Marijuana Decriminilization Passed(MA)

I must idsagree ninja. People should be responsible for themselves. Coercing people out of fear of what they 'might' do is socialism. Now if a person using is caught operating a vehicle or preforming actions that could endanger other people than rehab, confinement, and drug education are necessary. However, moving into the realm of Thought Crimes and Pre-Crime are very dangerous political machina of slavery.

Nicotine is physically dpendant but it doesn't mimic dopamine. Nicotines mimics acetyl-choline.

Crystal meth, cocaine, marijuana, LSD, DXM and MOST others are for the most part psychologically addictive. Psychological and physical addiction are pole. in that they are fairly much the same thing but they are opposite ends of the same thing, The mind-body.

Lysergic Acid Diethylamide is not addictive at all.

Just putting that out there.

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How about if you disagree with ALL forms of prohibition you support house thefts, teen suicide, the running over of pedestrians with the right away, the murder of one's mtoehr, etc. The logic implied is the same as the logic you implies. Highly delusional drugs can make one kill people or cause car accidents. Extreme hallucinagens should be illegal for that reason. Meth causes people to become thieves and in many cases to be violent. Alchohal restrictions exists so violent drunks and drunk drivers have no excuse.

For the sake of the majority and neccestial utilitarianism, I don't give a crap if it's someone's personal right to do moonflower if they end up killing someone because of it.

I say give the states the power to decide drug laws. Hopefully, most states will make pot legal and a few will keep the ban so the concerned mothers organization can got here and not complain.

But the dangerous drugs, ones that make people delusional and violent, those need to stay illegal. And don't say that that fuels drug dealers. It does only to a degree. Meth dealers, for example, are caught very frequently. This is a large deterant. Pot dealers on the other hand, can get away with it better.

The market for violent drugs is significantly smaller than the others anyway.

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If one is in control of their mental state taking some acid or mushrooms or some other halllucinogenic drug will not adversly affect someone. I've certaintly never been violent nor met anyone violent when under the influence of any such drugs. On the other hand I have seen countless angry drunks.

If you're not using it, growing it, building your house with it. Then you get a penalty.

Remember everything is backwards in society. Do the opposite of everything society does, and you become godlike. The opposite of society equals enlightenment.

to me the bottom line is that pot is a lot less harmful than alcohol. in every way possible. alcohol is legal therefore it isn't logical for pot to be illegal.

it's unconstitutional on a very basic level for the government to tell me what i can and cannot put in my body. imho

DeathCell, I assume that most of the drugs you have done generally make people more docile if anything. But drugs like meth lead directly to crime. And extreme hallucinogens like moonflower or acid often lead to violence or unintentional suicide.

Some people can hold thier LSD, agreed. Enough people can't that it puts the majority at risk.

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Originally Posted by spockman

DeathCell, I assume that most of the drugs you have done generally make people more docile if anything. But drugs like meth lead directly to crime. And extreme hallucinogens like moonflower or acid often lead to violence or unintentional suicide.

Some people can hold thier LSD, agreed. Enough people can't that it puts the majority at risk.

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Interestingly enough the propaganda used to prohibit LSD was its potential as a weapon. Nobody remembers D.A.R.E. explaining that 1 oz of LSD in the school's water supply could make everyone trip? HOLY SHIT...one person could trip off an OZ for almost a year nonstop!

Aside from LSD & PCP, every major drug in the late history of prohibition has used racism as their propaganda. We've forgotten because of our PC culture that Methampetamines made MEXICANS violent. That Cocaine made BLACK people violent. That Marjiauna brought LAZY MEXICANS to your neighborhood!!! That Opium brought insane CHINESE kung fu killers to your city.

Furthermore, Elis D, Psychological addiction can occur regardless of substance. Psychological addiction doesn't even need a drug. It can occur with video games, sex, theft, and so much more.

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Originally Posted by spockman

DeathCell, I assume that most of the drugs you have done generally make people more docile if anything. But drugs like meth lead directly to crime. And extreme hallucinogens like moonflower or acid often lead to violence or unintentional suicide.

Some people can hold thier LSD, agreed. Enough people can't that it puts the majority at risk.

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I've done a lot of drugs. I won't even begin to name them.

Meth does not lead directly to crime.
Cocaine/Crack does not lead directly to crime.

On the other hand excessive use of meth/coke/crack will pay a hell of a toll on your Mind, Body and probably leave you broke. Which would lead to stealing and violence.

People weak of mind shouldn't be taking hallucinogens. Doesn't mean making it illegal is going to solve any problems, only make the want for it that much greater. People should have the choice to do what they want unless it directly causes harm to another.

Fair enough. Replace the words directly to inderectly. The utilitarian concept still stands, however.

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

I've done a lot of drugs. I won't even begin to name them.

Meth does not lead directly to crime.
Cocaine/Crack does not lead directly to crime.

