick questions, based on your explanation?

1. Why do you think, or want to believe, that DC's are real, as opposed to a creation of your dreaming mind?

2. Given that we can't prove the true nature of anything, won't your experiment wind up being inconclusive, regardless of results? If you, and perhaps others, post answers to all your questions, won't there be a bunch of subsequent posts arguing that you imagined the whole thing, and why?

Just curious. And keep in mind I'm asking these questions not to be rude but because of your statement above... I kind of like your experiment, regardless.

I had another thought on this subject this morning that might be worth mentioning (or rather repeating, since it’s likely been said before):

DC’s in truth are not real -- even if you are sharing a dream with someone. This is so because DC’s are constructs of your dreaming mind; of your own imagination. Even your own dreaming body is a DC invented by your dreaming mind. There’s really no way around this, since everything in a dream must by definition not be physically real.

So interrogate away, but anything you ask a DC will be answered in a manner found suitable by your dreaming mind (aka: you). If your imagination feels that your DC should appear clever, responsive, unique, or just a monochrome crowd-filler, it will. After all, it’s just doing what you want it to do!

Now let’s address the dream-sharing and “other planes” folk:

If you are sharing a dream, the image of the person you are sharing with is still not real. It is an avatar of that person, and, whether it is generated by them or you, it is still just an avatar, and is not real. The only reason it might have any consciousness or sentience is because it is reflecting the sentience of your fellow dream-sharer. Because it is just an avatar, it is subject to the whim (or ineptitude) of your or your dream sharer’s imagination, and may never reflect the real person with whom you are sharing a dream. Kind of makes getting together in a dream a little difficult, if you ask me.

And if you believe that when dreaming you travel to astral planes or what have you, you are still occupying an avatar and visiting people or places that were either invented by you or are being interpreted for you by your dreaming mind. None of it is literally real. The only real thing, by every measure living humans use to define and prove reality, is your sleeping body, back home in bed in the physical world.

The only time this would not be true is if when dreaming, your "soul" becomes a ball of thought energy or some such thing that can explore the physical universe and its occupants first hand. But that wouldn’t be a dream, would it? And besides, what then would the people you're visiting see? You? Doubtful.

Conclusion? This experiment might be fun, and is certainly an excellent exercise for any LD’er to attempt. But, since every parameter in it is created (or filtered, for the sharers and plane-travelers out there) by your dreaming mind, you will only learn exactly what your dreaming mind decides you expected to learn. And a thing is not real simply because you decided it was, whether you like it or not.