Thread: F**k the Troops

You say you support the troops? Bring them the fuck home and give everyone who wants it an honorable discharge so they can get back to taking care of America in person. Then everyone here could support them in ways that aren’t a twisted piece of jingoism tied to bumpers with yellow ribbons.

The troops are not protecting me, my family, or my country. Iraq was no threat to the US. The President and his puppeteers, filtered, distorted, and manipulated the information at hand to suggest otherwise. It was lies. You heard half of them yourself. The whole incident, the whole cabal, will be remembered as a horrifying joke. Historians will run races against James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, and George W Bush to select the worst US President in history.

The troops are hurting Iraq. Hussein was a beast but he was, of late, a stable and relatively innocuous one. The Baghdad morgue is taking in more than 1,000 murder victims a month and the number has been steadily rising since the war started. It’s also a minimum because many murders go unreported and unrecognized. This is a single city in Iraq where 20,000 civilians will be murdered this year. It will be called civil unrest but 20,000 dead in one city is a combination of anarchy and civil war. In New York City, 1.6 times more populous than Baghdad, there will be around 600 murders this year.

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I am not going to argue the Iraq War from scratch any more, so here is one of the many threads where I argued about it. I want to add here that the "civilians" you are talking about are not targetted by us unless they are insurgents. The insurgents, on the other hand, do target civilians. You might want to start a thread on how much you hate them. A high percentage of the insurgents are from other countries, and many of them are Iranians being trained and funded by the governent of Iran. Here is something I said in the past about the justification for the war.

http://dreamviews.com/community/show...%27s+ceasefire

I will add this also. I know people in Iraq, and I know people who have been to Iraq. Something the media will never tell you is just how loved Bush is in Iraq. He saved them from one of the most horrific governments of all time. The country is in a transition phase now, but their future is bright. They were liberated. Do you have anything at all good to say about that aspect of the picture? The liberation of Iraq should in at least that aspect be a liberal's wet dream.

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If it was conscientiousness which brought the Americans to Iraq, one wonders why they haven't done anything for the many other failed states which would need a fraction of the effort to sort out.

Through its actions the U.S. has probably put its citizens in greater danger, I'd say. Iraq had no interest in or means to attack the U.S.

Originally Posted by Xei

If it was conscientiousness which brought the Americans to Iraq, one wonders why they haven't done anything for the many other failed states which would need a fraction of the effort to sort out.

Through its actions the U.S. has probably put its citizens in greater danger, I'd say. Iraq had no interest in or means to attack the U.S.

Read my first post in the thread I posted. I addressed that a bunch of times because Wendy kept arguing stuff like it. You are arguing what I come across all the time, which is the idea that the war has been about a single thing. It has been about MANY things. Also, no matter what the U.S. government's intentions have been, it is still great that Iraq now has a democracy where the people actually have rights. No matter what the deal is, at least that aspect in the picture is something it seems like we should all agree is something great.

Afghanistan?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I am not going to argue the Iraq War from scratch any more, so here is one of the many threads where I argued about it. I want to add here that the "civilians" you are talking about are not targetted by us unless they are insurgents. The insurgents, on the other hand, do target civilians. You might want to start a thread on how much you hate them. A high percentage of the insurgents are from other countries, and many of them are Iranians being trained and funded by the governent of Iran. Here is something I said in the past about the justification for the war.

http://dreamviews.com/community/show...%27s+ceasefire

I will add this also. I know people in Iraq, and I know people who have been to Iraq. Something the media will never tell you is just how loved Bush is in Iraq. He saved them from one of the most horrific governments of all time. The country is in a transition phase now, but their future is bright. They were liberated. Do you have anything at all good to say about that aspect of the picture? The liberation of Iraq should in at least that aspect be a liberal's wet dream.

You are far too gullable. The load of shit they made you believe. You and masses of the world's populace.
You should have nicknamed yourself Universal MindLESSNESS instead.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Well considering American corporations dominate our economy, they have taken us over in a sense. They support our political campaigns, fund our media, control the products we are sold...

