Thread: You, the Dream Character

Ooo! That would be so cool, thousands of DCs looking like me, running around in peoples mind!

Anyways, erhm...
I'm sure some of you have heard that all the faces you see in dreams are taken out of the real world. I've hear this saying sometimes... Don't know of it's true though.
But if it is, it would support the chance of a DC with your look living in a stranger persons mind

watch the episode of "The Twilight Zone" called "Shadowplay"! It's about this guy who has a recurring nightmare and all the dream characters are people he's seen throughout the years...
It's kinda frustrating to a lucid dreamer, though... you'll see why

Originally Posted by WDr

Anyways, erhm...
I'm sure some of you have heard that all the faces you see in dreams are taken out of the real world. I've hear this saying sometimes... Don't know of it's true though.
But if it is, it would support the chance of a DC with your look living in a stranger persons mind

It is true, that's not the question ^^ I was just interested about how you would feel to know that you might be appearing in other people's dreams as a DC

Originally Posted by SnowyCat

watch the episode of "The Twilight Zone" called "Shadowplay"! It's about this guy who has a recurring nightmare and all the dream characters are people he's seen throughout the years...
It's kinda frustrating to a lucid dreamer, though... you'll see why

Never heard of that before, but i'll check it out, thanks

It's not true.

Yes, the human brain is exceptional at recognizing and processing facial features, but it's even more adept at filling in details. I'm not going to go too in-depth, or spend 20 minutes pulling together research no one will read, but the faces of DCs are amalgamations of facial features you've previously seen and remembered.

As such, it's more accurate to say there might be DCs running around with your nose, your ears, or even your hair. But a full reconstruction of a specific person you've barely glanced at is highly unlikely, since that sort of information typically never makes it to working memory, let alone long term memory.

Maybe someone is having recurring dreams and a DC who looks like you is an important character of those dreams...

Doesn't sound unreasonable. I've had others play reoccurring roles in my dreams.. some on purpose and some accidental.

Fun part is when you can create nightmares in someones dreams.... and come to think of it, building on highly popular archetypes of what constitutes a typical nightmare is not that difficult. In fact, it's much easier than one might imagine. Add a few sprinkles of darkness, a few layers of chase, a decently empty building and voila... only thing left is to add the halfway crazed pursuer and it's a done deal.

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

It's not true.

Yes, the human brain is exceptional at recognizing and processing facial features, but it's even more adept at filling in details. I'm not going to go too in-depth, or spend 20 minutes pulling together research no one will read, but the faces of DCs are amalgamations of facial features you've previously seen and remembered.

As such, it's more accurate to say there might be DCs running around with your nose, your ears, or even your hair. But a full reconstruction of a specific person you've barely glanced at is highly unlikely, since that sort of information typically never makes it to working memory, let alone long term memory.

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Think about it this way... you walk in the city or just basically anywhere in public, lots of people pass by you and they all see you, even if unintentionally in their peripheral vision or by directly looking at you.

Well, guess she did mention peripherals.... so that's more difficult.

However depending on awareness levels of an individual.. and whether or not photographic or near photographic memory is involved... it's possible to reconstruct someone with a higher level of accuracy than the average person might. On the other hand, the more normal the individual appears, the less likely they are to notice them... although if you create a unique context in which the person is viewed, it increases the probability of the person being stored in a more long term area of the brain.

It just depends.

Although, that would take a lot of effort to do that with everyone we pass.... sooooooo guess that's outside the norm xD

Reminds of the this video I happened upon a month or two ago:



RESEARCH | MATTHEW B. THOMPSON

Very interesting and definitely relevant.

Originally Posted by Kaomea

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Well, guess she did mention peripherals.... so that's more difficult.

However depending on awareness levels of an individual.. and whether or not photographic or near photographic memory is involved... it's possible to reconstruct someone with a higher level of accuracy than the average person might. On the other hand, the more normal the individual appears, the less likely they are to notice them... although if you create a unique context in which the person is viewed, it increases the probability of the person being stored in a more long term area of the brain.

It just depends.

Although, that would take a lot of effort to do that with everyone we pass.... sooooooo guess that's outside the norm xD

Come now; you know there's no evidence for photographic memory.

Eidetic memory, sure, but that's still not going to guarantee long term recall of passing faces.

