Can you create your own Dream Guide?

[RavenOfShadow]

Im curious to see if people think they can create DGs, or simply find them? I've often heard the phrase "I'm sick of waiting, so I'll just create my own", but I personally feel that "creating" a DG means that its not a Dream Guide at all... Thoughts?

[Astaroth]

Isn't finding them just the same as creating them? Even though you find a dream guide in a bar your brain had also created it, so I don't see the difference. I found mine expecting it to be in my living room, I opened the door and an old man was on the sofa waiting for me, but he told me nothing, just stupid things without sense.

[RavenOfShadow]

I guess it really depends on what you think a Dream Guide is, and thats what im curious about hearing from people. Some say its your unbridled subconscious, some say its an external entity, and some say its not even real. When I say create I mean someone standing in a lucid dream and crafting their ideal dream guide, to be more specific.

[Astaroth]

Well if you think it's an external entity you wouldn't be able to create it, it wouldn't be a real dream guide but some false entity which - because you wanted it - fakes being the actual dream guide. Now if you thing it's just like any DC it's the same creating it from nothing and finding it, as it's just one more DC which acts as you expected it to act.

[dutchraptor]

I'm not spiritual, nor do I believe that DGs are anything more than everyday dream characters. People get confused sometimes by how a DG might just work, and then start labeling them "unbridled unconscious" etc. The most logical explanation would be that dream guides act as an amplifier to intended beliefs an actions, by assuming the role of a wise and powerful character. Working through a feedback loop utilized to fool the brain, you ask a question you know the answer too, but wish not to believe it or believe something else, the DG representing "truth" and "honesty" will then answer your question with the answer you wish to hear (this does not rule out the possibility for a DG to say something unexpected, you do not need to know the answer in it's entirety). Essentially the DG allows the dreamer to reason and argue with himself, but without feeling that his arguments are overly biased. The annoying part is that understanding that the DG knows no more than you, refutes it's purpose to a large extent. Of course logical reasoning will usually get you further anyways if you place some trust in your own descisions, not to mention that dream guides can still be wonderfully diverse companions. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that dream guides can be more than DC's, though based on my own extensive experience with dream guides I'm inclined to say they aren't.

[AnotherDreamer]

I'm not spiritual, nor do I believe that DGs are anything more than everyday dream characters. People get confused sometimes by how a DG might just work, and then start labeling them "unbridled unconscious" etc. The most logical explanation would be that dream guides act as an amplifier to intended beliefs an actions, by assuming the role of a wise and powerful character. Working through a feedback loop utilized to fool the brain, you ask a question you know the answer too, but wish not to believe it or believe something else, the DG representing "truth" and "honesty" will then answer your question with the answer you wish to hear (this does not rule out the possibility for a DG to say something unexpected, you do not need to know the answer in it's entirety). Essentially the DG allows the dreamer to reason and argue with himself, but without feeling that his arguments are overly biased. The annoying part is that understanding that the DG knows no more than you, refutes it's purpose to a large extent. Of course logical reasoning will usually get you further anyways if you place some trust in your own descisions, not to mention that dream guides can still be wonderfully diverse companions. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that dream guides can be more than DC's, though based on my own extensive experience with dream guides I'm inclined to say they aren't. I don't believe that dream guides have to be more than DC's to give insightful, interesting information. I don't think you are accounting for the increased levels of creativity that we have while in dreams. I am guessing the OP is saying that walking up to some random DC and calling it a dream guide is creating a DG? I have tried that a lot and I have usually gotten pretty bad results regarding their coherence. I have created a DG before though that I called Mr. God. I made him up while I was awake, gave him characteristics, and even an image. I was able to summon him and he was wise/powerful/everything I wanted. I think dream guides are a way that we can tap into our creativity and latent power. No idea if they could be an external entity, I haven't personally seen enough evidence to convince me 100% that such a thing happens.

[dutchraptor]

I don't believe that dream guides have to be more than DC's to give insightful, interesting information. I don't think you are accounting for the increased levels of creativity that we have while in dreams. Ummm...I never said anything about a DC not being able to give insightful or interesting information, I'm saying that the information for the eventual conclusion of the DC is already present in the brain. The DG is merely a tool, like logical reason which helps you reach that conclusion.

[Sageous]

You can create anything you desire in a dream. So, if you desire a dream guide, you will get a dream guide. And yes, if you desire it to tell you deep and meaningful things, it will indeed tell you deep and meaningful things -- but, as Dutchraptor already said, keep in mind that you already knew those deep and meaningful things before your DG told you!

[AnotherDreamer]

You can create anything you desire in a dream. So, if you desire a dream guide, you will get a dream guide. And yes, if you desire it to tell you deep and meaningful things, it will indeed tell you deep and meaningful things -- but, as Dutchraptor already said, keep in mind that you already knew those deep and meaningful things before your DG told you! What does that say about the deep and meaningful things that we don't know we already know damn we're pretty cool.

[Sageous]

What does that say about the deep and meaningful things that we don't know we already know damn we're pretty cool. So true!

[Sensei]

It depends on what you believe a dream guide's composition is. Some believe that they are beings that will show themselves to you when they have deemed you worthy (or at other times). Others (like me) believe that they are simply DCs that you put your focus and belief in that what they say is true and that they will stay persistent (like a persistent realm), no mysticism, just a fun way around some barriers, which is what I believe that LDing is... breaking mental barriers and creating pathways instead of road blocks. The first would be impossible to create, but you could "make desirable conditions" The second is believing that all DGs are your creation.

[RavenOfShadow]

Awesome responses, thanks so much guys. Great to get some insight into some of you lucid dreaming heavy-hitters. I have personally always thought a DG would have to present itself to me, and that I couldn't just summon it, but many of you make good points. It could definitely be that DG lore has been popularized by more mystic seeking dreamers. I will try to summon my DG soon and see how I feel about the outcome.

[RavenOfShadow]

There are two "No's" in the poll results, would you share why you think it isnt possible? Trying to get everyone's opinions in here!

[StephL]

Interesting that you did incubation irl anotherdreamer - almost like tulpa creation, of which I keep thinking. I'll get back here - very fascinating topic - I voted maybe, since I didn't do it yet - but I should have said yes, because I believe several people's reports for now. Here a link on the tulpa concept: http://www.dreamviews.com/tulpa-land...ion-guide.html