Let's Study Sacred Geometry

My high school biology teacher was one of the coolest science teachers I've ever had. We had a student teacher for a few months and he would go down to the library and read everyday during class and just let the student teach. When she left he came back and said the he had discovered the meaning of life.. I'm still not sure if he was serious or not. He said that the meaning of life was phi(the golden raito), and he explained a little about it. He even had a wooden symbol of that was painted gold and hanging in the front of the classroom.

I don't really have time to read this whole trhead or even the opening post, but I think this stuff is quite interesting. I've seen shapes similar to these while on LSD and thought about it briefly but never really came to any conclusion or done any research on it myself. Now that I look at it more closely I distinctly remember seeing that metatrons cube shape last time I tripped. I was staring out at the water talking with a friend about what God is and saw it kind of on top of my vision.

The patterns of the cosmos such as the spiral arms of galaxies conform to the laws of physics (another principle of nature). There's nothing mystical about it. They're very well understood scientific phenomena.

Don't berate Xei for attempting to educate you. You can't title a thread 'lets study Sacred Geometry' then chastise someone for STUDYING Sacred Geometry mathematically.

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Sacred Geometry is BOTH and NEITHER

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This is a nonsense statement. Make up your mind.

The tone of your last post was 'I want to understand the Universe through sacred geometry but don't bring your explanatory maths into this I'm too busy understanding stuff to let facts get in the way'.

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Originally Posted by juroara

ohh thank you! you posted the math!


thats nice!



but so what.



I'm not going to build a building here xei, I could careless about the math of the golden ratio.

And while you may think you're making yourself look so smart, it just makes you look foolish. Because the point of Sacred Geometry has gone way over your head

the very heart of Sacred Geometry is that everything is related. Everything is connected. Unity. This is the point of Sacred Geometry. This is WHY people study it. You study Sacred Geometry if you are interested in a holistic understanding of our universe.

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holism –noun Philosophy.
1. the theory that whole entities, as fundamental components of reality, have an existence other than as the mere sum of their parts.

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universe - the whole world, esp. with reference to humanity: a truth known throughout the universe.

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"holistic understanding of our universe" as a standalone phrase does not make sense. How can you get an understanding that everything that exists is more than the sum of itself? ANY understanding of the universe is by definition all-encompassing.

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Originally Posted by juroara

If someone wants to know the math of the golden ratio, they pull out a math book. If they want to know how the golden ratio is connected to the harmonics of music, Sacred Geometry is better than any math book.

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Why doesn't a music textbook work? Those do, in fact, exist. And in the ones I have seen, no Sacred Geometry shows up anywhere, unless you consider the number 2 to be somehow sacred.

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Originally Posted by juroara

you may freely post your opinion that everything is chance. however, this is not a thread to debate whether things are connected or whether things are chance.

this is instead a thread to discover how things are connected through Sacred Geometry, to gain a holistic knowledge for the mere joy of enrinching your mind. and then when you have this holistic knowledge you can apply it to either a left(scientific) or right(philosophical) brain activity.

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holism –noun Philosophy.
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Originally Posted by juroara

Sacred Geometry is NOT left brained (science and mathematics)

Sacred Geometry is NOT right brained (philosophy and religion)

Sacred Geometry is BOTH and NEITHER

There is a left-brained and a right-brained approach to studying Sacred Geometry, both are very different approaches. BOTH ARE EQUALLY VALID.

One asks you to quiet your mind and meditate. One asks you to know your sciences. But BOTH persons ENJOY the holistic feeling that Sacred Geometry has to offer. This wonderfull feeling of unity. They both enjoy it. They both welcome it. Even those who take the left-brain approach would never use chance to describe what they are seeing.

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holism –noun Philosophy.
1. the theory that whole entities, as fundamental components of reality, have an existence other than as the mere sum of their parts.

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If you want to attach the word "holistic" to everything in the post, please make sure you use it correctly.

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Originally Posted by juroara

There are however more right brained people studying it than left brained people.

