Thread: LSD explained for what it is.

I guess we agree Xaqaria.

My personal stepping stones (in chronological order)were:
Marijuana, Mushrooms (over abt. 15 experiences), 3 Hawaiian Baby WoodRose seeds(containing LSA), LSD( abt. 10 experiences) then DMT, then Ayahuasca.

What the psychedelics I did before I did DMT and Ayahuasca have taught me was a sort of "framework" in which to manage and interpret such experiences. Most valuable lessons were:

-Let whatever is, be. Don't resist. Don't seek to control the experience Ride it out. Accept everything; both negative and positive.
-Have faith in the healing & teaching nature of whatever it is you're ingesting. Otherwise you shouldn't be taking it.
- If negative thoughts, feelings, perceptions..etc arise, don't freak out. Remain calm and regard them as teachers and pay close attention.
- Detatch yourself from a 1st person perspective where it seems that everything is happening to "You". Instead see yourself in 3d person, like just another human being having just another human experience. This detatchment(from the ego) makes for a far calmer, clearer and observant perspective.

Ahh, you've taken LSA. That is the only psychedelic I've ever done. The friends who gave it to me were incredibly irresponsible, and I was young and dumb. I took 6 seeds at their suggestion...then a couple hours later, when I thought I couldn't feel it (even though I was actually starting to trip pretty hard), I asked if I could take some more. They said sure, told me to take 2...and because I was already half gone, I decided to take 4.

It didn't help that the atmosphere was a beat up apartment inhabited by a schizophrenic psychopath obsessed with serial killers (and who fit the profile of one himself) and his clinically depressed boyfriend.

Worst day/night of my entire life. Caused some psychological damage, too. I'm so glad I don't hang out with them anymore. Never would have in the first place if they weren't "close" friends of my roommate at the time.

I don't blame the drug, though. I'm sure if I had been responsible about it things would have gone much better.

Yeah the enviroment in which you undergo Entheogenesis is VERY influential.

I took ayahuasca with the Santo Daime members in their church. It was a really healing ritual. Their chanting gave me the courage to face and overcome the darkness/fear/anger I was meaning to rinse out of myself.

Had I done this in a cluttered squad-building full of smelly, confused, irresponsible people I don't even dare to think of how that might have affected me.

Instead, by taking Ayahuasca in ceremonial setting with strong, responsible and knowledgable people, it was a true blessing. I was truely able to take a HUGE burdain off of my shoulders, encouraged by so much love, strength and chanting.

Something like that, I would love to experience.

Right now I'm avoiding entheogens because I want to attempt consciousness-expansion without them first (meditation, LDs, etc.)

But if I had an opportunity to attend/experience a ritual like that, I'd jump at it.

Well I don't know where you live, but Santo Daime has chruches worldwide. Maybe worth looking on Santo-Daime's site to see if there are any local churches.

Originally Posted by SKA

Well having experienced quite alot of both high and low doses of both LSD and DMT
I can personally say that a low dose of DMT is nothing to even remotely fear.

The same can be said for low doses of LSD except the potency of LSD is alot harder to determine than the potency of DMT.

Even if you have relatively impure DMT(with alot of plant oils and fats still mixed through) a needle-pin volume(roughly translated in between 30 and 40 miligrams) of DMT is pretty much allways effective.(crossing the bottem line of peripheral effects)

A low dose of DMT is a very friendly, calm, meditative experience unlikely to be intense to even the most inexperienced psychonaught. It is VERY different from a high breakthrough dose of DMT; Which indeed IS much like riding a scudmisile into a black hole in terms of intensity.

Definitely. So basically nothing will prepare you for a high dose of DMT, is that what you're saying? The best you can do is meditate, have the right mindset, setting etc.?

EDIT: Just realised there was another page.
So you're also saying that doing other psychedelics provides the framework for dealing with DMT.
Ok I get it now, thanks Xaq and SKA, that's something I never really understood.

Originally Posted by SKA

Well I don't know where you live, but Santo Daime has chruches worldwide. Maybe worth looking on Santo-Daime's site to see if there are any local churches.

Hmm, I can't find a site, would you be so kind to provide one for me?

Also, I'm just curious, but how old are you?

Originally Posted by Motumz

Hmm, I can't find a site, would you be so kind to provide one for me?

Also, I'm just curious, but how old are you?

I looked up the dutch Santo Daime site, clicked on the english version-icon, but that does not seem to work.
Here you can learn more about Santo Daime too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime

And for your information I am 24 since the 4th of Januari this year. I had my ayahuasca experience with Santo Daime 2 years ago, at the age of 22.