On the other hand excessive use of meth/coke/crack will pay a hell of a toll on your Mind, Body and probably leave you broke. Which would lead to stealing and violence.

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While this is what happens in OUR society...it only happens BECAUSE drugs are illegal. Dope is so easy to grow and make it's fucking ridiculous. I'd say that if it weren't illegal dope would cost the person who consumes $500/day about $5/day but the problem with that is that our entire economic status is dependent upon the prohibition of drugs and exportation of arms on the black market.
Drugs don't cause crime. Prohibition CAUSES crime DIRECTLY.

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People weak of mind shouldn't be taking hallucinogens. Doesn't mean making it illegal is going to solve any problems, only make the want for it that much greater. People should have the choice to do what they want unless it directly causes harm to another.

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Very true, prohibition draws attention to that exact thing you are prohibiting. Furthermore propaganda sensationalized something a person in depressed culture may eventually stop caring about the horrific results of. It's a shadow complex of a highly repressed culture.

@spockman - That is complete bullshit. LSD does not lead anyone to violence or suicide. Reminds me of the media sensation the parents of a suicide made. They pressured a doctor to say it was becuase of Salvia so they didnt have to take responsibility themselves. It wouldn't have anything to do with their fighting, alcoholism, religion, probable abuse none of that shit....no it was salvia. Come the fuck on. If anything, Salvia shows one the truth. It may be sad, but the truth of his situation may have been a desperate one with irrational parents like that.

Hallucinogens are Critics; they show you the problem when you uncover the truth but don't provide a solution. That you must create yourself. Unless you're hippie flippin' anyway...

Heck I think Obama will decrim pot nationwide if he isn't trampled by the crazy onslaught of economic problems, he could make it work by saying:

We spend X amount of money arresting pot users...we can save X money by letting them get high and not arresting them.

I bet if we legalize it, the economy will be mucho happy-o

Yeah well he could solve those economic problems by decriminalizing Marjiuana and allowing the production of industrial hemp by nerfing the DEA. Good luck getting that to happen. They or the CIA would probably assasinate him at any whiff of trying to nerf them.

Nah, because Obama's opinion wouldn't get marijauna decriminalized or keep it criminalized.

Plus I'm skeptical on the internal government assassinations.

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Originally Posted by spockman

Nah, because Obama's opinion wouldn't get marijauna decriminalized or keep it criminalized.

Plus I'm skeptical on the internal government assassinations.

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If Obama gets assasinated, they'll say it's because he was the first black president regardless of the real motive.

But are you really that skepitcal? Have you looked into Kennedy much? I wouldn't put it past the CIA to assasinate the pres. They've fucked up enough other things and admitted to it.

It's just as likley that it was the mafia. With some of it's practices, I wouldn't put it past the government morally, but that doesn't meant that they did it.

There's two extremes. Refusing to admit that the government has the ideal, perfection requiring blind patriotism. Then there's the idea that the government is entirely run by underground, jew-filled puppetmaster organizations that few people know about but still happen to design all the happenings in the country.

I'd say that I'm somewhere in the middle, as most probably are.

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Originally Posted by spockman

It's just as likley that it was the mafia. With some of it's practices, I wouldn't put it past the government morally, but that doesn't meant that they did it.

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The difference between the Mafia and the CIA is very gray area.

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There's two extremes. Refusing to admit that the government has the ideal, perfection requiring blind patriotism. Then there's the idea that the government is entirely run by underground, jew-filled puppetmaster organizations that few people know about but still happen to design all the happenings in the country.

I'd say that I'm somewhere in the middle, as most probably are.

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What the hell is the middle? Truth be told....both are completely wrong. When you really look into it you find that Jews aren't Jews. Bush is a direct descendant of Jesus Christ. Evil becomes Good and Good becomes Evil. The paradox flips judgement so many times it's hard to figure out what's going on right now. When you really wrap your head around it all you find that in the end nothing matters and thus the only thing that matters is what you do right now. Perspective is everything. Legality is meaningless. THE ALL is MIND.

'Middle'...no offense...is just another way of saying you have no interest in participating in 'the game'. Which is a fine ideal and actually is the solution to the problem but the problem with being in the 'middle' is that you end up supporting both ends instead of directly refusing to support either. When the bar is oppressive regardless of which end you support the only winning move is not to support either end. Like trolls, they play on your emotions and suck you into a game of good vs. evil when nothing can be accomplished from joining either side. Judgement is a tool for determining ACTUALITY and not MORALITY. When you apply judgement to morality you can manipulate people by designing to sway them either way because you are indifferent to the morality of any situation. The fact that people are FIGHTING over morality is the key to your domination. Divide and conquer. Distract and Dominate.

By refusing to play in the game you gain the ability to force other people to question the game itself and evoke a holistic perspective in other people.

Legality of Marijuana has nothing to do with it being a drug and has everything to do with Racism and the Petrol Industry.