This is not because there is no left brain approach or left brained application of it. But rather our formal education is left brained, so usually left brained people are very happy with formal education and are less likely to turn to alternative studies

The video that I posted is a left brain application of Sacred Geometry

the scientist looks at his geometrical design.......and realizes the design isn't perfect. it's missing two points. he literally adds two new points to his design. By doing so, he is theorizing that these two points are yet to be seen particles.

He even says he is using the Theory of Unification. This is Sacred Geometry.

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So far, there is no Theory of Unification, or as it is sometimes called, Grand Unification Theory. A Grand Unification Theory is any model that claims that all four fundamental interactions save gravity are mediated by the same field, especially at extremely high energy levels. Sure, lots of them have been proposed, but so far none of them have enough evidence to back themselves up.

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Originally Posted by Xei

The evidence shows that it clearly was due to chance.

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As far as I am aware there is lack of evidence when we look at how and why things began, only theory. If you claim there is evidence, please cite your sources.

When did I mention abiogenesis?

The most striking patterns in nature are organic, and organisms arise through natural selection, which is an uncontrolled, chaotic process.

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ohh thank you! you posted the math!


thats nice!



but so what.



I'm not going to build a building here xei, I could careless about the math of the golden ratio.

And while you may think you're making yourself look so smart, it just makes you look foolish. Because the point of Sacred Geometry has gone way over your head

the very heart of Sacred Geometry is that everything is related. Everything is connected. Unity. This is the point of Sacred Geometry. This is WHY people study it. You study Sacred Geometry if you are interested in a holistic understanding of our universe.

If someone wants to know the math of the golden ratio, they pull out a math book. If they want to know how the golden ratio is connected to the harmonics of music, Sacred Geometry is better than any math book.

you may freely post your opinion that everything is chance. however, this is not a thread to debate whether things are connected or whether things are chance.

this is instead a thread to discover how things are connected through Sacred Geometry, to gain a holistic knowledge for the mere joy of enrinching your mind. and then when you have this holistic knowledge you can apply it to either a left(scientific) or right(philosophical) brain activity.

Sacred Geometry is NOT left brained (science and mathematics)

Sacred Geometry is NOT right brained (philosophy and religion)

Sacred Geometry is BOTH and NEITHER

There is a left-brained and a right-brained approach to studying Sacred Geometry, both are very different approaches. BOTH ARE EQUALLY VALID.

One asks you to quiet your mind and meditate. One asks you to know your sciences. But BOTH persons ENJOY the holistic feeling that Sacred Geometry has to offer. This wonderfull feeling of unity. They both enjoy it. They both welcome it. Even those who take the left-brain approach would never use chance to describe what they are seeing.

There are however more right brained people studying it than left brained people.

This is not because there is no left brain approach or left brained application of it. But rather our formal education is left brained, so usually left brained people are very happy with formal education and are less likely to turn to alternative studies

The video that I posted is a left brain application of Sacred Geometry

the scientist looks at his geometrical design.......and realizes the design isn't perfect. it's missing two points. he literally adds two new points to his design. By doing so, he is theorizing that these two points are yet to be seen particles.

He even says he is using the Theory of Unification. This is Sacred Geometry.

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But YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE GOLDEN RATIO IS.

How can you possibly claim to have knowledge about how the golden ratio connects nature if you DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS.

You are a completely ignorant person, and even worse, you are willfully so. Everything you say is quite blatantly just regurgitated words, and when somebody actually tries to give you a clue, you shut your mind.

Everything you aspire to be you are not.

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Originally Posted by juroara

This Sacred Geometry pattern is called the Egg of Life...Do you know why?
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/Egg-of-Life.jpg

Count the spheres. Seven, with one in the center.

http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/hwang5hr_f.jpg

Look familiar?

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Ehh... Not willing to burst your bubble here, but there is no such thing as a stage with 7 cells in your development (unless you count IFV with PID). It goes along the powers of 2: 2, 4, 8, 16 etcetera.

This thread made me remember why I never come to this place again. Why can't you just be nice to eachother and stay calm?

This thread is getting quite ugly. Please tone it down a bit. Ease up on the personal attacks. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Licity

"holistic understanding of our universe" as a standalone phrase does not make sense. How can you get an understanding that everything that exists is more than the sum of itself? ANY understanding of the universe is by definition all-encompassing.

