Thread: any p90xers here?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

No. You said that they were 'the only good ones'.

Well, "good" was referring to making you healthier etc.

Originally Posted by Unelias

You don't need any "scientific proof" if you have knowledge how body works.

I agree. We used to know that the brain pumped blood around the body, until William Harvery came in with all that pesky scientific stuff.

You don't need any "scientific proof" if you have knowledge how body works. I still would like to see the whole routine so I could give it good overall score.

You say running is one of the best workout? I don't agree or then we have to at least define for what exactly? Yes, it is good overall, it increases your oxygen absorbsion, lung capacity and endurance. But it is only for legs. Even if you are marathoner, you cannot keep up that good if you have to ie. wrestle, do circuit training, lift weights. You need to compensate with muscle workout and cardio that uses the whole body, if you really want to get evenly trained body. Swimming is pretty good as side training. It utilizes more the whole body.

But if you only train for endurance ie. long distance running then you lack of other areas. Strength, speed,

Do any exercise enough and you will build the same amount of muscle as any other exercise. As long as you're talking about all anaerobic exercises.

Really? Are you saying that by doing situps you can get the same effect on your abs as doing twisters on a chin up bar as long as you do those situps enough or am I understanding something wrong? Obviously there are very good movements and not so good movements. The more dynamic and challenging the exercise is the more results you will eventually get. Granted, you have to work harder, but that is why you train. Human body has limits and needs to rest and that is why those who seek to become really strong
develop routines and moves that grant most result and to the many areas as well.

My problem with this is that I have hard time to see these things from point of normal, not so active person. Running, swimming, badminton, heck almost everything is good to keep you healthy and in some shape, but if you want to talk about how athletes do then it is pretty different.

I bought the P90X with my own money, it's worth it. Since i've started following the nutrition a little bit more i've lost 10 pounds, and now things that i struggled with are becoming much easier to lift. My plan is to perhaps look like Tony Horton one day.

My point is Tommo that when you seem to encounter something you are very adamant against personally you are always asking for scienitific proof. It is a good thing in general, since science has its qualities, but in this case it is totally absurd. It was not an insult against you, just to show how science won't be a card here at this thread.

Well, MY point was that a lot of things seems like common sense, but our common sense is a lot of the time incredibly incorrect.

That is true, but you use already that scientific information to evaluate these things. Most of these things have been studied scientifically and if you can apply that knowledge to see if these things are working. Also, if you have spent much of time in physical field and taken courses and broaden your knowledge then you can call that "common sense" accurate.

That's how I see it. I don't know any more of this p90x than you, I have only seen about ten clips of different routines and read some articles. If we wanted to really evaluate it we need to see the whole thing, I am afraid.

That might be true, the second bit of your post. But I don't think it's going to be anything amazing that you couldn't achieve with any other normal exercises.

I'm about to make a super geeky analogy: Training a neural network.

If you're teaching a neural net to do text recognition (one letter at a time, for simplicity), you need to feed it lots of samples with correct answers (e.g. "<sample writing> - this is an R").

As you feed it more and more samples, it will learn to recognize other stuff.

But there is a difference in what order you feed it the samples. If you have 100 samples of each letter, you want to mix it up. If you feed it 100 Rs, then 100 Bs, etc. it will grow differently than if you feed random letters in random order (2600 samples, in no particular order). It will be MUCH more effective and versatile if you trained it by mixing it up early on.

I think this is a really great analogy to learning, as well as physical fitness. It's not a "scientific proof" by any stretch, but it's a kind of reasoning why "mixing it up" is better than "doing the same thing over and over for a LONG time and then changing it and then doing the same thing over and over, etc."

But I think the way they talk about "muscle confusion theory" is misleading. Yes, it's good to mix it up, and I wouldn't be shocked if the way they change the workouts and ordering around DID make a huge difference. I DID find that after the first few weeks, when I switched over to the second set (which is just a replacement of the weight training modules, to cover different muscle groups together, with slightly different exercises), the workouts became a lot harder for a while (as was the case when switching back to the original model).

But it just comes down to switching it up a lot, rather than optimizing your body for one specific workout.

But I think it's more about balanced growth, than it is about "your muscles will get bigger and stronger faster if you confuse them" - THAT statement, I think is bs.

