Should Marijuana be Legal?

so just to be clear, who here isn't for legalizing it

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so just to be clear, who here isn't for legalizing it

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Noogah most certainly would be

I just found a wonderful resource for anybody that wants to read more on it: The Emperor Wears No Clothes

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Originally Posted by Odd_Nonposter

Noogah most certainly would be

I just found a wonderful resource for anybody that wants to read more on it: The Emperor Wears No Clothes

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Hemp clothes yay, I've read that at least twenty times.

man, I'll have to read that some night when I'm not so tired

GUYS THIS IS IMPORTANT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f9O4FFQyAE

Lol! Nothing can hurt me!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f9O4FFQyAE

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HAH!

Scary enough, there are people that do believe that.

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

Not a chance in hell. It's price is high because it's illegal, legalize it and the price drops like a rock.

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Are you sure it will drop that much? I thought that since there would be more people buying it, it could boost. And trust me, there would be plenty of people willing to do that.

Another point is that if we legalise weed then it'll be safer to use. These days unless you're growing it everyone only seems to be into the money so you get proper shitty deals and laced with opiates and even glass sometimes. It's dangerous stuff. It's for a similar reason I think prostitution should be legalised.

People 'lace' their hoes.

Didn't notice this thread had moved on... damn, I must be stoned and not realise it!

@Odd Nonposter; I can testify to what you said about cannabis helping PTSD. I have recently noticed that a lot of the symptoms I have experienced with regards to my paranoia were actually PTSD. I used to get irrational hunches and gut feelings but when I traced them all, I found out it was caused by my fear of hell. When I started to use cannabis most of these things went away and stayed that way. I have not become any more naturally paranoid since. One thing I noted especially is that it was much, MUCH better than prozac!

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Originally Posted by Xedan

Lol! Nothing can hurt me!

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Noo uuuu.

all i can say is the day it happens will be one hell of a day... if it happens. I have faith though... but if it doens't, i'm planning on selling my books and moving to Spain

Well I just took a marijuana quiz on facebook and it seems I know my shit, so to speak.

Hi guys. In spirit of Christmas, I thought I'd give you all a warm season's greetings and to top it off, I'll chip in on this thread. The amazingness.

I live in the Netherlands, where weed is legal decriminalized and homegrowing is tolerated within reason (4 plants per person for personal use). For those who are oblivious, this means we also get to buy weed in cofffeeshops (up to 5 grams a day per adult officially, but most coffeeshops don't care about the 5gr limit).

Sure, there's still some street dealing but since coffeeshop weed is pretty cheap (between €5 and €15 a gram averagely, depending on what kind) and it's usually very high quality. I've been to a bunch of countries abroad and none of the weed I've smoked there has ever been as good as -any- weed I could get in the Netherlands. Then again, I didn't have any contacts so maybe if you have contacts you can get good stuff abroad. We had to get it from random street dealers (which I'm always pretty weary of, considering you never know what shit they put in there).

That aside, the generally low prices and quality of coffeeshop weed has driven down and reduced marijuana related criminality to very low. The economy gets boosted (tourists go to Amsterdam for the MJ, or tourists from bordering countries go to cities near the border) and the government can regulate what kinds of weed most people smoke (obviously not people who still use street dealers), ensuring at least some form of quality.

Personally I think the legalization of drugs is a very good thing. I was raised with all the freedom from both my parents and the country's culture and laws, and undoubtedly some/lots of people from (conservative?) families (I'm guessing mostly from the US) will have a completely different view. From what I've seen in practice though, legalization comes mostly with advantages. Disadvantages being people might be "encouraged" to smoke more since it's easier to obtain, but then again, people who aren't interested would still be reluctant to consume the drug.

I'm also for the regulated legalization/decriminalization of heroin, for the exact same reasons - enormous reduction in drug-related criminality.

Also, major lol at "I take one hit and think I'm invincible". Typical US conservative based-on-prejudizes propaganda. It's just fixation but damn, it's a nasty one.

On a sidenote, what the fuck, a sensible post from me? What?

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Originally Posted by TweaK

Hi guys. In spirit of Christmas, I thought I'd give you all a warm season's greetings and to top it off, I'll chip in on this thread. The amazingness.

I live in the Netherlands, where weed is legal decriminalized and homegrowing is tolerated within reason (4 plants per person for personal use). For those who are oblivious, this means we also get to buy weed in cofffeeshops (up to 5 grams a day per adult officially, but most coffeeshops don't care about the 5gr limit).

Sure, there's still some street dealing but since coffeeshop weed is pretty cheap (between €5 and €15 a gram averagely, depending on what kind) and it's usually very high quality. I've been to a bunch of countries abroad and none of the weed I've smoked there has ever been as good as -any- weed I could get in the Netherlands. Then again, I didn't have any contacts so maybe if you have contacts you can get good stuff abroad. We had to get it from random street dealers (which I'm always pretty weary of, considering you never know what shit they put in there).