Why doesn't a music textbook work? Those do, in fact, exist. And in the ones I have seen, no Sacred Geometry shows up anywhere, unless you consider the number 2 to be somehow sacred.

So far, there is no Theory of Unification, or as it is sometimes called, Grand Unification Theory. A Grand Unification Theory is any model that claims that all four fundamental interactions save gravity are mediated by the same field, especially at extremely high energy levels. Sure, lots of them have been proposed, but so far none of them have enough evidence to back themselves up.

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you're losing track of what Sacred Geometry is about, and you're losing track of my posts in context

I don't understand what the language barrier is here guys, but Sacred Geometry is not mystical

nor does it propose to exist outside of our natural universe

on the other hand, it proposes that it IS the geometry of our natural universe. what in our reality, is not about of our natural universe? this is one reason why I call it holistic

holistic as in:
relating to or concerned with wholes or with complete systems rather than with the analysis of, treatment of, or dissection into parts

you can apply Sacred Geometry to biology, to physics, to mathematics

but it doesn't end there!

you can also apply Sacred Geometry to art, culture, religion, philosophy, architecture, engineering (my sister has examples in her design book)

this was why I said the applications were endless, because there are both left and right brain applications. and I dont know why I have to continously repeat myself, anyone who studies Sacred Geometry it is very holistic. It naturally leads to other fields of study, it doesn't box itself up

unless I have a hearing problem, the man in the video said "Theory of Unification". I dont care if his theory is right or wrong

it was merely an example of how you can apply Sacred Geometry, it was not an argument to whether or not the theory was correct

I also stressed unified, because many scientists stress how unified our universe is - for one reason or the other. I'm not a scientist, I am not arguing for or against their ideas. I was merely pointing out that both scientists and Sacred Geometry proposed similar ideas about our universe

in other words, Sacred Geometry has not gone against our sciences in any way. but rather offer a slightly different, perspective of the big picture

http://www.casimir.rl.ac.uk/Quantum%20foam.jpg

Quantum theory annihilates universal harmony.

Unless you join it with general relativity via superstring theory. But that's a whole 'nother thread.

Xei, I do have an understanding of the golden ratio, I also studied it when I was in college. And I found it boring, and I find it really misleading into what Sacred Geometry is all about.

I don't care to memorize formulas or numbers. I don't consider that knowledge to begin with. Just memory. If I needed the exact formula of the golden ratio - I can look it up

golden ratio is not composed of 'numbers'. The numbers that we use still are symbols representing something else. An alien race would have to translate our gibberish to make sense of it

geometry however is the purest and most universal language, needing no translation. For this reason, I personally am not interested in numbers. I am personally interested in pure geometry

and as my personal interest, it is my right to be personally interested in it. and I am not interested at all in math

so again, you don't understand what Sacred Geometry is all about. or how diverse its applications are.

personally I am ONLY interested in the right brain applications of Sacred Geometry, and you don't need math for that

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Originally Posted by Alextanium

The patterns of the cosmos such as the spiral arms of galaxies conform to the laws of physics (another principle of nature). There's nothing mystical about it. They're very well understood scientific phenomena.

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so scientific phenomena can not have a geometrical form to it?

That is all Sacred Geometry proposes as far as science goes. Nothing magical, just pure geometry to go with our understanding of the natural laws

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Don't berate Xei for attempting to educate you.

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Anyone who is an Ass can tell you what Xei was doing. And its not called educating

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This is a nonsense statement. Make up your mind.

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stop trying to box Sacred Geometry as being something purely mystical, or worse, something purely mathematical.

It is both and neither and thats just the nature of the game

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The tone of your last post was 'I want to understand the Universe through sacred geometry but don't bring your explanatory maths into this I'm too busy understanding stuff to let facts get in the way'.

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I welcome any form of knowledge in this thread pertaining to Sacred Geometry, be it its esoteric or scientific form. Granted those sharing knowledge do so respecting the nature of Sacred Geometry.

However, thats not what happened.

