Socialism

[Sornaensis]

Oh wow:

[Licity]

I finished reading that /b/ post on the laptop that I purchased with money I earned through my own labor, then proceeded to take a sip of coffee from a mug I made myself out of ceramics. Then I went to the kitchen in the house that I hold the deed to and made myself a sandwich using ingredients I purchased from a privately owned store and bread that I baked myself.

[tkdyo]

I guess he missed the memo that our infrastructure "highways, bridges" are one of the most unsafe out of all first world countries, also how bad our education system is..the list goes on

[khh]

I guess he missed the memo that our infrastructure "highways, bridges" are one of the most unsafe out of all first world countries, also how bad our education system is..the list goes on Cause surely all the poor kids would do much better if they couldn't afford to attend school at all.

[tkdyo]

ah, no. The point is that just because its state funded doesnt mean its good. Likewise if you are going pure free market you then have to look around for what the best is, but at least there are options. I just hate anything that seems to glorify one side and demonize the other, because it seems to me that its pretty obvious we need a mix for the best result.

[ChrissyMaria]

I guess he missed the memo that our infrastructure "highways, bridges" are one of the most unsafe out of all first world countries, also how bad our education system is..the list goes on and how the electrical grid is falling apart, and how everyone thinks the FCC is a joke, and how the FDA approves dangerous drugs. oh yea, those work great, and the postal service is going broke.. And the roads and bridges are crumbling. we're doing just fine, LOL Government run anything is fail for the most part. Government needs to be shown where its place is, constrained and locked away like a little bitch, its OUR LITTLE BITCH which we should boss around and tell what to do. And I tell it to protect our unalienable rights, to obey the oath they take, if they do not obey they are shamefully booted out of office and have their bodyguards taken off duty, they deserve no protection, traitors deserve to be left out on their own. Then, they should make sure we are a republic, a constitutional republic, not a stupid Greek democracy, rule of the majority, oppression of the minority. Then we would have competently built and maintained roads and bridges built by companies, not departments of failure. the DOT's sad attempt to maintain the road system is obvious, they patch holes with cheap asphalt quick and easy, and they just pray it holds...what a plan! Not to mention our fragile electrical grid system which can totally fail at any given moment, remember the blackout of 2003? that was caused by 1 power line knocked out in the middle of the us, which shut power off all the way to new york city and far beyond. DOE is doing a shit job, DOEducation is also doing a shit job, the CDC is a fucking lying joke, the UN and FDA and FCC are irrelevant and retarded. How about the department of agricultures failure to stop salmonella popping up everywhere in vegetables and other strange sources? Why is our produce so harmfully covered in unsafe artificial pesticides?...because of them.. Organically grown non doa approved food is WAY better, with natural pesticides like sulfur and garlic, or some farms use specific insects or small animals to feed off the insects which like the crops. Better yet, if we weren't on the governments antiquated system, we would have had a huge farming industry of hydroponically grown vegetables and fruits, grown with ZERO pesticides organically, indoors in a greenhouse, no soil no fertilizer, cheaper cost...cost effective and way healthier....or the governments subsidized outdoor failure alternative. subsidization doesn't work, let the free market decide the best product, not some douche in a suit who doesn't understand the issues he attempts to fix with useless legislature and subsidized money and regulations and rules..

[Laughing Man]

I encourage all to say no to socialism. Let us end road socialism, military socialism, legal socialism and all other forums of disgusting coercive collectivist thought. Privatize that which moves and that which doesn't.

[Invader]

Fire Department is socialized. Damn them to Hell.

[tkdyo]

^ yeah, cause its their fault their underfunded >.>

[Laughing Man]

Fire Department is socialized. Damn them to Hell. It is a cruel tragedy. Why should you be forced against your will to pay for services that you have the ability to never use in a given year? Are fire departments necessary for a society? Of course. The real question is who can provide a better services, the government or the private market.

[Universal Mind]

[Bonsay]

[Universal Mind]

That is a poster for the kind of totalitarian government necessary to maintain socialism. I don't eat for anybody, and I would say business owners get a lot of the credit for feeding people. Also, I am not fooled by religious leaders and have never been shot at. Plus, we elect our leaders, so they don't "rule" us. They just govern our system after we decide they can.

