Thread: "Try to stay calm, but this is my dream" - A discussion about Dream Characters

Originally Posted by TheEvolutionist

Because I haven't had a lucid dreams I could explore yet is probably the reason I can say this but I am still not really convinced that DC's are not real. I was reading KingYoshi's DJ and the more and more I read it the more and more I believe that to say that DC's aren't real is just not fair to say considering the lack of knowledge, information, & experimentation we all have with dreaming(most people anyway). Until there is a collective of evidential data, the question of whether or not DC's are real is very debatable, hell the question of what "real" is is very debatable. I remember reading in Yoshi's DJ that some DC's knew before he did that they were "lucid" or in a dream, some of then even knew what a lucid person could do, and some of them could do some of lucid abilities. One thing that really interested me was when Yoshi wrote about playing on a Socom map, one of the DC's knew that he was dreaming and said something about a device that suppressed the Lucid Powers. Doing what all of us would do he thought "f*** that" and attempted to fly, not soon after he felt a shock through his entire body and fell to the ground. I'm still don't quite understand what could do that to a Dreamer, if during your dream the world is influenced by your mind & focus wouldn't all you would need to do it focus on having your Powers or focus on the plate vanishing. However that didn't happen he heard the suggestion from the DC that the plates restrict abilities but he consciously said he did not want to abide by those rules but he was forced to, or he just didn't mind being restricted but I know I sure as hell would. In my humble opinion it almost sounds like someone in the Dream World constructed a device that hinders the abilities of a dreamer, what on or off Earth could do that. Who knows, maybe the Dreams World goes on when no one is dreaming, maybe when we dream we just go to the Dream World and play in the sandbox that it is, and maybe there were already people in the sandbox before we got there. This is just a theory however and a theory without evidence is a belief but I plan to test many of theories when the day finally comes that I can induce lucid dreams.

Hmmm... It would be interesting if the DC's are real. Really, I would kind of like it that way. In a sense, I think that they are real, they just happen to live in your dreams. Perhaps we are even dream characters of someone else's dream.

Anyways, It's mostly just the DC's that look like my family that I want to tell them aren't real, or at least aren't my real family. I just get mad when i mistake other dream characters for dreamers.

Originally Posted by Kaira

Hmmm... It would be interesting if the DC's are real. Really, I would kind of like it that way. In a sense, I think that they are real, they just happen to live in your dreams. Perhaps we are even dream characters of someone else's dream.

Anyways, It's mostly just the DC's that look like my family that I want to tell them aren't real, or at least aren't my real family. I just get mad when i mistake other dream characters for dreamers.

Let this be perfectly clear to everyone, science, & most of the world for that matter, does not know much about dreams. Yes, there is Dream Yoga & Tibetan Monks that can provide a good basis of understanding but they are not perfect and do not know all there is to know and they know they don't know everything about dreams. The truth requires evidence, evidence is not limited to objective physical evidence, and the more people you have that find the same evidence the more sure you can be that you have truth and knowledge. We are all ignorant about dreams and that is OK for now because we are also ignorant about many other things in the Physical world but the more truth and knowledge one gains the easier it is to gain more knowledge.
Like I said to say DC's are not real is ignorant; you can't say that for sure because you really don't have much collective evidence that they aren't. All I'm saying is be open-minded, people discover new things every day & I wouldn't be suprised if one of the things we discover in the near future is that DC's are, at some level or another, "Real."
A question I pose for all of those reading, feel free to post you opinion on here; What makes something "Real?" For the longest time Science has said that for something to be real you have to be able to examine it with one of our senses & it has to be objectively measurable. However with science like quantum Physics & scientists like Dr. Thomas Campbell that school of thought is being challenge & it is my humble opinion that formal science is losing.

Originally Posted by TheEvolutionist

Let this be perfectly clear to everyone, science, & most of the world for that matter, does not know much about dreams. Yes, there is Dream Yoga & Tibetan Monks that can provide a good basis of understanding but they are not perfect and do not know all there is to know and they know they don't know everything about dreams. The truth requires evidence, evidence is not limited to objective physical evidence, and the more people you have that find the same evidence the more sure you can be that you have truth and knowledge. We are all ignorant about dreams and that is OK for now because we are also ignorant about many other things in the Physical world but the more truth and knowledge one gains the easier it is to gain more knowledge.
Like I said to say DC's are not real is ignorant; you can't say that for sure because you really don't have much collective evidence that they aren't. All I'm saying is be open-minded, people discover new things every day & I wouldn't be suprised if one of the things we discover in the near future is that DC's are, at some level or another, "Real."
A question I pose for all of those reading, feel free to post you opinion on here; What makes something "Real?" For the longest time Science has said that for something to be real you have to be able to examine it with one of our senses & it has to be objectively measurable. However with science like quantum Physics & scientists like Dr. Thomas Campbell that school of thought is being challenge & it is my humble opinion that formal science is losing.