Xei asked me to derive for him the golden ratio.

When you first start studying Sacred Geometry, that is all you are supposed to do. Create Natures First Pattern. Find the Flower of Life. Find Metatrons Cube. Find the Golden Spiral and so on.

That was what I did for Xei and he is the one who attacked me for answering his question




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I am tired of repeating myself, this is a Sacred Geometry thread for those who would like to Study Sacred Geometry. Myself included

However, there are two ways to study Sacred Geometry, and anyone who studies it will eventually lead to one form over the other

There is a left brained way to study it, and a right brained way to study it

And the right brained way to study it, does not require math

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Originally Posted by stonedape

My high school biology teacher was one of the coolest science teachers I've ever had. We had a student teacher for a few months and he would go down to the library and read everyday during class and just let the student teach. When she left he came back and said the he had discovered the meaning of life.. I'm still not sure if he was serious or not. He said that the meaning of life was phi(the golden raito), and he explained a little about it. He even had a wooden symbol of that was painted gold and hanging in the front of the classroom.

I don't really have time to read this whole trhead or even the opening post, but I think this stuff is quite interesting. I've seen shapes similar to these while on LSD and thought about it briefly but never really came to any conclusion or done any research on it myself. Now that I look at it more closely I distinctly remember seeing that metatrons cube shape last time I tripped. I was staring out at the water talking with a friend about what God is and saw it kind of on top of my vision.

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Thousands of people have had these geometrical experiences. We usually just call them hallucinations.

But we have to consider the story of the Sri Yantra Mandala. How were those monks able to see the geometrical form of OM, before we had any technology to see it? What other mandalas do monks experience that we can show with technology?

This suggests the possibility, that in altered states of consciousness we can have a geometrical experience. Not just a hallucination. But an experience of the geometrical nature of our reality.

We can only sense a tiny fraction of reality. And even though we are sensing an objective reality, its a very tiny and specific perspective of reality. The human perspective.

Because of this, it's believed if you can experience the geometry of reality - you are having the most direct and the most true version of reality. After all, there is no language more universal than geometry.

If in altered states of mind people can directly experience this dazzling geometry............why can't it work the other way around? Can you meditate over Sacred Geometry and gain an experience in that way?

This is called Open Eye Meditation, and its something people have been doing for thousands of years. And hey, don't knock it till you've tried it!


"Although it is thought by some academics that open eye meditation can be intellectualized and understood without ever having experienced it, this is simply not true. It is like trying to describe to someone how to untie a complicated knot and then expect them to write instructions about it. Unless you have actually done open eye meditation regularly for a period of time, you aren't in a position to analyze it."

Or in some traditions, it's called Yantra

"The act of drawing and painting yantras teaches the mind how to concentrate, how to be one-pointed. To some people this practice of painting yantras is fascinating and absorbing, while others might not find it as interesting as doing calligraphy or singing, but creating a yantra can yield a valuable lesson. Yantra drawing requires accuracy, exactness, discipline, concentration, neatness and patience. The geometrical forms of the yantra activate the right hemisphere, which is visual and nonverbal."

The very act of making your own Mandala or Yantra, is a part of the open eye meditation process. Many mandala artists have testified to a geometrical out of body like experience, though their body was still painting.

Open Eye Meditation isn't for everyone. And most people probably prefer to just get high.

A more recent experiment is with sound. Cymantics shows us how sound produces these geometries. If the monks could experience the geometrical nature to the sound of their OM chanting, can we listen to Sacred Geometry to experience it? Some people claim you can. If the monks can, why not the rest of us?

One way or the other people have been having geometrical experiences in or around the body

http://www.crystalinks.com/startetradavinci.jpg

Another experience thats talked about is the star tetrahedron around the human body. It's being called these days as the Merkabah.

I've only experienced hallucinations once while meditating, and I was stoned at the time. It was also more of a color distortion than anything else. Everything I saw started to change colors, mostly neon green purple pink and blue. I don't really think of this as anymore a spiritual experience than any other moment of life. This was also before I regularly practiced open eye meditation.

1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21...

While some things seemingly change...

Nothing ever-changes...