Actually I'm planning to prticipate in another ayahuasca ceremony with Santo Daime soon.

A documentary on LSD I really liked was 'Getting High - The history of LSD'
from the history channel. You can watch it here, I think:
http://www.leary.ru/english/video/?n=01

Originally Posted by SKA

I looked up the dutch Santo Daime site, clicked on the english version-icon, but that does not seem to work.
Here you can learn more about Santo Daime too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santo_Daime

And for your information I am 24 since the 4th of Januari this year. I had my ayahuasca experience with Santo Daime 2 years ago, at the age of 22.

Actually I'm planning to prticipate in another ayahuasca ceremony with Santo Daime soon.

Thanks.

And cool. 22 actually sounds like the perfect age to part take in an ayahuasca trip / ceremony

Wow, So much to say. It took me hours to read this thread, I don't know how I haven't seen it before.
Like a lot of you here, I was a curious teenager. I researched LSD. All the research I did gave me a false impression of it. I thought that it would put me into an unreal frame of mind where I would be overcome by swirly colors and not know what reality is. I was afraid that I would 'freak out'. I was still curious.
The first time I tried LSD was at a Rainbow Gathering. It was my first day at my first Rainbow Gathering and I went down to the main fire pit drum circle and was watching all the hippies playing drums and dancing when up comes a hippie chick and puts a tab of acid in my hand and dances off! I looked at it and thought "Here is LSD! Should I take it? What if I freak out? Well, I'm having a good time, everyone else is having a good time, I'm in the middle of the woods, what the hell!" And I ate it.
Then I just started dancing. And I forgot that I took it. After a while I thought 'it must've been bunk, I don't feel anything. I just feel good from dancing'. And I jept dancing. I felt very very good. I went to pee in the bushes and I thought I saw someone in the bush and I realized that there was nobody there. Someone walking by said "look, he's tripping!' and I laughed because they thought I was tripping when obviously the acid was bunk and I was just high from dancing, or was I? Oh, I was tripping! I felt like a child and I saw the world fresh like I did when I was three years old. Everything was beautiful! I understood the depth and truth of subjective feelings and was filled with insights. i was laughing hysterically! There was nothing to be afraid of! This is so natural and fun! It is like losing your virginity or falling in love. Yes, falling in love can be dangerous. You can become obsessed with the beloved, you can get your heart broken. I was in love with everything!
Since then I did it a lot, I lost all fear of it. Sometimes I took too high of a dose and had a rough time, mostly paranoia or claustrophobia, but I always learned from it. No matter how rough a trip was when I was coming down slowly I always learned. The scariest [art of the trip is when it comes on fast and you are going to the peak. If you are peaking, and you are having a rough time, remember that it is a smooth coast downhill. It comes on fast and wears off slowly. One hit won't get you too high. It is perfect. You may even love it so much that you wish you did more. But be careful if you have never done it before, it is easy to underestimate the power of a high dose of LSD based on the sublime beauty of one dose.
As to where to get it and how much it costs, I have never paid more than a dollar for it, but that was back when. I mostly got it for free. It is a cheap drug to make because it is such a small small amount that makes up a hit. I always got it from friends, or at Rainbow Gatherings (where everything is free and the old school master chemists supply the LSD), or at Concerts like the Grateful Dead or Phish. I always either knew from experience or from word of mouth from trusted friends what the good "brand" was that was going around and if someone had that I would try some. You know, people would be talking about how great 'flying eyeballs' are or 'sunshine'.
If your acid isn't pure it won't kill you or even make you have a bad trip. It just might give you some smelly farts or you will feel like you need to stretch your back real good. Do some yoga. Drink orange juice while you are high, the vitamin C is good for you and it tastes great. Be in the woods on a full moon night is highly recommended. Hopefully you will still be somewhat high to watch the sunrise before you go to bed. That is always the best way to end the trip: watching the sunrise and smoking a bowl with your friend. Do it with a friend or two who you really feel comfortable around. Don't do it around anyone where there is a possibiltiy of subtle mind-games. Even if you are sexually attracted to someone it can add a strange vibe because of the telepathic/empathic nature of the experience. But if the feeling is mutual it might be great, but the thing is to connect to the other person as a human being and not as an object of lust. Lust seems wierd when on acid.
As for it being bad for you... there is nothing about it that can harm you, chemically speaking. If your brain chemsitry is already off it can have some strange effects. But you would know already. Don't take it if you are taking anti-depressants or anti-psychotics. they don't mix at all!!!
If you think you can fly, try taking off from the ground. Don't jump off a roof or out of a window! Take off from the ground! I think that that is an urban myth. If you are happy and you love yourself you will become all the wiser from the experience. Have fun.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Wow, So much to say. It took me hours to read this thread, I don't know how I haven't seen it before.
