Thread: LSD explained for what it is.

I wasnt totally clear sorry...when I think / see blood and horror. It's only with my eyes closed. I have a great time with them open. Seeing music as colors...etc

Shrooms do reduce the ego into a oneness with the universe feeling.

I have a few questions about LSD if you don't mind:

For one thing how similar to P. Cubensis are they? I am very experienced with shrooms (done them about 20+ times) and never once experienced a bad trip. Evertime I do them I come out with something similar to what you have experienced... an overall appreciation for the small parts of the world (mostly nature) and also what shroom users call the "after glow". I've been wary of trying LSD mostly because so many people tell me about bad trips and flashbacks, but after seeing those videos on it I believe I now want to try.

How long do flashbacks last for, and how intense are they? Are they just as intense and long as a normal LSD trip?

And for a first time acid experience would it be possible to trip on half a tab? My friend told me to cut it in half for my first and second trips, then after I have gotten used to the experience take the entire blotter.

One more... you said you have experimented with many different psychadelics... would that include Amanita Muscaria (Fly Agaric)? If so how closely do LSD and Fly Agaric trips relate?

I've taken mushrooms about 9 or 10 times and LSD about 13 or 14 times, and to be honest I find LSD much easier to handle. Don't get me wrong, I love mushrooms, but mushrooms (at least for the doses I've taken) are much more intense. I need to have a safe-house where I can chill when I eat mushrooms, and I need to be around people I trust and love. With acid however, I have no problem being in a public place with lots of strange people such as a festival or a phish show where I'll dance my ass off, something I could never do on mushrooms. I have never had a flashback, and I have never talked to anyone who has (I know a lot of people who use LSD). However this doesn't mean they don't happen. Here is a youtube video which discusses flashbacks pretty thoroughly. I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that it's something you only have to worry about with frequent, heavy LSD use.

As far as the actual experiential differences of the trip, a mushroom trip lasts about 5-6 hours, and an LSD trip lasts about 9-12 hours. I only sometimes experience visuals from mushrooms, but I almost always get very pretty visuals from LSD. I have never had a bad trip from LSD, and I have only had a few moments during my LSD trips where anxiety started to creep in. However for me, I almost always experience anxiety for extended amounts of time during my mushroom experiences. It always resolves though, and I end up feeling much more whole and happier than I did before I tripped.

If you've tripped mushrooms more than 20 times then I'm pretty confident you would have no problem having a great trip from LSD. If you feel hesitant, there's no harm in taking a half hit or a hit your first time, but like I said, you would probably have no problem taking 2 hits your first time.

O yes one more thing. On mushrooms I usually just like to listen to silence or the subtle sounds of nature: crickets, wind blowing through the trees, rain, etc. There things are all very nice to listen to while on LSD too, but I have found that LSD enhances music soooo much more than anything I've ever experienced. If you do try it, make sure you bring a CD of some awesome music you want to listen to.

Years ago I was a person who dabbled in such things..."I" of course referring to a very fluid concept. The fungus is potent, but earthy and "darker", however not implying negative. High doses do induce deeper trips, but these still feel more earthbound. Uncle Cid is more like a crazy wild animal - it doesn't just take you places, it rips you out of your body to worlds beyond imagination. Be careful with that one, it can rip you to shreds if you're not careful...I've met some high dosing folks who never came off the merry-go-round. For a while I was one.

Originally Posted by MrFantasy

I've taken mushrooms about 9 or 10 times and LSD about 13 or 14 times, and to be honest I find LSD much easier to handle...

It's strange that you would say that... out of all the people I've talked to about differences/ similarities between caps and acid you're the first person I've heard say that you think LSD is less intense. I've always heard it was a cry baby shroom experience (you trip so much harder and longer than shrooms that you're crying to come down).

The fact that flashbacks (hopefully) aren't as coming for a first timer is uplifting, and I certainly would like to see some very good visuals. The most I've gotten out of caps (4 grams, holy shit) was seeing colors that weren't there actually emerge and swirl around out of nowhere and thinking a wall was breathing. Usually things just get a lot brighter, sometimes colorful, and shimmers. One of the reasons I'm so fond of shrooms is that I feel ULTRA connected with nature, and the environment, which is truly a divine feeling. Plus you're able to see things in a new light and different perspectives that can change the way you view some topics for the rest of your life. Incredible. So far it sounds to me that acid is more of a visual thing. Now tell me if I'm wrong, but my perspective is: take acid, see shit and get freaked out. Take caps: connect with nature, bring out your inner voice, let your body fuse with the world. I'll probably try LSD but I doubt I'll like it, I'm just a shroom guy I guess.

It's true, listening to nature is one of the best things you can do. Being outside in the rain is MIND BLOWING. Listening to music while tripping caps is a good thing to do, but not marvelous.

There's something else I've been wondering, if you've tried Salvia before, what's that compared to an Alice trip.

I have never taken a large enough dose of LSD to actually "hallucinate," such as see things that completely are not there. When I say visuals, I mean objects breath, clouds will swirl around and morph, bunches of leaves in a tree will move in geometric fractal patterns, ripples in water will blow your mind, and other things like the grain in wood will swirl and move when you look at them.

