Quote Originally Posted by astralboy View Post
Tibetains use lucid dreaming like a spiritual tool. For them lucid dreaming is a training for the after death. And they use it to reach "illumination". There is books on that like "the tibetain book of death and living". They have a full science of lucid dreaming.
That's all true, except of course that that book is called The Tibetan Book of the Dead (in case anyone wants to do a search for it), and also that Tibetan lamas, much less the dream yogis, would never claim or desire to have a "full science" of anything, as they have little interest in empirical knowledge. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, and the Tibetans' spiritual search might ultimately trump science (and it would be cool if it did!), but they really do not use any scientific process, so they have no science of dreams. Maybe that was a translation issue?

Though I appreciate your explanation, I am disappointed that you didn't share where you learned that Tibetan monks "practice shared dreams since forever, it is a part of the dream yoga," because I really was curious. Oh well, I guess it was making us stray from your OP, wasn't it? So back to business?

But the goal of my thread was to say this ;

Scientific FACT : While we dream there is visible effects in the brain, we can observe them. There is no contradiction. And no one can argue with this!

INTERPRETATION of that fact : When you ask yourself : what does it mean? Is this an Evidence (with big E) that dreams are created by the brain? Or It may be possible that they are recieved by the brain? Because nothing contradicts it.

CONCLUSION : If you accept that they are created by the brain... It it not really scientific thinking because there is no evidence, and there is others interpretations possible, for exemple : dreams may be recieved by the brain.
What science should say is : WE DON'T KNOW. But we know that dreams have effects on the brain, and that they are "connected" to it. That is a scientific answer because what they observe isn't enough to make conclusions. Especally when there is so much people with experiences that are incompatible with their theory... Seeing a text on your screent isn't an evidence that it originate from it.
Okay. In the name of breaking us away from the "I'm right, you're wrong" loop in which we were all uselessly circling, I'd like to ask a question.

Let's say we accept your premise above. If it is not originated by the brain, and the brain is merely a conduit for dream energy/information, from where then do dreams come? What is their origin?