For what purpose... and to what end...?

Breathe in...

Breathe out...

Not much more semantics necessary than that.

Knowledge in...

Knowledge out...

There will be a day... a reckoning of sorts for some that cling to anything here...

That all supposed knowledge one obtains will simply fade away as plainly as one's first memory did...

But just as your breath escapes you...

It returns again...

Take solace... in going back to...

Ground ZERO.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/...148/zero-0.jpg

In doing so... one remains humble to it...

'It' being this undefinable interconnecting principle to all that is...

Inexplicable... unspeakable...

Which is why I find it baffling that some proud individuals here would feel it necessary to berate others and push some arbitrary understanding of some digits and symbols forward as something more than it is...

Twisted in their thinking that knowing anything qualifies them as better or worse in any aspect of anything in this insane universe of trillions of circles spinning around one cylical undefinable point along with innumerable other circles spinning around innumerable other cyclical undefinable points.

All just are...

Let everything be...

And just...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/...8/galaxxxy.jpg

I've been trying to find sources that talk about the depth of harmonics and vibrations within Sacred Geometry. Interestingly, one of the best websites I've found is a crop circle research website. I made a thread about this website a while back. But it has even more to offer in terms of sacred geometry than most sacred geometry websites

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/

If you like cymatics, you'll like the website

"A hoax is a forgery, and forgers require a genuine from which to copy. So, what exactly lies behind real crop circles? In genuine formations the stems are not broken but bent, defeating the hoax argument, since a plank or garden roller is required to flatten the crop to the ground, resulting in clear damage to the plants.

The plants are subjected to a short and intense burst of heat which softens the stems to drop just above the ground at 90º, where they re-harden into their new position without damage. Research and laboratory tests suggest that infrasound is capable of producing such an effect: High-pressure infrasound is capable of boiling water inside the stems in one nanosecond, expanding the water, and leaving tiny blowholes in the plants' nodes."

The research on the website talks about the crop circles made by wooden planks, and the crop circles now believed to have been created with sound, and how the two are drastically different

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0401.gif


You'll have to hang up the hotly debated argument regarding aliens to really enjoy the website. In fact, you don't even need to understand the who or the what.

Just entertain yourself with the how.

"Modern science now shows that these geometric rhythms lie at the centre of atomic structures. When Andrew Gladzewski carried out research into atomic patterns, plants, crystals and harmonics in music he concluded that atoms are harmonic resonators, proving that physical reality is actually governed by geometric arrays based on sound frequencies. Even that primeval Hindu sound, the OM, from which is derived our modern term 'hum', when sung into a tonoscope produces the very geometric shapes attributed with 'sacredness'. Perhaps the most important of these shapes is the hexagon, upon which the Egyptian matrix named the Flower of Life is based. This series of outwardly-rotating divisions of the circle accommodate the branches of the building blocks of life, the amino acids. This Flower of Life has subsequently manifested as a crop circle."

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0402.gif


http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0405.gif

"Since a sudden and abnormal burst of growth is also known to occur in crop circle plants it was postulated that microwave was the culprit behind the creation of crop circles. However, microwave has the ability to render biological systems sterile, and a certain dose will even kill organisms. Yet the crop circles plants are alive and well. After four years of experiments on regular wheat at the University of Ottawa, Mary Measures and Pearl Weinberger found accelerated growth in laboratory samples, and postulated that the sound frequency they applied had produced a resonant effect in the plants' cells, thereby affecting their metabolism."


"Several years ago, astronomer Gerald S. Hawkins, former Chairman of the astronomy department at Boston University, noticed that some of the most visually striking of the crop-circle patterns embodied geometric theorems that express specific numerical relationships among the areas of various circles, triangles, and other shapes making up the patterns (Science News: 2/1/92, p. 76)"

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_7017.gif

"These designs demonstrate the remarkable mathematical ability of their creators," Hawkins comments.