Like a lot of you here, I was a curious teenager. I researched LSD. All the research I did gave me a false impression of it. I thought that it would put me into an unreal frame of mind where I would be overcome by swirly colors and not know what reality is. I was afraid that I would 'freak out'. I was still curious.
The first time I tried LSD was at a Rainbow Gathering. It was my first day at my first Rainbow Gathering and I went down to the main fire pit drum circle and was watching all the hippies playing drums and dancing when up comes a hippie chick and puts a tab of acid in my hand and dances off! I looked at it and thought "Here is LSD! Should I take it? What if I freak out? Well, I'm having a good time, everyone else is having a good time, I'm in the middle of the woods, what the hell!" And I ate it.
Then I just started dancing. And I forgot that I took it. After a while I thought 'it must've been bunk, I don't feel anything. I just feel good from dancing'. And I jept dancing. I felt very very good. I went to pee in the bushes and I thought I saw someone in the bush and I realized that there was nobody there. Someone walking by said "look, he's tripping!' and I laughed because they thought I was tripping when obviously the acid was bunk and I was just high from dancing, or was I? Oh, I was tripping! I felt like a child and I saw the world fresh like I did when I was three years old. Everything was beautiful! I understood the depth and truth of subjective feelings and was filled with insights. i was laughing hysterically! There was nothing to be afraid of! This is so natural and fun! It is like losing your virginity or falling in love. Yes, falling in love can be dangerous. You can become obsessed with the beloved, you can get your heart broken. I was in love with everything!
Since then I did it a lot, I lost all fear of it. Sometimes I took too high of a dose and had a rough time, mostly paranoia or claustrophobia, but I always learned from it. No matter how rough a trip was when I was coming down slowly I always learned. The scariest [art of the trip is when it comes on fast and you are going to the peak. If you are peaking, and you are having a rough time, remember that it is a smooth coast downhill. It comes on fast and wears off slowly. One hit won't get you too high. It is perfect. You may even love it so much that you wish you did more. But be careful if you have never done it before, it is easy to underestimate the power of a high dose of LSD based on the sublime beauty of one dose.
As to where to get it and how much it costs, I have never paid more than a dollar for it, but that was back when. I mostly got it for free. It is a cheap drug to make because it is such a small small amount that makes up a hit. I always got it from friends, or at Rainbow Gatherings (where everything is free and the old school master chemists supply the LSD), or at Concerts like the Grateful Dead or Phish. I always either knew from experience or from word of mouth from trusted friends what the good "brand" was that was going around and if someone had that I would try some. You know, people would be talking about how great 'flying eyeballs' are or 'sunshine'.
If your acid isn't pure it won't kill you or even make you have a bad trip. It just might give you some smelly farts or you will feel like you need to stretch your back real good. Do some yoga. Drink orange juice while you are high, the vitamin C is good for you and it tastes great. Be in the woods on a full moon night is highly recommended. Hopefully you will still be somewhat high to watch the sunrise before you go to bed. That is always the best way to end the trip: watching the sunrise and smoking a bowl with your friend. Do it with a friend or two who you really feel comfortable around. Don't do it around anyone where there is a possibiltiy of subtle mind-games. Even if you are sexually attracted to someone it can add a strange vibe because of the telepathic/empathic nature of the experience. But if the feeling is mutual it might be great, but the thing is to connect to the other person as a human being and not as an object of lust. Lust seems wierd when on acid.
As for it being bad for you... there is nothing about it that can harm you, chemically speaking. If your brain chemsitry is already off it can have some strange effects. But you would know already. Don't take it if you are taking anti-depressants or anti-psychotics. they don't mix at all!!!
If you think you can fly, try taking off from the ground. Don't jump off a roof or out of a window! Take off from the ground! I think that that is an urban myth. If you are happy and you love yourself you will become all the wiser from the experience. Have fun.

Hey man great post. Loved it.

I have a few question though. I will be taking acid soon. It should be pretty pure, or at least really good. Because the people that are hooking me up with it are almost daily users. So I'm pretty confident in that area.

But what I was going to do when I take acid, was bring my best friend, lock us in the upstairs. And then take the acid. I'd also smoke the friend out for sitting me, and so he wouldn't be so bored (I don't really want him playing some violent video game while I'm tripping)

But I was thinking, since Spring Break is coming up, maybe I could get some then and trip during the day or something? Which would you personally prefer? I was thinking outdoors would be awesome.. But I don't know if I could stay out there for a full 12 hours. But I do love nature.


