Thread: Opening your mind through a lucid dream.

A few quick problems with the theory: one, the idea of expanding use of a mind from 10% - 100% is preposterous, only because we always use 100% of our brains. The rumor came from the fact that people have functioned without a good majority of their brains (from bullet to the head-trauma). But they didn't quite function well. A brain is a delicate and interdependent organ, and it is extreme oversimplification to just say that we could "use the other 90%."

That's not to say that brain usage can't be improved though. You are always using all of your brain, or close to it, but certain parts of your brain might not be working as well as they could, and a release of a certain chemical would fix that. Is it possible to alter chemical release in your brain through actions without intake? Yes, through placebo, and the fact that I've experienced highs from drugs in my dreams is good enough personal experience to say that it is completely possible.

So yes, I believe you could alter your brain from within a dream through a control room, and improve your brain functions, make yourself more attentive, smarter, faster, etc. I don't think it would be as complicated as you think though. A control room in a dream works as everything else in a dream would. If I made a control room in a dream, and I said "This button makes my dreams more vivid" then it would, but I could just as easily say it will wake my up if I press it. The functions of the buttons would be variable, not static, imo.

But yeah, that is a good idea, a control room for the mind in a LD is pretty creative, and a good way to symbolize and control certain parts of your brain.

Originally Posted by shiraniaori

A few quick problems with the theory: one, the idea of expanding use of a mind from 10% - 100% is preposterous, only because we always use 100% of our brains. The rumor came from the fact that people have functioned without a good majority of their brains (from bullet to the head-trauma). But they didn't quite function well. A brain is a delicate and interdependent organ, and it is extreme oversimplification to just say that we could "use the other 90%."

That's not to say that brain usage can't be improved though. You are always using all of your brain, or close to it, but certain parts of your brain might not be working as well as they could, and a release of a certain chemical would fix that. Is it possible to alter chemical release in your brain through actions without intake? Yes, through placebo, and the fact that I've experienced highs from drugs in my dreams is good enough personal experience to say that it is completely possible.

So yes, I believe you could alter your brain from within a dream through a control room, and improve your brain functions, make yourself more attentive, smarter, faster, etc. I don't think it would be as complicated as you think though. A control room in a dream works as everything else in a dream would. If I made a control room in a dream, and I said "This button makes my dreams more vivid" then it would, but I could just as easily say it will wake my up if I press it. The functions of the buttons would be variable, not static, imo.

But yeah, that is a good idea, a control room for the mind in a LD is pretty creative, and a good way to symbolize and control certain parts of your brain.

Hmm, well if you recall I put a question mark at the part were I said we use 12%, which I put because honestly I don't know, that's just what I have always been told, I'd have to research it myself, but I'm already doing alot of other research and reading. Thanks for your input, I welcome any questioning and criticism, I'm just a teenager full of ideas, and other people are often full of information I may not be aware of, that's why I joined this site, to get other peoples input/opinions. So thank you, I'll be posting other ideas and thoughts, I'd love to get your, and others inputs on.

.. Finally someone who had the same idea as me..

The first time I heard about LDing, I thought about creating a special room where I could change things and see if they had an effect IRL.. Like a control room. Unfortunately I never got time to implement the idea..

I like the idea because just like they are specific mechanisms you can use to access your head: Hypnosis, LDing etc... It would be interesting if you could use these mechanisms to help have a degree of control over some parts of your mind... Like the Subconcious..

Although, I'm not saying it works or not.. In fact I haven't got a ruddy clue..

The way, I sometimes see it... Is if you believe your Mind to fit into the analogy of a computer.. And LDing/Hypnosis to be the User Interface/OS: AKA a neater way of accessing/controlling the hardware/mind.. You might be able to ask the brain to do something, and it can do the labour..

I agree with the over simplification part.. But just like you said.. In the place of a placebo, you can try it out with an LD.. I don't know if it'll work though..

Hehehe well, there are several ways you can look at it all, just depends on your perspective, I am aware this was an oversimplification, to have gone into great detail would have taken hours and I was far to tired to go into any kind of scientific junction about the hole mess, but really, it can be made very simply if you choose to let it be, I'm a firm believer in everything being what you make of it, this could be extremely challenging or complicated if you choose to make it that way, or quite fascinatingly easy in my opinion "believe you can, believe you can't; either way, your right" - Henry Ford, just something to keep in mind. Once I gain a better control of my dreams I am going to try this for sure, it's on the top my list of things to do! Just last night I had my first lucid dream but unfortunately though I recognized I was dreaming I didn't remember to do anything, and I slipped back into regular dream mode just as quickly as I has left it

Yeah, I was trying to be informative and give my opinion, didn't mean to sound aggressive or condescending or anything.

I figured the oversimplification was on purpose, but I just wanted to spread the word that you don't only use 10-20% of your brain like a lot of people say (I've found quite a few reliable sources for this, but then again, they could have been misled too, without the research your word is as good as mine), while also saying that I still think it could open up your mind.

I certainly think it's a good idea, and I'll try it out some time, check my DJ in a week or 2, but what would I do in the control room? I could think of a lever for brain usage (bringing it from 10% or 50% to 100%) or using it to increase awareness, but did you have any goals in mind? I'd love to be a test subject.

Also, congrats on your first lucid.

Originally Posted by shiraniaori

Yeah, I was trying to be informative and give my opinion, didn't mean to sound aggressive or condescending or anything.

I figured the oversimplification was on purpose, but I just wanted to spread the word that you don't only use 10-20% of your brain like a lot of people say (I've found quite a few reliable sources for this, but then again, they could have been misled too, without the research your word is as good as mine), while also saying that I still think it could open up your mind.

