Subconsious trying to keep us from being lucid?

I know I am a newbie so you might want to disregard this, but from what I can tell the subconsious tries to keep us from becoming lucid in our dreams. Does anyone know why?

I personally have experience with this, and have talked to other people about it and they say they've experienced it as well. Some I've had are, becoming lucid and all the DCs around you just rush at you and attack you, or you'll talk to someone and ask? "Am I dreaming?" and they'll say no, and if you push it they'll do most anything to try to keep you nonlucid. My question is...Why?

This seems to happen, and I have no idea why. Maybe it's because, your subconscious comes up with the dream setting and scenario as though it's supposed to be real life, so it 'wants' you to continue thinking it's real life, and the dream's value is taken away if you declare that it isn't. I guess the real answer might depend on what the purpose of dreaming is in the first place, if there is a purpose. For example, if one of the purposes of dreaming is to set up scenarios which make you face your fears, your subconscious might create a situation and 'plan' for you to face a fear. But then you realize you're dreaming, so now your consciousness is in control of what happens and your subconscious gets 'angry' because its plans for you are ruined.

Some say you can "speak" to your subconscious in a LD. Maybe someone could ask theirs.

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Originally Posted by tigerstar186

I know I am a newbie so you might want to disregard this, but from what I can tell the subconsious tries to keep us from becoming lucid in our dreams. Does anyone know why?

I personally have experience with this, and have talked to other people about it and they say they've experienced it as well. Some I've had are, becoming lucid and all the DCs around you just rush at you and attack you, or you'll talk to someone and ask? "Am I dreaming?" and they'll say no, and if you push it they'll do most anything to try to keep you nonlucid. My question is...Why?

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i dont personally think anything is holding you back from lucid dreaming. the way i look at it when your dreaming your sub-conciouse mind comes into action while your conciouse mind rests. So Sub-con mind takes over which is somehting you dont have control over. "when governments catch spies they give them a drug, which puts your sub-counciouse mind at work, meaning they will get an answer to whatever question they want, as the drug blocks out your conciouse mind"

meaning you have to install the intent of wanting to become lucid, so that thought which enters your sub conciouse plays at out in your dream at some point, which would bring the realization so you can trigger your conciouse mind to become active.

your conciouse mind is responsible for thinking, reasoning etc your sub conciouse feeds all the information to your brain from what you have heard, seen, taste and other senses etc.

thats why when you have dreams even if your flying, wlaking on water and whatever other wierd things lucidity doesnt trigger as your subconciouse doesnt do reasoning it just goes along with everything as if its reality. so thats why people use methods for lucid dreaming as that info needs to be installed in your sub conciouse

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Originally Posted by Rawracookie

Some say you can "speak" to your subconscious in a LD. Maybe someone could ask theirs.

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Hmm seems quite interesting
I've talked to a DC (Best Friend) I said Man Its cool that I'm dreaming he's sitting next to me & has this blank face on him like Huh? than says Your not dreaming then I stared at him for a second with a WTF face then walked off

I think that the reason it may do that is because secretly you feel it is wrong in some way, or perhaps you decided secretly the subconscious will do that when you realize "Hey, I'm dreaming!" ?

I tend to think that dream characters will say what you would expect someone to say in real life. If you say to somebody you meet in waking life "this is a dream" they will likely say "no it isn't" and act like you are crazy. If you try to act on your percieved lucidity, people will likely try to tackle you and call the police. Why should dream characters behave any different?

Now, a couple of times it has seemed like things have been conspiring to keep me non-lucid. First, all my reality checks started failing. Then I had false awakenings upon gaining lucidity. I learned to outsmart those, and then I had to contend with the Void that seemed to happen after being lucid for a few moments. I am learning to overcome that, and now other things are happening within the dream itself. In one dream, I was "paged" by a hospital, and convinced that I should not risk my patient's life by thinking I am dreaming (I'm not even a doctor, by the way). Last night I was smacked in the face by a DC until I woke up.

These things may just be coincidences. Last night for instance the guy who beat me up was a villain to begin with. But, it is enough to make me suspicious.