That aside, the generally low prices and quality of coffeeshop weed has driven down and reduced marijuana related criminality to very low. The economy gets boosted (tourists go to Amsterdam for the MJ, or tourists from bordering countries go to cities near the border) and the government can regulate what kinds of weed most people smoke (obviously not people who still use street dealers), ensuring at least some form of quality.

Personally I think the legalization of drugs is a very good thing. I was raised with all the freedom from both my parents and the country's culture and laws, and undoubtedly some/lots of people from (conservative?) families (I'm guessing mostly from the US) will have a completely different view. From what I've seen in practice though, legalization comes mostly with advantages. Disadvantages being people might be "encouraged" to smoke more since it's easier to obtain, but then again, people who aren't interested would still be reluctant to consume the drug.

I'm also for the regulated legalization/decriminalization of heroin, for the exact same reasons - enormous reduction in drug-related criminality.

Also, major lol at "I take one hit and think I'm invincible". Typical US conservative based-on-prejudizes propaganda. It's just fixation but damn, it's a nasty one.

On a sidenote, what the fuck, a sensible post from me? What?

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I agreed up with you till the legaliztion/decriminalization of heroin.. Why would we legalize something very dangerous. The reason we want Weed legal cause it's 100% safe. Then look at heroin, legalizing that means everybody would be doing it and thats not good trust me.

No.

Weed isn't 100% safe. Smoking weed will put more tar in your lungs than smoking tobacco. Smoking weed might accelerate the activation of any possible "hidden" schizophrenia and paranoia related disorders (ie it might activate/accelerate it for people who are already sensitive to it, genetics wise). Smoking weed can cause mental addiction, and so on. It's relatively harmless, which is something other than 100% safe.

Heroin is obviously different, often being physicially insta-addictive and being way worse for you physically and mentally. However, organized crime makes a shitton of money from heroin, especially because of its illegality. People addicted to heroin are -forced- to get in contact with the criminal scene because there is no other way of obtaining this drug. People who want to use heroin will use it anyway, whether it's legal or illegal, so it's best to have it regulated and controlled.

The reason people won't massively start using heroin if it'd be legalized is the same reason not every single living person smokes weed in countries where it's legal/decriminalized: because there's such a thing as common sense. Just because it's legal doesn't mean everyone will do it. It means the people who want to do it will have easier, legal ways of doing so, without the criminality.

Also, I'm not saying everyone should just be able to walk into a apothecary/coffeeshop/whatever and ask for a shot of heroin, there should obviously be some sort of system and proper information and drug education. Not "drugs are bad, m'kay", but truly objective facts and information. People should be aware of what drugs actually do to you, and not "lolz i just took a hit, i m invincible i can shoot mizelf wit shotgun LOL!", as I mentioned earlier. People can then choose to either have a go, or leave it alone.

Personally, I think the reduction of criminality outweights the extra amount of people who would use heroin when legal who wouldn't when it's illegal, because the amount isn't that big and again, they wouldn't (or less) be getting into criminality.

NO NO NO!

MARIJUANA SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!

it gives you canser n makes u go inane and makes u sexually impotant n kills brain sells and makes u turn homo

You're homo.

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Originally Posted by CanceledCzech

NO NO NO!

MARIJUANA SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!

it gives you canser n makes u go inane and makes u sexually impotant n kills brain sells and makes u turn homo

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man i hope you're meaning this as a joke, i really do...
especially:

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and makes u turn homo

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Originally Posted by TweaK

No.

Weed isn't 100% safe. Smoking weed will put more tar in your lungs than smoking tobacco. Smoking weed might accelerate the activation of any possible "hidden" schizophrenia and paranoia related disorders (ie it might activate/accelerate it for people who are already sensitive to it, genetics wise). Smoking weed can cause mental addiction, and so on. It's relatively harmless, which is something other than 100% safe.

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Why does that make it up to anybody other than the potential user whether the potentil user smokes weed? Shouldn't it be that person's decision?

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Originally Posted by TweaK

Heroin is obviously different, often being physicially insta-addictive and being way worse for you physically and mentally. However, organized crime makes a shitton of money from heroin, especially because of its illegality. People addicted to heroin are -forced- to get in contact with the criminal scene because there is no other way of obtaining this drug. People who want to use heroin will use it anyway, whether it's legal or illegal, so it's best to have it regulated and controlled.

The reason people won't massively start using heroin if it'd be legalized is the same reason not every single living person smokes weed in countries where it's legal/decriminalized: because there's such a thing as common sense. Just because it's legal doesn't mean everyone will do it. It means the people who want to do it will have easier, legal ways of doing so, without the criminality.