And yeah, unique context or prolonged exposure would help.

@fhgshfdg:

Very cool. Thanks for sharing that.

Case by case trials don't qualify?

:*(

Originally Posted by Kaomea

Case by case trials don't qualify?

:*(

of course not! what, do you think we're being SCIENTIFIC?

Ooooh alright. You got me. I guess we can make it a logical discussion.

ahahah

Okay, now back to the thread:

I think what LittleZoe was talking about here (correct me if I'm wrong, LittleZoe) is more a philosophic look at self-awareness and ego than it is a scientific study of dream residue and memory.

In other words, the real thing to think about, when considering that dreams are constructed with the images -- even incomplete ones -- is that your image, or some portion of it, is present in someone else's dreamscape, just because you happened to walk by that someone else once during waking life. And by extension, if you live and move in a crowded environment like a city, traces of your image might be turning up in the dreams of thousands of other people, every night.

Squint hard enough, and this idea almost casts a tiny shimmer of immortality! Pretty cool!

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

As such, it's more accurate to say there might be DCs running around with your nose, your ears, or even your hair. But a full reconstruction of a specific person you've barely glanced at is highly unlikely, since that sort of information typically never makes it to working memory, let alone long term memory.

Just as there can be DCs running around with some parts of your face, they could be running around with your full face as well. I don't see the difference. Just because you can't remember a face fully, that doesn't mean that it's not stored in your brain, your subconscious can work with it.

Photographic memory allows your conscious self to reconstruct the images perfectly, but you don't have to have photographic memory to make your subconscious able to work with these images.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Okay, now back to the thread:

I think what LittleZoe was talking about here (correct me if I'm wrong, LittleZoe) is more a philosophic look at self-awareness and ego than it is a scientific study of dream residue and memory.

In other words, the real thing to think about, when considering that dreams are constructed with the images -- even incomplete ones -- is that your image, or some portion of it, is present in someone else's dreamscape, just because you happened to walk by that someone else once during waking life. And by extension, if you live and move in a crowded environment like a city, traces of your image might be turning up in the dreams of thousands of other people, every night.

Squint hard enough, and this idea almost casts a tiny shimmer of immortality! Pretty cool!

At least someone understood it ^^ I'm not sure what was so hard about this for the others... Maybe i just explained badly.

Originally Posted by Kaomea

Doesn't sound unreasonable. I've had others play reoccurring roles in my dreams.. some on purpose and some accidental.

Fun part is when you can create nightmares in someones dreams.... and come to think of it, building on highly popular archetypes of what constitutes a typical nightmare is not that difficult. In fact, it's much easier than one might imagine. Add a few sprinkles of darkness, a few layers of chase, a decently empty building and voila... only thing left is to add the halfway crazed pursuer and it's a done deal.

Well... i was talking about DCs using your look as their own, not exactly YOU entering someone else's dream... That's part of another discussion

Oh. I tend to misread ideas. Oh well. Back to photographic memory... carry on then

I don't even want to think what they are doing with "me".

Hell i can make me look better in dreams myself, "transform" basically no one can take my "looks"

Originally Posted by hathor28

Hell i can make me look better in dreams myself, "transform" basically no one can take my "looks"

You don't understand the point of the thread... which doesn't surprise me...

It's about your real look, not your dream look. You can't decide how you'll look in someone else's dream, when that's just a DC using your look.

Other than keeping my looks in the memory data of their brain and using it to form a DC, I wouldn't be surprised if someone decides to change how I look or dress if I am a DC in their dream.

I love the idea of being in strangers' dreams! It makes you realise how much impact you have on so many people without really doing anything at all. Sometimes we forget that by simply walking past someone in the street has an affect on their life, albeit in the smallest way.

I particularly enjoy when people tell me about their dreams I've featured in, especially if I don't know them all that well. Gives me a taste of how they really see me (even if they don't realise themselves) by interpreting their dream myself.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Just as there can be DCs running around with some parts of your face, they could be running around with your full face as well. I don't see the difference. Just because you can't remember a face fully, that doesn't mean that it's not stored in your brain, your subconscious can work with it.

Photographic memory allows your conscious self to reconstruct the images perfectly, but you don't have to have photographic memory to make your subconscious able to work with these images.