But anyways, do you have any tips for a first time LSD user? Meditate before? Listen to calming music during the trip? Stuff like that. Thanks

Originally Posted by Motumz

Hey man great post. Loved it.

I have a few question though. I will be taking acid soon. It should be pretty pure, or at least really good. Because the people that are hooking me up with it are almost daily users. So I'm pretty confident in that area.

But what I was going to do when I take acid, was bring my best friend, lock us in the upstairs. And then take the acid. I'd also smoke the friend out for sitting me, and so he wouldn't be so bored (I don't really want him playing some violent video game while I'm tripping)

But I was thinking, since Spring Break is coming up, maybe I could get some then and trip during the day or something? Which would you personally prefer? I was thinking outdoors would be awesome.. But I don't know if I could stay out there for a full 12 hours. But I do love nature.


But anyways, do you have any tips for a first time LSD user? Meditate before? Listen to calming music during the trip? Stuff like that. Thanks

Personally, I like it better at night. But that is just me, and a lot of my friends. Let me tell you why. You don't need daylight to see, especially when you are high on acid. Also, it is good to have shadows around yourself so you can step into a shadow and not feel so conspicuous. Also, the darkness is beautiful, as is the moon and the stars and even streetlights reflected in puddles. I would definately NOT lock myself in a room. You will probably want to go for a walk. And a walk can turn into a very insightful pleasant adventure. Kind of like the Wizard of Oz! staying closed up in one room can get kind of claustrophobic sometimes. Just keep it open. Don't plan out your whole trip beforehand. keep it open. As for before you trip: just don't have any worries. That's it. Nice music befrore your trip won't influence your trip. But nice music while you are tripping is the most amazing thing there is. You never heard music until you heard it tripping! Seriously! Have your friend bring some of his/her favorite music also. And if your friend has ever done it before, might as well have him/her do some with you. Don't worry that he/she won't be able to babysit you. It helps to have someone on the same wavelength mentally as you. Communication will be so much easier and satisfying. there is even such a thing as telepathy, although some skeptics might disagree, but you may experience it. Definitely there is such thing as empathy! And empathy is beautiful! Also, you will be talking to him/her. He/she shouldn't be doing his/her own thing like playing video games. He/she should be having the same adventure as you. It will be fun and revelatory! If he/she is playing video games you will want to look over at him/her and want to get out of there. You will say "let's go for a walk outside!" Go for a walk outside at night, unless you live in the ghetto. Then come home and listen to some good music and smoke a bowl when you want to.

If the weather is nice go camping and build a fire and watch the dragons and snakes coil around in the coals!
You will have a great time, especially if your friends all say it is good stuff! Have fun!

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Personally, I like it better at night. But that is just me, and a lot of my friends. Let me tell you why. You don't need daylight to see, especially when you are high on acid. Also, it is good to have shadows around yourself so you can step into a shadow and not feel so conspicuous. Also, the darkness is beautiful, as is the moon and the stars and even streetlights reflected in puddles. I would definately NOT lock myself in a room. You will probably want to go for a walk. And a walk can turn into a very insightful pleasant adventure. Kind of like the Wizard of Oz! staying closed up in one room can get kind of claustrophobic sometimes. Just keep it open. Don't plan out your whole trip beforehand. keep it open. As for before you trip: just don't have any worries. That's it. Nice music befrore your trip won't influence your trip. But nice music while you are tripping is the most amazing thing there is. You never heard music until you heard it tripping! Seriously! Have your friend bring some of his/her favorite music also. And if your friend has ever done it before, might as well have him/her do some with you. Don't worry that he/she won't be able to babysit you. It helps to have someone on the same wavelength mentally as you. Communication will be so much easier and satisfying. there is even such a thing as telepathy, although some skeptics might disagree, but you may experience it. Definitely there is such thing as empathy! And empathy is beautiful! Also, you will be talking to him/her. He/she shouldn't be doing his/her own thing like playing video games. He/she should be having the same adventure as you. It will be fun and revelatory! If he/she is playing video games you will want to look over at him/her and want to get out of there. You will say "let's go for a walk outside!" Go for a walk outside at night, unless you live in the ghetto. Then come home and listen to some good music and smoke a bowl when you want to.

If the weather is nice go camping and build a fire and watch the dragons and snakes coil around in the coals!
You will have a great time, especially if your friends all say it is good stuff! Have fun!

This is so cool I have a great feeling I will have a more than good trip. And yea man, the stars out here look awesome. Especially while laying on the trampoline. I can't wait

Thanks a ton for the advice!