What is most surprising is that all geometries give diatonic (musical) ratios. Never before have geometric theorems been linked with music.Curiously, Hawkins could find no reference to such a theorem in the works of Euclid or in any other book that he consulted. When he challenged readers of Science News and The Mathematics Teacher to come up with his unpublished theorem, given only the four variations, no one reported success.In July 1995, however, "the crop-circle makers . . . showed knowledge of this fifth theorem," Hawkins reports. Among the dozens of circles surreptitiously laid down in the wheat fields of England, one pattern fit Hawkins' theorem based on the stringent definitions, on the rules established by the circles over the period 1980 to the present.The Circlemakers responsible for this old-fashioned type of mathematical ingenuity remain at large and unknown."



http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...les_110001.jpg


the website doesn't just offer scientific research. but also the other side of the spectrum, spirituality, simultaneously. The traditional ideas were either aliens or humans did it. But his own spirituality colors a new and refreshing idea *any third option is refreshing in my opinion*. That maybe its the earth herself.

either way, the relationships become endless. from light, vibrations, music, geometry, to dna and information

"Eyewitness accounts by farmers, police and locals often describe a tube of light penetrating through the clouds to create a crop formation............

the energy did not create the crop circle at the time: the flattening of plants took place some hours later, suggesting that the light (EM) contained information that imprinted into the Earth, and later, the Earth responded with a geometric pattern. Such an event suggests that the crop circles are not just inputs of energy but also triggers that awaken a response within the living Earth.

The presence of light in the creation of crop circles raises serious implications, because the light spectrum carries signals that organisms require for receiving information, particularly human DNA. Such bioelectromagnetic signals operate at the extreme ends of the EM spectrum – the type of frequencies recorded in crop circles. Any excitation of this bioelectromagnetic field is transmitted to the DNA, and in laboratory experiments in China genetic information has already been successfully transmitted from one organism to another.

Furthermore, this frequency range detected in crop circles appears to ally with a part of the human body that is dormant. Mapped by Valerie Hunt in the 1970s, the frequency range of the human body covers a wide span, yet there is a range– 250-320 MHz- where nothing seems to happen, the human temple is utterly silent. By comparison, the predominant range of frequencies detected inside the crop circles seems to cover a range of 260-320 MHz. And the sharp rise in these occurs at the perimeter of the flattened crop, suggesting that people are entering a kind of shielded area that differs substantially from the rest of the field. People are essentially entering a temple."
http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...les_110003.jpg


"Creation is based on the concept that all atoms and molecules are in a state of vibration. This led all religions and faiths around the world to adopt the notion that “in the beginning was the Word, and the word was God”. Sound has been revered for millennia as the method by which all life is formed, and after a decade of research I, too, reached the conclusion that sound is a fundamental force behind the manifestation of crop circles.

Which brings us back to that incredible event in 1998, at Tawsmead Copse, when an eyewitness and this photographer caught a crop circle in the making, a seven-pointed geometric shape. That glyph was itself a metaphor for sound, since the heptagon is synonymous with the seven pure notes of the music scale, the de-re-mi, and so on. As my colleagues and I stood in appreciation of the intricacies inside that crop circle, we heard a series of musical notes around us, and recorded them. Little did I realize at the time that this was yet another moment when Mother was summoning her children, and spellbound, we wandered towards one of her creations, ever closer to her bosom. And here lies the final connection to the pentagram-hexagram.

As it turns out, the geometric/numeric ratio 6:5 is not just the ratio of the Earth and the geometry of DNA, it also happens to be a musical interval called the Minor Third. It is the frequency interval between the notes E-flat and C. And when played, they sound exactly like a call many of us have heard at least once in our lives, regardless of cultural background. For these are the two tones that a mother utters when she beckons her children. They are the notes most often used in lullabies. They are the first summoning tones in native American flute music. And this ratio is expressed in the forms of the pentagram and hexagram, the same forms that are inherent in the geometry of sacred sites, cathedrals and crop circles, not to mention their pulsating, living energy fields."


and this is an example of how the research begins with Sacred Geometry. If the pattern isn't first mathematically precise, they know sound was not involved

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...cles_4004.jpeg







And before I forget! You know all those wonderful images of cymatics on youtube? Well why not the other way around? Can't we produce sound from geometry?