From Mark Rippetoe: "It works very well since it is most people’s first exposure to an exercise protocol that’s supposed to be hard, and the impression of most inexperienced people who have tried it is very positive. P90X works well for the same reason, as does HIT, Turbo-Jam, the first week of football practice, and all participation in the first phases of any reasonably challenging sport. A strenuous physical effort – no matter what it is – acts as a stimulus for adaptation, up until the point that the adaptation occurs and the program fails to further progressively load."

Originally Posted by Replicon

I'm about to make a super geeky analogy: Training a neural network.

If you're teaching a neural net to do text recognition (one letter at a time, for simplicity), you need to feed it lots of samples with correct answers (e.g. "<sample writing> - this is an R").

As you feed it more and more samples, it will learn to recognize other stuff.

But there is a difference in what order you feed it the samples. If you have 100 samples of each letter, you want to mix it up. If you feed it 100 Rs, then 100 Bs, etc. it will grow differently than if you feed random letters in random order (2600 samples, in no particular order). It will be MUCH more effective and versatile if you trained it by mixing it up early on.

I think this is a really great analogy to learning, as well as physical fitness. It's not a "scientific proof" by any stretch, but it's a kind of reasoning why "mixing it up" is better than "doing the same thing over and over for a LONG time and then changing it and then doing the same thing over and over, etc."

But I think the way they talk about "muscle confusion theory" is misleading. Yes, it's good to mix it up, and I wouldn't be shocked if the way they change the workouts and ordering around DID make a huge difference. I DID find that after the first few weeks, when I switched over to the second set (which is just a replacement of the weight training modules, to cover different muscle groups together, with slightly different exercises), the workouts became a lot harder for a while (as was the case when switching back to the original model).

But it just comes down to switching it up a lot, rather than optimizing your body for one specific workout.

But I think it's more about balanced growth, than it is about "your muscles will get bigger and stronger faster if you confuse them" - THAT statement, I think is bs.

I could agree with this.

Not that the neural net is analogous to muscles in every respect.

I love doing plyometrics! Just yesterday when i was doing it i was going mega hard, i even started before they even started on the DVD. I drank 9 cups of water during that 1 hour workout, and drained about 3 cups of sweat. I was not even half assing it, i was moving my body as fast as i could go for most of the workout. It was killer but it felt gooooood. When it came to break time, i just did jumping jacks as fast as i could, or running in the spot with knees up high moving as fast as i could. Today at work my boss told me i've lost so much weight (40 pounds since January?). I would have lost alot more but i'm still slacking off in the nutrition department...i don't know how to cook and learning bores me, but i'll just have to suck it up. I fell to my knee, though. My heart felt like it was about to rip through my skin....they say bring it, so i bring it. Even if i pass out, which i have come close a few times.

By the way, do any of you guys think Tony Horton's one-liners are sometimes really, really creepy?

"I hear breathing... makes me happy"

I have memorized virtually everything he says on Ab ripper x. Favorites from that one:

"Half way through, party's almost over man, what a bummer"

"Making contact! Jason's makin' contact elbow side!"

"Here we go, not gonna mess around"

"There's a no grab"

"This is WRONG, anybody can do this. THAT'S where the money is!"

"Harder, easier, easiest"

"This is Pam, they call her BLAM"

"Geeeuuuhman potaaato souuuup"

Originally Posted by Replicon

"Geeeuuuhman potaaato souuuup"

Lmao. I love that one.

"Touch the toes"

Is ab ripper x significantly better than doing a bunch of crunches?

Originally Posted by dave1701

Is ab ripper x significantly better than doing a bunch of crunches?

Yes, much better.

Yeah Ab Ripper X introduces a lot of variety, and works more muscles than just crunches.

Tony Horton is a BEAST! and he's only 53 years old.

TONY HORTON BEACH WORKOUT with Anne Kearns Fers.m4v - YouTube

MP45- Muscle Prodigy's Exclusive 45 Day Weight Loss & Muscle Building Program- Shred the Fat & Build the Body of Your Dreams!

Just wondering, is this site legit? any MP45ers on here, or heard of it? 45 days seems a bit fast.

My brother lent me the Ab Ripper X video. Just that one. I like it a lot but Tony's voice kind of annoys me. xD

I like their yoga routine. I'm not big on the host but I enjoy doing yoga with their routine on so I'm less likely to wimp out when it gets brutal

I just got this regimen along with the Intensity workout, looking forward to trying them both out.

I think people are constantly in need of.. A quick fix. They don't want to do the work themselves and that's why a lot of them schedule appointments with personal trainers and buy things off of tv-shop. I have never heard of P90X but I just wanted to throw my opinion out there.

I'm going to read some more about this.