I certainly think it's a good idea, and I'll try it out some time, check my DJ in a week or 2, but what would I do in the control room? I could think of a lever for brain usage (bringing it from 10% or 50% to 100%) or using it to increase awareness, but did you have any goals in mind? I'd love to be a test subject.

Also, congrats on your first lucid.

Well no worries, you definitely didn't come off that way
And yes, good point hahahahaha I'm not exactly too worried about it though,
I could have all the facts, and someone would still disagree xD
But yes I do! I had one specific goal that gave me the idea, I have always envied extremely artistic people.
To an extent mind you, I know they don't tend to be very level headed, or good at much anything else.
So I wanted to create a control room of my mind, and like up my artistic and creative brain section par say.
It's not that I am not creative at all, but like, I would love to be able to look at something, and see it differently.
Do you know what I mean? When I draw, I have trouble imagining someone, or something, in any other way than how it is.
And then there was definitely awareness, I have already been working on that, but to be able to just up it in my dream, rather than this long annoying process I'm learning would be, the bomb! I am just too logical. Which isn't bad, I have my moments outta the box though, trust me xD I just wish they were, more often.
And yess thank you! I plan to work on at least recognizing I am dreaming like I did, in every dream, then once I get good at that, worry about taking control. I feel taking it one step at a time will be much more rewarding in the end.

Hm, I'd say this is more of a hypothesis rather than a theory (since it's something you'd like to test without any background information), but this does sound interesting.

Definitely get going on getting those lucids, and probably do a quick study on the basic anatomy of the brain. Know where everything is so that you know where to control it. Say I want to control my appetite, target the hypothalamus which serves as a function that dictates drive (hunger, addictions, etc).

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My thoughts exactly. I was planning on learning the function of the various parts of the brain, to get a better description of what I'd be altering.

Well the hypothalamus in my example isn't presented here, I believe it's within the Temporal Lobe, which also holds memory. I'd say just do a quick google or even wikipedia on these sections. The nervous system (motor function) I believe is in between the parietal lobe and the frontal lobe (or prefrontal cortex) but it's not displayed.

Originally Posted by louie54

Hm, I'd say this is more of a hypothesis rather than a theory (since it's something you'd like to test without any background information), but this does sound interesting.

Definitely get going on getting those lucids, and probably do a quick study on the basic anatomy of the brain. Know where everything is so that you know where to control it. Say I want to control my appetite, target the hypothalamus which serves as a function that dictates drive (hunger, addictions, etc).

Hehe, well my brain knows which section does which thing, even if I don't(I think xD), so I don't think I'd need to, I'd just need to tell myself, this switch does "insert here". Or so that's my, hypothesis, or theory, or hell it could be a banana, jam sandwich as far as i know

Hehehe, well thank you for trying to help, I guess it wouldn't hurt to learn a little about it. I got plenty of time before I will have enough control anyhow ^^

Here's the brain stem.

Fun fact: Dream content is generated in the Pons area and is sent to the forebrain (prefrontal cortex, occipital lobe, all that) for analysis.

Or you can do it the easy way I suppose. Just pull a switch!

I always did find the brain to be the most attractive organ hahaha

Lol, you just love using them emoticons, huh?

Originally Posted by louie54

Lol, you just love using them emoticons, huh?

Bahahahahahaha, you got me gotta enjoy the little things man!

Lol,

I'm pretty sure you use all most all of your brain and not just 10%.

But I think that LD or any higher states can figuratively and not physically expand your mind. Like if your LDs become vivid and real enough you could learn something from them or use it to practice a skill.

Like if your an artist you could use LD for inspiration. Or you could use LDs to practice social skills like public speaking. Kinda like rehearsal and overtime would eliminate any sort of fear. Maybe even use it to getting over any other fear through Lucid dreaming.

Originally Posted by Ganjaaah

I'm pretty sure you use all most all of your brain and not just 10%.

But I think that LD or any higher states can figuratively and not physically expand your mind. Like if your LDs become vivid and real enough you could learn something from them or use it to practice a skill.

Like if your an artist you could use LD for inspiration. Or you could use LDs to practice social skills like public speaking. Kinda like rehearsal and overtime would eliminate any sort of fear. Maybe even use it to getting over any other fear through Lucid dreaming.

Yeah, i mean Idk, I am just a strong believer in the saying Believe you can, believe you can't; Either way, your right. The placebo affect maybe, the brain is quite complex, and will never be fully understood.

But to get to the control room you must go through the scariest thing that your mind can form and overcome it!




DONT READ: Just saying so if you believe me it will happen.

I don't think a control room or button would be the best solution. Machines are notoriously unpredictable in dreams.

Originally Posted by Raetin

But to get to the control room you must go through the scariest thing that your mind can form and overcome it!




DONT READ: Just saying so if you believe me it will happen.

DAMN, I hate it when someone does that..

Whenever a person tells me about something like that, it ALWAYS happens.. Damn you!...

Originally Posted by Raetin

But to get to the control room you must go through the scariest thing that your mind can form and overcome it!




DONT READ: Just saying so if you believe me it will happen.

That is some people's experience, most of it is in your head(haha, no duh ^^, it's a dream)

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I don't think a control room or button would be the best solution. Machines are notoriously unpredictable in dreams.

Well, everyone has different experiences ya know, and well, there are other ways to go about it, this was just the simplest and easiest to comprehend.

What Judge said. Quite honestly, I find most of the "notorious problems" with dreams are mostly myths. For example, I have adjusted lighting and using just about any electronic without fail. I certainly think a simple button or switch/lever/whatever would work in a room full of them, because it's a simple cause and effect for your brain to think of.

This button does that. I hit this button, cool that happened. Done.

EDIT: Also, it seems like people are just trying to make this harder. RB, you trolling?