Here is some music inspired by crop circles.
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/ar...harmonics.html

...you realise that crop circles are made by bored people with ropes and planks of wood, for the sole purpose of the lols they get from hearing people like you spending hours writing theories like those?

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Originally Posted by Xei

...you realise that crop circles are made by bored people with ropes and planks of wood, for the sole purpose of the lols they get from hearing people like you spending hours writing theories like those?

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if you had bothered to read my post

you would realize there is scientific evidence, actual scientific evidence, not just a theory, of weird crap happening to the crops that can not be explained with wooden planks

the best explanation to what happened to the plants, considering the structure of the soil also changed, considering the geometric forms, is sound. sound was the most logical explanation, not wooden planks

but the website talked about folk like you. who continue to say all crop circles are made by wooden planks and ropes, despite scientific evidence to the contrary. why?

will a bubble burst?

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Originally Posted by juroara

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...les_110001.jpg

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That doesn't look like an ellips to me.

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Originally Posted by juroara

Eyewitness accounts by farmers, police and locals often describe a tube of light penetrating through the clouds to create a crop formation............

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Ehh, yeah. You should now that eyewitnesses are worthless in these cases. Does 'need for fame' ring any bells?

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Originally Posted by juroara

The presence of light in the creation of crop circles raises serious implications, because the light spectrum carries signals that organisms require for receiving information, particularly human DNA. Such bioelectromagnetic signals operate at the extreme ends of the EM spectrum – the type of frequencies recorded in crop circles. Any excitation of this bioelectromagnetic field is transmitted to the DNA, and in laboratory experiments in China genetic information has already been successfully transmitted from one organism to another.

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A few lines ago, it was sound that made the crop circles :roll: Oh, and does a word like bioelectromagnetic even exist? It makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by juroara

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...les_110003.jpg

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Ehh, I can't remember DNA being cristalline, not at any level.

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Originally Posted by juroara

Creation is based on the concept that all atoms and molecules are in a state of vibration. This led all religions and faiths around the world to adopt the notion that “in the beginning was the Word, and the word was God”. Sound has been revered for millennia as the method by which all life is formed, and after a decade of research I, too, reached the conclusion that sound is a fundamental force behind the manifestation of crop circles.

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Have these guys even done research? There are religions which have I-don't-know-what-kind-of theories other that this.

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Originally Posted by juroara

Which brings us back to that incredible event in 1998, at Tawsmead Copse, when an eyewitness and this photographer caught a crop circle in the making, a seven-pointed geometric shape. That glyph was itself a metaphor for sound, since the heptagon is synonymous with the seven pure notes of the music scale, the de-re-mi, and so on. As my colleagues and I stood in appreciation of the intricacies inside that crop circle, we heard a series of musical notes around us, and recorded them. Little did I realize at the time that this was yet another moment when Mother was summoning her children, and spellbound, we wandered towards one of her creations, ever closer to her bosom. And here lies the final connection to the pentagram-hexagram.

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DO-re-mi, for god's sake.
Photo's can be hoaxed, and that's what's most likely.

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As it turns out, the geometric/numeric ratio 6:5 is not just the ratio of the Earth and the geometry of DNA, it also happens to be a musical interval called the Minor Third. It is the frequency interval between the notes E-flat and C. And when played, they sound exactly like a call many of us have heard at least once in our lives, regardless of cultural background. For these are the two tones that a mother utters when she beckons her children. They are the notes most often used in lullabies. They are the first summoning tones in native American flute music. And this ratio is expressed in the forms of the pentagram and hexagram, the same forms that are inherent in the geometry of sacred sites, cathedrals and crop circles, not to mention their pulsating, living energy fields.

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As far as I know, most lullabies use major thirds as opposed to minors. :roll:
Wait, what energy fields?

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And before I forget! You know all those wonderful images of cymatics on youtube? Well why not the other way around? Can't we produce sound from geometry?

Here is some music inspired by crop circles.
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/ar...harmonics.html

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Mandelbrot is a fractal algorithm, not a form of crop circle. ;)

Sorry if I bursted your bubble here, but I find crop circles and the theories around it rather dumb.