That is not taking over. That is having strong influence. Your business people are still free to do what they want to do with their lives, and your consumers are free to shop where they want to shop. They have freedom of religion and lots of other freedoms, and they do not fall under our laws. Taking over is what Nazi Germany did to Poland and what the Soviet Union did to Eastern Europe. They stepped in and said, "This land is my land. Do as we say from now on, or else."

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Well this is really an A+ attitude. This is the reason rainforests will continue to be clear-cut, ecosystems destroyed, cheap labour in third worlds exploited, the air and water polluted, the oceans over-fished, and the land raped for its ores and oils. All because we can, and I quote, "afford" to live like this.

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying we should be able to do whatever we feel like as long as we can do it. I was pointing out the economic effectiveness of capitalism. Understand?

There should be limits on taking endangered resources, but I don't trust left wing propaganda too much.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Our well-being and the reason we can live like this in the West is based on the exploitation of poor people around the world. Don't believe me? Look at all your clothes, shoes, appliances, etc. Look at the tags; any money it says "Made in Indonesia", or something a long those lines. Millions of people slaving away for a dollar a day so that people like you, sitting comfortably at your computer, can preach about how our system "works", and others don't. The Oil you burn in your car has been reaped from third worlds by fat rich white businessmen, oil that's been inherited equally by every human on this planet, then sold back to our fat-asses.

Some of our businesses have foreign workers, and some don't. This "exploitation" thing gets thrown around by socialists all the time, and it is very misleading. It is true that some businesses pay shitty wages to third world workers, but those workers are not pulled down by our businesses. They are given slightly better alternatives that are still shitty. That is a matter of a business not doing as much as a it could, not a matter of a business fucking up a country.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

The American empire will crash and burn like every other empire preceding it, and there is one good reason for it: It's not built to last.

I know you dream of that. Your dream speaks volumes about how you really feel about others.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests (in another thread)

I really hope something happens in 2012, although my intuition tells me it's superstitious bullshit.

Maybe Yellowstone in Wyoming will erupt and cover 1/2 of America in burning hot pyroclastic debris. That would be kinda cool...

I don't know about anyone else, but bad news is my favourite news.

There we have it.

I would like to have a great world with healthy people who are happy, free, and safe. I can see where you stand.

Originally Posted by stonedape

Is it our military that brings us freedom, or our principles? I think we have success, we have freedom, because of our principles of freedom of speech and capitalism(freedom of trade).

Do you really believe that principles need to be defended with violence? Do they not stand on their own?

No, there are plenty of countries that have had those freedoms and lost them. It could happen here too. We need to do our best to make sure it doesn't.

Originally Posted by SKA

You are far too gullable. The load of shit they made you believe. You and masses of the world's populace.
You should have nicknamed yourself Universal MindLESSNESS instead.

Oh no, SKA. Did you really leave that pathetic post? Did your roommate get a hold of your account or something? That is pitiful. I thought you could do better than that. You know I love a good debate, but you gave me nothing except name calling. Is that really the best you can do? What a sad sight. I thought you were much smarter than that. Would you like to try again? Come on, explain to me where the missteps in my reasoning processes are. Give me counterarguments. Debate me instead of leaving mindless posts. Show me something. What you posted is worthless.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying we should be able to do whatever we feel like as long as we can do it. I was pointing out the economic effectiveness of capitalism. Understand?

No. How can "we can afford to live like this" be misinterpreted? It's totally unambiguous. It's pretty clear that you think we can afford to live like this, or else you would have said otherwise. Understand?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I know you dream of that. Your dream speaks volumes about how you really feel about others.

Even a half-retard can understand that our way of life is unsustainable. Jesus, even other people with your silly, cultish, anti-communist beliefs can see this.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

There we have it.

I would like to have a great world with healthy people who are happy, free, and safe. I can see where you stand.

Are you really that stumped that you need to bring in posts from other discussions in an attempt to make yourself look better?

This world will never achieve what you speak of with mindless people conforming to this system.