Could you point out the evidence that DCs are real, besides asserting that we don't know for certain that they aren't?

Originally Posted by GuyCecil

Could you point out the evidence that DCs are real, besides asserting that we don't know for certain that they aren't?

The only thing I can prove is that no one on the planet knows for certain what reality consists of or its true nature. All of the other theories are just theories based on subjective experience, quantum mechanics, string theory, some Buddhist beliefs, & a little Dream Yoga but none the less are very much theories. The purpose of this thread was to get more subjective evidence in the form of maybe 10 people trying it out for a short period of time and sharing with me their result. This is not something that can be done in one dream, it is like a seed that needs to be watered everyday, the more focused you are on it the more energy & "Consciousness" you produce; or at least that's the theory. Sorry if my lack of data in unconvincing but this is just an experiment of a hypothesis to collect data.

Originally Posted by TheEvolutionist

The only thing I can prove is that no one on the planet knows for certain what reality consists of or its true nature. All of the other theories are just theories based on subjective experience, quantum mechanics, string theory, some Buddhist beliefs, & a little Dream Yoga but none the less are very much theories. The purpose of this thread was to get more subjective evidence in the form of maybe 10 people trying it out for a short period of time and sharing with me their result. This is not something that can be done in one dream, it is like a seed that needs to be watered everyday, the more focused you are on it the more energy & "Consciousness" you produce; or at least that's the theory. Sorry if my lack of data in unconvincing but this is just an experiment of a hypothesis to collect data.

So you're proving that DC's are real because no one has ever proved that anything in the world is real? Fascinating logic, there!

Can I ask two quick questions, based on your explanation?

1. Why do you think, or want to believe, that DC's are real, as opposed to a creation of your dreaming mind?

2. Given that we can't prove the true nature of anything, won't your experiment wind up being inconclusive, regardless of results? If you, and perhaps others, post answers to all your questions, won't there be a bunch of subsequent posts arguing that you imagined the whole thing, and why?

Just curious. And keep in mind I'm asking these questions not to be rude but because of your statement above... I kind of like your experiment, regardless.

I had another thought on this subject this morning that might be worth mentioning (or rather repeating, since it’s likely been said before):

DC’s in truth are not real -- even if you are sharing a dream with someone. This is so because DC’s are constructs of your dreaming mind; of your own imagination. Even your own dreaming body is a DC invented by your dreaming mind. There’s really no way around this, since everything in a dream must by definition not be physically real.

So interrogate away, but anything you ask a DC will be answered in a manner found suitable by your dreaming mind (aka: you). If your imagination feels that your DC should appear clever, responsive, unique, or just a monochrome crowd-filler, it will. After all, it’s just doing what you want it to do!

Now let’s address the dream-sharing and “other planes” folk:

If you are sharing a dream, the image of the person you are sharing with is still not real. It is an avatar of that person, and, whether it is generated by them or you, it is still just an avatar, and is not real. The only reason it might have any consciousness or sentience is because it is reflecting the sentience of your fellow dream-sharer. Because it is just an avatar, it is subject to the whim (or ineptitude) of your or your dream sharer’s imagination, and may never reflect the real person with whom you are sharing a dream. Kind of makes getting together in a dream a little difficult, if you ask me.

And if you believe that when dreaming you travel to astral planes or what have you, you are still occupying an avatar and visiting people or places that were either invented by you or are being interpreted for you by your dreaming mind. None of it is literally real. The only real thing, by every measure living humans use to define and prove reality, is your sleeping body, back home in bed in the physical world.

The only time this would not be true is if when dreaming, your "soul" becomes a ball of thought energy or some such thing that can explore the physical universe and its occupants first hand. But that wouldn’t be a dream, would it? And besides, what then would the people you're visiting see? You? Doubtful.

Conclusion? This experiment might be fun, and is certainly an excellent exercise for any LD’er to attempt. But, since every parameter in it is created (or filtered, for the sharers and plane-travelers out there) by your dreaming mind, you will only learn exactly what your dreaming mind decides you expected to learn. And a thing is not real simply because you decided it was, whether you like it or not.