I have done salvia a few times. Most of the times I tried it I only felt it a little bit, but one of the times I actually "got off." It was the most intense/weirdest/scariest drug experience of my life and I haven't done it since, but I'm thinking I might sometime. Salvia is nothing like LSD, at least not at the doses I've taken. Acid is much calmer, you won't forget your name on acid. Acid can freak you out a little bit, but it can also make you laugh your ass off, and weep for joy. It's really all about set and setting, but you probably already know that being an experienced mushroom user.

One thing you should know if you try it, it takes about 45 min-1.5 hours to kick in, and because it peaks right away the come-up is the most intense part. This graph from erowid shows it well. You will probably feel anxious, tense, and a little nervous/weird during the first hour of it, but once you get over the initial hump just go with the flow and you'll be groovin'.

Originally Posted by MrFantasy

I have never taken a large enough dose of LSD to actually "hallucinate," such as see things that completely are not there. When I say visuals, I mean objects breath, clouds will swirl around and morph, bunches of leaves in a tree will move in geometric fractal patterns, ripples in water will blow your mind, and other things like the grain in wood will swirl and move when you look at them.

I have done salvia a few times. Most of the times I tried it I only felt it a little bit, but one of the times I actually "got off." It was the most intense/weirdest/scariest drug experience of my life and I haven't done it since, but I'm thinking I might sometime. Salvia is nothing like LSD, at least not at the doses I've taken. Acid is much calmer, you won't forget your name on acid. Acid can freak you out a little bit, but it can also make you laugh your ass off, and weep for joy. It's really all about set and setting, but you probably already know that being an experienced mushroom user.

One thing you should know if you try it, it takes about 45 min-1.5 hours to kick in, and because it peaks right away the come-up is the most intense part. This graph from erowid shows it well. You will probably feel anxious, tense, and a little nervous/weird during the first hour of it, but once you get over the initial hump just go with the flow and you'll be groovin'.

In my previous post I wrote "coming" instead of "common" ha ha. Oops. Oh trust me I know exactly what you mean when you say you've never actually "hallucinated" while tripping Alice/ shrooms, as in you believe that someone or something you perceive with your ears or eyes is, in fact, 100% real. Only stuff like certain Alkaloids and DMT can do that shit. From all the posts and reviews about taking LSD that I have read, it sounds a lot like I've experienced "RELATIVELY" close to the same visual experience while on P. Cubensis.

I have done salvia also, but both times I tripped way to hard to enjoy it. I was just wondering if it was like acid, because if you would have said "yes" then that would definitely be a turn off. (Whew!)

Oh yes ha "set and setting, set and setting", the most common thing you'll ever here from a previous tripper.

I know about how long it takes, and I think I'm pretty accustomed to long periods of pre trip time. Is acid like caps in the sense that it creeps up on you and than smacks you in the face?

Hey, thanks for answering all of my questions BTW. This is more help than what I could have gotten from 20 other websites.

Nicely explained Mr.Fantasy,
This "Okayness" sounds like the state of surrender I spoke of earlier. It will show you all your flaws, but because the ego is removed for that level of introspection you can see all your flaws objectively: Without fear, Without Guilt, without Shame, Without Grief, Without Lies, Without Illusion and Without Earthly attatchment(note how these 7 "Sins" correspond to the 7 main Characteristics of the Ego that can block each of the 7 Chakra's From Root to Crown respectively)

Being stripped of Ego by a psychedelic or other medium results in all life energy flowing freely through you again. This is a state of Zen. Enlightenment. Complete stillness of Mind. Being ultimately open in the here and now and no longer being self-absorbed with thoughts, worries, feelings, memories concerning the past and the future.

This is how we are supposed to be.

Originally Posted by baccuss

I wasnt totally clear sorry...when I think / see blood and horror. It's only with my eyes closed. I have a great time with them open. Seeing music as colors...etc

Shrooms do reduce the ego into a oneness with the universe feeling.

Like all different parts of your body belong to you, so do all living creatures on this Earth belong to the massive Earth body. And so does all of existance.

Your Arm is no seperate entity, it is part of you. Your arm, together with the rest of your physical and nonphysical being, forms a whole that is "You". Similairly "You" are no seperate entity from the Earth of the planet you walk on and all other living beings on that planet. Together it forms a whole that is hard to name. It has been called many things, this "whole"; Allah, Buddha, Jahweh, Jah, Elohim, Addonai, Krishna, Eloh, Tao, God, Zeus, Charles Mingus..etc

The physical and spiritual/mental enviroment around you should be seen as an extention of "You". As an extention of your own, individual being. You are in no way even remotely seperate from the rest of existance. It is the Ego that limits our sense of "self" to our physical bodies and the therein present "individual" thoughts, experiences, beliefs and desires. If a psychedelic is taken, the Ego is dissolved and suddenly we have no problem at all seeing how there is no "border" whatsover between your "own" body, and the physical enviroment around you. And that there is no border either between your "own" consciousness and that of any other human, Fish, Insect, Tree, Mushroom or Plant.

All of existance is one being.

If human communities dissolve the Ego on a frequent basis with Entheogenic plants and substances, like Santo Daime's people do, then they would remain in this state of Egoless, blissfull, awakened consciousness and it would greatly benefit the social structure of their communities.

Cause the true enemy of mankind aren't manipulative Reptilians, Aliens, Mutants, Matrix Programmers, Jews, Gays or Communists like many wackos keep trying to have us believe.

The only True enemy of Mankind is it's Ego. It is the cause of all human miserable, destructive behaviour.

I must say that documentary has tempted me...