Also, I'm not saying everyone should just be able to walk into a apothecary/coffeeshop/whatever and ask for a shot of heroin, there should obviously be some sort of system and proper information and drug education. Not "drugs are bad, m'kay", but truly objective facts and information. People should be aware of what drugs actually do to you, and not "lolz i just took a hit, i m invincible i can shoot mizelf wit shotgun LOL!", as I mentioned earlier. People can then choose to either have a go, or leave it alone.

Personally, I think the reduction of criminality outweights the extra amount of people who would use heroin when legal who wouldn't when it's illegal, because the amount isn't that big and again, they wouldn't (or less) be getting into criminality.

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Yes!

Welcome back after all that time. :)

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Why does that make it up to anybody other than the potential user whether the potentil user smokes weed? Shouldn't it be that person's decision?

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What? That made no sense. Of course it's the person's decision, which is exactly why I'm for heroin legalization/decriminalization. I trust people aren't stupid enough to massively start using it. The same goes for weed, and in practice (over here at least) it seems to be true - lots, if not the majority, of Dutch people still frown upon cannabis and would never use it. My point was that he said that cannabis should be legal because "it's 100% safe", which it isn't.

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Welcome back after all that time. :)

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I'm not back. I was cleaning up and backing up bookmarks from my old PC, and saw DV. Then I came across this topic, and thought I'd reply.

That being said, I'm off again. Merry christmas.

Weed doesn't need to be legal..it needs to be MANDATORY....Why go through life stressed and taking everything so serious all the time..playing a role society gives us.

Pharmaceuticals is the shit that needs to be illegal. Seriously...Big Pharma is a fucking joke...a big ass scheme to fill pockets with money. ADHD/ADD is NOT a real disorder. ADHD/ADD is a fraud. Seriously, look it up.

All these so called "medications" and "vaccines" are hyped up by propaganda. These medicines just fuck you up, make you conform with society, and make you docile and slow...especially talking about Ritalin.

This is why I don't take any medication or any vaccine from anyone. I just smoke weed, breathe and be happy. I supposedly have allergies, but I haven't even had symptoms of it for like the past year or two now. I haven't gotten so much as a sore throat or cold in a long time.

The truth is that stress of the mind..or DIS-EASE is what causes ailments and shit like cancer. But they won't tell you that, they just want your money. SO they keep on scheming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bAkrGYkV10

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Originally Posted by TweaK

What? That made no sense. Of course it's the person's decision, which is exactly why I'm for heroin legalization/decriminalization. I trust people aren't stupid enough to massively start using it. The same goes for weed, and in practice (over here at least) it seems to be true - lots, if not the majority, of Dutch people still frown upon cannabis and would never use it. My point was that he said that cannabis should be legal because "it's 100% safe", which it isn't.

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The thread question is, "Should marijuana be legal?" and your answer was this.

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Originally Posted by TweaK

No.

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Then you went into the problems with marijuana and how heroin is different.

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Weed doesn't need to be legal..it needs to be MANDATORY....Why go through life stressed and taking everything so serious all the time..playing a role society gives us.

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Marijuana causes extremely severe anxiety attacks for a whole lot of people. It is usually adults who have that reaction, while teens and people in their very early twenties generally don't have anxiety attacks. I would say the vast majority of people I know who have smoked pot since they turned 27 hate pot because it causes them such horrendous anxiety. Stick around.

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

ADHD/ADD is a fraud.

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You have obviously never met me. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Marijuana causes extremely severe anxiety attacks for a whole lot of people. It is usually adults who have that reaction, while teens and people in their very early twenties generally don't have anxiety attacks. I would say the vast majority of people I know who have smoked pot since they turned 27 hate pot because it causes them such horrendous anxiety. Stick around.

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I had a panic attack on weed once. The problem is most people subconsciously are in fear..and are stressed from life basically and don't breathe deeply. Especially as you get older.

This has nothing to do with weed...the weed just brings the subconscious to the surface.

Shallow breathing is what CAUSES panics and anxiety attacks. NOT the other way around.

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You have obviously never met me. :lol:

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Please explain? Because ADHD is invented bra..

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The thread question is, "Should marijuana be legal?" and your answer was this.

"No."

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Haha. No. You misread my posts. I said "No" to the post above me. I had posted in the thread earlier, (post #462, 2 posts above the one that started with "No.") stating I thought marijuana SHOULD be legalized where isn't yet, and I stated the problems marijuana can cause/causes because the post I replied to said it was "100% safe". I disagreed with that. I do, however, agree it should be legal.

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http://www.artofbonsai.org/galleries...bis_sativa.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/__ojxQCH-2-...Bof%2Bweed.jpg

Legalize it guys, that's all i want for Christmas....
(none of those photos were taken by me)

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Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Why does that make it up to anybody other than the potential user whether the potentil user smokes weed? Shouldn't it be that person's decision?

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Do you have any idea how much money is used on disabled people? That's also the case in the US of A... So minimizing disabilities is good for everyone.

HaRd_WiReD, you have no idea what you're talking about.