Thread: Copenhagen Summit and US Senate Climate Legislation

Where's your evidence?

Where's yours? You've not given any evidence for the AGW hypothesis. Just a random bunch of scientifically irrelevant facts.

In the UK this year's summer was very mild and this winter is causing havoc because it's colder than it's been for 20 years. The MET office predicted it was going to be scorching. Another epic fail from them in trying to make long term climate predictions.

There are now more estate agents on the planet then there have been for the past 5 billion years and yet we keep training more at an unprecedented rate.

The south pole is growing.

Polar bear populations always vary. There's even a biological law which says that populations always vary.

Oil companies have nothing to do with science.

As far as I can tell the only evidence for AGW are the computer models, and if you look at the email leaks, you'll see that they're a farce.

But like I say, I don't even care that much. We urgently need to reduce oil consumption and even when threatened with the end of the world politicans can't gain any inertia so there's really no fucking hope at all.

Tell me more on this fraud, please.

Talking about 'fraud' is one of the most disgusting misdirections I have ever witnessed. Don't you see it rotates around the term 'global warming' and eventually actually makes you say :

Originally Posted by Xei

You've not given any evidence for the AGW hypothesis. Just a random bunch of scientifically irrelevant facts.

on the biggest problems of our planet.

It's not about the 'global warming' as a consequence. It's about the constant environmental awareness increase, as the biggest threat to polluter lobbies. Of course they're putting out a fraud story.

But, OK, I would like to understand, who benefits on this global warming fraud? Maybe I missed on something important.

Polar bear populations always vary. There's even a biological law which says that populations always vary.

Yeah, biological laws and fur market. Humans rock.

All I know is, it is December 25th, and 20ºC (68ºF) here in Croatia, and it should be snowing. Pretty much everyone is feeling sick.

Just give it a few years. The global cooling scare will make its way back yet again. The extreme of the temperature scare has switched like seven times since the 1800's. At this point, I am not worried that the sky is falling. "Wolf" has been cried way too many times.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/spec...fireandice.asp

I was a child in the 1970's, and the environmental activism fad of the era was this...



http://www.infowars.com/cooling-tren...eory-in-doubt/

Go ahead and call bullshit on Al Gore, the grand wizard of the global warming fad, because he is quite full of it. The temperature of the core of Earth is is in the low thousands.

http://www.ehow.com/about_4660925_te...ter-earth.html

Now here's Al Whore with his true ignorance...



The godfather of global warming obviously isn't such an expert on Earth temperature. By the way, global warming is happening on Mars.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

on the biggest problems of our planet.

It's not about the 'global warming' as a consequence. It's about the constant environmental awareness increase, as the biggest threat to polluter lobbies. Of course they're putting out a fraud story.

But, OK, I would like to understand, who benefits on this global warming fraud? Maybe I missed on something important.

I don't have any idea what you're talking about. You're saying you're opposed to rational scientific thought..?

I don't want to go into conspiracies because like I say there are interests on both sides of the arguments and it detracts from the science, but since you're asking, those who benefit include all of the people employed to do global warming research (their jobs wouldn't exist and a lot of them would have useless degrees if AGW turned out to be baseless) and politicians who see taxation opportunities.

Go ahead and call bullshit on Al Gore, the grand wizard of the global warming fad, because he is quite full of it. The temperature of the core of Earth is is in the low thousands.

To be honest Al Gore isn't a scientist so we shouldn't really care what he thinks. Outside of America he's still obscure but GW is still well in the spotlight due to extensive media coverage.

Originally Posted by Xei

I don't have any idea what you're talking about. You're saying you're opposed to rational scientific thought..?

I'm saying, the problems DeeryTheDeer mentioned are real, and people are starting to put them aside and thinking about whether it is a global warming, colding, or a fraud... Misdirection! It's a global shit here and now, and those dudes in Copenhagen should have done something about it, instead of being oil lobbysts' bitches as usual.

Let me put it this way, you don't even have to be a scientist to figure out we are constantly poisoned, just go to China and take a breath.

What I think is sad is that we need to tell the world that our use of petrol may
cause serious long term environmental damage in order to get them to use
something cleaner. I don't know if anyone has realized this, but a lot of the
byproducts of burning petrol are toxic to us. It browns the horizon in the cities
(a daily sight for me) and makes the air smell wrong. The fact that it's not
healthy should be reason enough to divert our efforts into developing new fuel
sources, especially considering that our need for fuel will continue to grow as
our industry does worldwide.

Originally Posted by Invader

What I think is sad is that we need to tell the world that our use of petrol may
cause serious long term environmental damage in order to get them to use
something cleaner. I don't know if anyone has realized this, but a lot of the
byproducts of burning petrol are toxic to us. It browns the horizon in the cities
(a daily sight for me) and makes the air smell wrong. The fact that it's not
healthy should be reason enough to divert our efforts into developing new fuel
sources, especially considering that our need for fuel will continue to grow as
our industry does worldwide.

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Uh but I don't live in China.

And life expectancies have doubled in the industrial age. You're being paranoid.

What's 'global shit'? What are we supposed to do about 'global shit' if we don't know if it's 'cooling or warming'?