I already provided you with my reasons, but it seems you ignored them, as expected.

What's more, the fact that you continue to use the term subconscious tells me you don't really know what you're talking about.

Which is fine, you're entitled to your ignorance, but please don't say things are "true" when you can provide no evidence to support your claim. You should know better than that, given how often you dismiss the ideas of people who discuss or believe in BD topics.

If this were simply a thread where you were musing about an idea, I wouldn't have bothered to comment. However, in your second post, you assert this idea as fact, when anyone who knows even a little bit about how memory works could tell you it isn't, except in extraordinary cases.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

Did anyone ever wonder about this?

I just had this sudden thought yesterday while watching a movie... that basically your brain stores lots of random people's faces that you see during the day, even if you don't directly look at them or don't even notice them consciously.

Think about it this way... you walk in the city or just basically anywhere in public, lots of people pass by you and they all see you, even if unintentionally in their peripheral vision or by directly looking at you.

Now think about that in those people's dreams, a Dream Character might just use your look as their own... therefore you become a DC in someone else's dream.
Maybe someone is having recurring dreams and a DC who looks like you is an important character of those dreams...

I'm not sure how much sense this makes, but i found this to be an interesting thought ^^

Opinions?

That is a fairly interesting thought. And it's probably true. I know that your mind never, NEVER creates a face, it always uses one you've seen before. And I've had dreams where in important dream character has a face I just can't recall seeing.

Wow I've never thought about that. That perhaps people who don't know me, may actually have traces of me in their dreams. I could be the murderer chasing them down. Or the love of their lives. Maybe even a worker in Walmart.

I don't know if I believe that my mind can only dream of faces I know. But that's not the point of this thread. Also I don't know how this would even remotely relate to immortality?

Anyway littlezoe, this is an interesting thread!

@mzzkc why do you try to argue in every single thread? Why can't you just let things go? You really try too hard to prove other people wrong. Say your piece and move on. Debate a little, but don't be rude. And stop cramming your thoughts down other peoples throat. /enddumbrant

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

@mzzkc why do you try to argue in every single thread? Why can't you just let things go? You really try too hard to prove other people wrong. Say your piece and move on. Debate a little, but don't be rude. And stop cramming your thoughts down other peoples throat. /enddumbrant

OOOOO!!! I know the answer to this one!!!! Oh wait, mature game face on. Let me find a place to stash my lolli before I proceed...... ah, there we go.

Everyone here has the right to state their opinion. Since that is the case, he states his, Littlezoe states hers, and it's all fair game.

Now I'll state mine.

Littlezoe makes claims that her way is often the 'right' way or 'only' way to complete or experience a task. This is often unhelpful for people who know little about lucid dreaming and then they begin practicing what she preaches, as fact, and then get confused when they deviate from how the expected path was laid out. Then people who understand that everyone does things in their own ways... because we are all unique individuals.... they come in and correct the situation at a later date.

Instead of asking, "Why do you try to argue in every single thread?" .... maybe ask yourself if there's a common denominator in the threads he does argue in. Yeah, he's a pain in the ass sometimes, but he doesn't bitch and groan without cause. Most of the bitching is logic based anyway and all he needs to appease him is a bit of data or research. Or in the case here, all that needed to be changed is how the idea is communicated. State anything as fact and he turns into a Pit Bull. State it as a cool thing to think about... and he's .... hell, I don't know... a poodle.

Personally, I think he does it because he cares. I would bitch and groan about stuff too except I lack the desire and energy to care that much.

Oh and doing an '/enddumbrant' takes away from the overall message. It sounded fierce and fiery before that point.... if you're going to rant, rant. It's not dumb, stand by your convictions; if you don't, others will step in and place you where we'd like you to stand.

Originally Posted by GenericUser777

That is a fairly interesting thought. And it's probably true. I know that your mind never, NEVER creates a face, it always uses one you've seen before. And I've had dreams where in important dream character has a face I just can't recall seeing.

The mind never creates a face? Really? What about when we mix and match noses, eyes, hairlines, or mouths from various people? Isn't that a creation of a new face? Your mind might never create a face but mine sure does.

Originally Posted by littlezoe

You don't understand the point of the thread... which doesn't surprise me...

That was a little mean :\