The more bad news there is the quicker this system fails. FINE BY ME. The seems will begin to rip, and I'll be sitting on the edge of my chair waiting for this filthy, deprived, disgusting system to collapse. Whilst waiting for this event to occur, I totally withdraw my support and faith in our political system, be careful what corporations I support, and try to enlighten other people about our current predicament.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

No. How can "we can afford to live like this" be misinterpreted? It's totally unambiguous. It's pretty clear that you think we can afford to live like this, or else you would have said otherwise. Understand?

You're still not getting it, or at least not admitting you are getting it. I am talking about the economic effectiveness of capitalism. Concentrate on that variable. Concentrate. Now, with that in mind, we are wealthy enough to use so many resources. Wealthy. Capitalism creates wealth. Get it?

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Even a half-retard can understand that our way of life is unsustainable. Jesus, even other people with your silly, cultish, anti-communist beliefs can see this.

Pure ad hominems are always effective in a debate. Nice work. You should be proud.

Yes, we will eventually run out of oil and other unrenewable resources. We are working on alternative forms.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Are you really that stumped that you need to bring in posts from other discussions in an attempt to make yourself look better?

That does not qualify as a counterargument. You gave away what you are really about, and all you can do is throw hollow insults at me for doing it. The truth is obvious because of that post. You don't give a happy damn about this world. Very few socialists do.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

This world will never achieve what you speak of with mindless people conforming to this system.

Could you be a little more vague?

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

The more bad news there is the quicker this system fails. FINE BY ME. The seems will begin to rip, and I'll be sitting on the edge of my chair waiting for this filthy, deprived, disgusting system to collapse. Whilst waiting for this event to occur, I totally withdraw my support and faith in our political system, be careful what corporations I support, and try to enlighten other people about our current predicament.

Why would you want to "enlighten" anybody? You love tragedy and bad news. That's why you support socialism.

Originally Posted by Bearsy

You say you support the troops? Bring them the fuck home and give everyone who wants it an honorable discharge so they can get back to taking care of America in person. Then everyone here could support them in ways that aren’t a twisted piece of jingoism tied to bumpers with yellow ribbons.

The troops are not protecting me, my family, or my country. Iraq was no threat to the US. The President and his puppeteers, filtered, distorted, and manipulated the information at hand to suggest otherwise. It was lies. You heard half of them yourself. The whole incident, the whole cabal, will be remembered as a horrifying joke. Historians will run races against James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, and George W Bush to select the worst US President in history.

The troops are hurting Iraq. Hussein was a beast but he was, of late, a stable and relatively innocuous one. The Baghdad morgue is taking in more than 1,000 murder victims a month and the number has been steadily rising since the war started. It’s also a minimum because many murders go unreported and unrecognized. This is a single city in Iraq where 20,000 civilians will be murdered this year. It will be called civil unrest but 20,000 dead in one city is a combination of anarchy and civil war. In New York City, 1.6 times more populous than Baghdad, there will be around 600 murders this year.

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Thank you for posting this. If I could thank posts more than once, your post there would get fivehundred million+.

Originally Posted by Bearsy

You say you support the troops? Bring them the fuck home and give everyone who wants it an honorable discharge so they can get back to taking care of America in person. Then everyone here could support them in ways that aren’t a twisted piece of jingoism tied to bumpers with yellow ribbons.

The troops are not protecting me, my family, or my country. Iraq was no threat to the US. The President and his puppeteers, filtered, distorted, and manipulated the information at hand to suggest otherwise. It was lies. You heard half of them yourself. The whole incident, the whole cabal, will be remembered as a horrifying joke. Historians will run races against James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, and George W Bush to select the worst US President in history.

The troops are hurting Iraq. Hussein was a beast but he was, of late, a stable and relatively innocuous one. The Baghdad morgue is taking in more than 1,000 murder victims a month and the number has been steadily rising since the war started. It’s also a minimum because many murders go unreported and unrecognized. This is a single city in Iraq where 20,000 civilians will be murdered this year. It will be called civil unrest but 20,000 dead in one city is a combination of anarchy and civil war. In New York City, 1.6 times more populous than Baghdad, there will be around 600 murders this year.

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SHUT IT. This is Bush's fault, not the troops. Let's see you support any given cause so much that you would be ready to die for it.