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you would realize there is scientific evidence, actual scientific evidence, not just a theory, of weird crap happening to the crops that can not be explained with wooden planks

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Where?

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Mandelbrot is a fractal algorithm, not a form of crop circle. ;)

Sorry if I bursted your bubble here, but I find crop circles and the theories around it rather dumb.

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the website with the music uses a program to produce the music. the program uses pictures. there are two mandelbrots that inspired two different songs. one is a computer image of the fractal

the other is an image of a crop circle in the form of mandelbrot

http://fusionanomaly.net/cropcirclem...rotset1991.jpg


thats why the webpage has two different songs. no one said anything about mandelbrot being a form of crop circle.

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Where?

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the information xei is only a click away. just visit the website I posted.

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Ehh, I can't remember DNA being cristalline, not at any level.

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And apparently you can't remember how to use a search engine either.:?

http://www.microscopy.fsu.edu/micro/...y/dna/dna1.jpg
http://www.microscopy.fsu.edu/micro/...y/dna/dna5.jpg
http://www.microscopy.fsu.edu/micro/...y/dna/dna2.jpg

Geometry has always been present in art. Using examples in art is just not gonna get you anywhere.

And I will explain the concept of the golden number. What is the number that, minus one, equals its inverse?

At a quick glance, you can see it's a number between 1 and 2. You can put that concept in an equation, and you get:

x - 1 = 1/x
solving the equation:
x² - x - 1 =0

x = 1 + sqrt(5) / 2 = 1,618

The importance of this number is that it's present in many instances where ratio and geometric mean are involved. Just that.


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Finally - you made a mistake in your OP. The point does not define the first dimension. The point defines dimension zero. You need two points to form the first dimension (a line); three points to form the second dimension (a plane); four points to form the third dimension (space); and so on.

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Chemistry also follows geometry, but on a non-rigid basis. It relates to quantum mechanics, position of electron pairs, and a lot of hardcore stuff I won't mind expanding.

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Finally, I like your sig.

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Geometry has always been present in art. Using examples in art is just not gonna get you anywhere.

And I will explain the concept of the golden number. What is the number that, minus one, equals its inverse?

At a quick glance, you can see it's a number between 1 and 2. You can put that concept in an equation, and you get:

x - 1 = 1/x
solving the equation:
x² - x - 1 =0

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That seems a rather bizarre way to think about it. Which first principles would lead you to derive that form of the equation?

As far as my knowledge goes the golden ratio is defined so that the ratio of a section of a line to the longer section of the line equals the ratio of the longer section to the total length of the line, which leads directly to

x = (1 + x)/x => x2 - x - 1 = 0

Why would you start from "the number that, minus one, equals its inverse"?

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the information xei is only a click away. just visit the website I posted.

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The site was full of anecdotes, not evidence, and contained information which I personally know to be completely wrong.

For example: "many crop circles include ellipses instead of circles, which are impossible to construct adequately with ropes". This is complete and utter rubbish, it's a very well known mathematical result that you can construct an ellipse extremely easily using a loop of rope and two fixed points.

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the other is an image of a crop circle in the form of mandelbrot

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Okay. What is the Mandelbrot set?

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Okay. What is the Mandelbrot set?

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Why are you asking when you already know?

A man decided he would like to see if he can create music based on crop circles. He found a program that can create music based on an image. So he grabs a few crop circle images of interest, and uses that to base his music of.

I posted about it because the creation of music based on geometry relates to Sacred Geometry. As many people are well aware of the videos on youtube showing how sound creates geometry. Why not the other way around? So I searched online to try to find if anyone has tried to 'listen' to geometry. That was the best I could find.

What exactly is there to argue about?

Or is it, if I don't answer your question you're going to make another post about how ignorant I am because I didn't answer your question? I feel like I'm in a school playground being triple dared by a 12 year old boy.


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ps. anyone can wiki it





ANYWAYS



More fun pictures
http://www.invisibletemple.com/image...sites12000.jpg



Sacred Geometry can more or less be summed up with one word, harmonics

The sounds of Jupiter! Why?
Why not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fqE01YYWs