[ChrissyMaria]

you need to replace the word capitalism with socialism/communism/fascism Nazi's were socialists ya know, national socialist party of germany WAS the nazi party. So pretty much if you like socialism, you like a certain view hitler/mussolini had. They also were fascists in the sense that they were working side by side with big corporations, fascism is pretty much a merger between big business and big government, (mussolini was quoted saying that fascism is really corporatism) and the part of socialism is hitler taking all the wealth and using it for himself, and the military spending enormous budget. Its quite funny how hitler despised the communists, when socialism which he engaged in is in fact a wing of communism.

[Universal Mind]

There was also the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which was that poster minus the religious figures.

[Bonsay]

That's what I wanted to convey with that poster.

[mini0991]

This is what happens when there is no concept of property. Without capitalism, there can be no concept of property. Hence, socialism blows.

[Universal Mind]

This is what happens when there is no concept of property. Without capitalism, there can be no concept of property. Hence, socialism blows. That is why socialists are not allowed in my house. They don't believe in individual ownership, so I see no reason why they wouldn't steal stuff from me. The fact that somebody owns something means nothing to them.

[khh]

Wow, you people don't have perspective at all. You treat the term "socialism" as if it was a synonym of communism, when there are infact many different politics now, which falls under the term socialism. That is why socialists are not allowed in my house. They don't believe in individual ownership, so I see no reason why they wouldn't steal stuff from me. The fact that somebody owns something means nothing to them. I assure you, it's quite possible to be a socialist and yet have a deep respect for ownership.

[Universal Mind]

I assure you, it's quite possible to be a socialist and yet have a deep respect for ownership. Please explain that. How do people who are committed to taking away the property of others (or "making it everybody else's property") respect the property of others? I have never heard a socialist say anything like, "Well, it is THEIR property, and we need to consider that." The matter means absolutely nothing to them.

[Taosaur]

Please explain that. How do people who are committed to taking away the property of others (or "making it everybody else's property") respect the property of others? I have never heard a socialist say anything like, "Well, it is THEIR property, and we need to consider that." The matter means absolutely nothing to them. Do you accept the existence of a 'commons?' That some things are in fact everyone's property, or too vital to common survival to be allotted as personal property?

[mini0991]

Do you accept the existence of a 'commons?' That some things are in fact everyone's property, or too vital to common survival to be allotted as personal property? But certainly not *all* things are everyone's. I worked hard in life to earn what little I have. Why should someone who sits around and smokes crack all day or mooches off everything without working for anything get what I earned? Nothing would get done in society and nothing would be fair. We'd turn our first-class society into a third world dump.

[Universal Mind]

Do you accept the existence of a 'commons?' That some things are in fact everyone's property, or too vital to common survival to be allotted as personal property? The ocean, space, oxygen... Yeah, but (as mini said) that does not mean everything is. Not even most things are. Socialists don't have the mere attitude that some things are so vital they have to be considered everybody's. They have the attitude that all property is a free for all. They don't say, "I know that property belongs to those people who worked so hard for it, but dammit, we have to take it to help people with very little. This really sucks." Their attitude is, "Ha ha, screw the rich. They suck. Let's sock it to 'em! Screw them and their wealth!" Socialists don't respect other people's property on any level.

[ChrissyMaria]

the problem UM with socialism is not taking money just from the rich, usually the money ends up being taken from middle class folks also, so they can give it to people like octomom who had 8 kids who wants to mooch off societies retarted entitlement programs which reward lazyness and punish hard work. Thats the problem today, socialism encourages people to be lazy and collect Unemployment checks and welfare and food stamps and all of these incentives to never get a job. They are giving encouragement to jobless people, to not get a job...by handing out all this crap to them, and they punish hard work by taxing the hard worker and giving it to a crackhead or an octomom freak.

[Invader]

So pretty much if you like socialism, you like a certain view hitler/mussolini had. Talk about a loaded statement.