Definately jump on the trampoline!

Here's Tom with the weather.. Haha

Originally Posted by Foggy

Here's Tom with the weather.. Haha

Definately tripping.

Hey Motumz, you ever take that acid? I guess find myself interested because if all goes well I'll be taking shrooms with a very close friend in a few weeks. Either way, sounds like you were set up pretty good, I'd like to hear about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

Originally Posted by Supernova

Hey Motumz, you ever take that acid? I guess find myself interested because if all goes well I'll be taking shrooms with a very close friend in a few weeks. Either way, sounds like you were set up pretty good, I'd like to hear about it.

Sure did. Tripped a total of 6 times in probably 2 months. Laying on my trampoline listening to music surrounded by nature was probably the best thing I've ever experienced. I was tripping with a friend, and we were both struggling to hold on to reality as we were floating through space hah. We kept leaving our body every 5 minutes and snapping back because we knew we couldn't stay out there all night. Haha, then when we got in my house my parents were watching Napoleon Dynamite and the dude's head was like morphing. It was hilarious. My last trip was a great night. Full of euphoria, laughter, and crazy ideas.

Sadly, my tripping has come to an end, for now. I did something very bad recently and it has both robbed me of money, and my happiness. I'm pretty sure I'm depressed right now, so tripping is not an option. I don't even have the money to trip.

Karma is really hating on me right now..

Why do people even care about people smoking weed? it's like the most harmless drug on the planet, even more harmless then asprin. I smoke it so i'm frowned upon. I guess some people really believe everything the government say about it. It's iritating when you hear stories like "this person went crazy" or "Lots of people have died from it" and when you ask for a source they dodge.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Sure did. Tripped a total of 6 times in probably 2 months. Laying on my trampoline listening to music surrounded by nature was probably the best thing I've ever experienced. I was tripping with a friend, and we were both struggling to hold on to reality as we were floating through space hah. We kept leaving our body every 5 minutes and snapping back because we knew we couldn't stay out there all night. Haha, then when we got in my house my parents were watching Napoleon Dynamite and the dude's head was like morphing. It was hilarious. My last trip was a great night. Full of euphoria, laughter, and crazy ideas.

Sounds awesome, man. Did your parents know or are you just fucking good at hiding it?

I'd love to try LSD someday, although I understand it's difficult to obtain nowadays.
/jealous

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Why do people even care about people smoking weed? it's like the most harmless drug on the planet, even more harmless then asprin. I smoke it so i'm frowned upon. I guess some people really believe everything the government say about it. It's iritating when you hear stories like "this person went crazy" or "Lots of people have died from it" and when you ask for a source they dodge.

Don't worry about those morons, they don't get it. Do what you're going to do, as long as you're not hurting anyone else anyone who has a problem with that can fuck off.

Originally Posted by dream yogi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

I posted a thread on this video just a while back. It got like 2 views coz I posted it in Science and Mathematics. I thought people might wanna discuss the Science side of it. Guess I was wrong lol

But here's my thread on it, check it out. The study was actually real but some people just did a parody of it.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=97387

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Why do people even care about people smoking weed? it's like the most harmless drug on the planet, even more harmless then asprin. I smoke it so i'm frowned upon. I guess some people really believe everything the government say about it. It's iritating when you hear stories like "this person went crazy" or "Lots of people have died from it" and when you ask for a source they dodge.

It's coz people are generally fucking morons. They don't have the balls to do what they want to do so they try to stop other people from doing their own thing too. I always here of people going crazy from weed. It's a logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation.
People don't see it any other way because it's been pounded in to their heads by media/government and people who have been influenced by media and government.

But if you just look at that solid scientific evidence, saying that Cannabis causes people to go crazy is just as illogical as saying police cause fights. Just coz the police are there, doesn't mean they caused the fight. And obviously it is actually (mostly) the opposite, police come to a fight to break it up.
In the same way, Cannabis is used by a person likely to become crazy because it helps them reduce their symptoms.
I suggest you show them studies of CBD. It is a Cannabinoid found in the Cannabis plant which actually has been shown in scientific studies to be just as effective as atypical antipsychotics (the newest ones) but with less side effects.

As for the dying from weed.... lol Show them studies from the 1950's ffs. Scientists have actually tried purposely to kill animals with ounces of Cannabis extract injected in to them. The dogs fell asleep for 2 and a half days and woke up a bit tired.

Sorry missed your thread. Good catch. I'd seen that vid on another forum a while back. So funny so had to post. I didn't know it was based on a real study. Whoever put the vid together did a great job. Thanx for the background info on it.