What people don't realize is that the current state of Marijuana's legality has everything to do with ALCOHOL. Because Ethanol (vs. Methanol which is a petrol product) can be used to produce Biodiesel. It's Agriculture vs. Petrol. Petrol is winning but it will overstep it's boundries soon when it get's rediculous. Codex Alimentarius is an example of how rediculous Petrol extremity is becoming.

Just today I saw the new Dayquil + vitamin C with was advertized as pandering to a woman who was pictured as being an idiot for believing Vitamin C was a good thing. Then after another commercial went by the news headline brief came up with a story "Are vitamins really all that good for you?"

Basically a bunch of strawman arguments set up to subliminally discredit vitamins so that when Codex-A shows up and calls them toxins they'll actually get people to believe the rediculous strawman arguments they make because they'll already be subliminally programmed to accept them from that TV Pogrom.

They WILL use food as a weapon to commit mass murder. Or at least they'll try. The question is will you be prepared? The War on Drugs is a perfect example of how despite blatantly obvious truths to the contrary of the current state of society...people will continue to believe disinforming propaganda because of Group Think abusive coaching by the powers that be.

Will you wake the fuck up already? Ask original Questions to arrive at Genuine Answers becuase waking up is never about the answers because answers always invoke more and better questions. The problem is really are you afraid of questions? Answers are intuitive there is no shortage of them if you learn to ask the right questions. The truth is hidden in plain sight. Will you wake up and remove your blindfold?

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of Death...

By my post all I meant was that you can choose to believe that the government is this great organization and shouldn't be questioned, you can believe that it is this totalitarian evil monster, or you can put it somewhere in the middle.

The reason I brought Jews into it was because I was drawing the Turner Diaries analogy where apparently our government is this looming, 1984 thing controlled by Jews. I was drawing that comparison, and meant no more by it than that.

I would say that people should be somewhere in the middle, even if they are more skewed to one side, otherwise they are probably close-minded extremists.

And Euthanatos wasn't REALLY saying anything about Jews either. If you read it properly he has a very good point.

How old are you euthanatos?
You're VERY intelligent.

Ok there is way too many people to bother with quotes but....

To all the people saying meth/coke/crack/heroin should be illegal....

Why?
This is something I don't understand. The reason for legalisation is because the prohibition directly creates crime,
causes deaths and ultimately leaves us with nothing but lack of knowledge and loss of freedom.

Think about this....
In the 70's it was a 'war on crack' now it is a 'war on meth'. Look up articles on both and you will see the STRIKING similarities.
They haven't changed their argument in 40 years.
Meth is NOT all that dangerous. Use it occasionally if you can handle the rush and you'll be perfectly fine. Nobody will flip out and kill someone
In fact, that won't happen on any drug unless you do it too much. For instance PCP, Cocaine or Meth will eventually make you paranoid.
What WILL happen if you can't handle it is you will get a major panic attack.
This leaves you unable to do anything but get in the foetal position and cower in fear.
Not spaz out and kill a bunch of people or drive your car onto the wrong side of the freeway.

Now that may seem counter-productive to my argument but that is one thing which needs to be accounted for
because it is a SMALL SMALL amount of crimes that happen in correlation with drugs.
The media hypes these things up but they barely ever happen.
Now when someone seems to have a chance of being violent from overuse, they should get help.
Not forced to, but recommended, if they commit a crime they need rehabilitation, not prison, but counseling and detox and whatever other therapy.

Why? Because what happens if say, a Meth head gets violent and ends up getting sent to prison? (BTW this all excludes killing someone)
They eventually get out and then what? Would you hire an ex-con, ex-meth addict? Fuck no. They're gonna go back to using Meth. Same cycle all over again.

Yes, we should ban using drugs in public areas. But banning them altogether makes no sense.
If people are going to do drugs they will do it. If they have an option to do it in a safe place without intervention from others they will do it there.

People who take Heroin DO commit crimes. Why?
Think about it. They need more, they have no money because it costs way too much to keep up that kind of lifestyle. What can they do? Steal.
Now what if it were legal?
They would have CHEAP access to either that or morphine/opium. They could grow their own poppies and therefore use much less.
They wouldn't get Hepatitis/AIDS and spread it to others.
All this means LESS CRIME!
They can get a job to support their habit and LIVE because in time they wouldn't be looked down upon.
Yes you can have a job and an opiate addiction at the same time.

Also whoever brought up the smokers being allowed to have their addiction and others not, that is a great point and argument for legalisation of all drugs.
We don't make drugs legal because they are safe, we make them legal specifically because they aren't safe.
It minimises risk because it is out in the open.

What would happen if cigarettes were made illegal?
The smokers would go insane! Just like the Heroin addicts. Just like the Meth addicts and just like the Crack addicts.

Oh, sorry, dirty smokers....

Alcohol too?

and what about porn!???

Well, if you're addicted to that, yes what if they took that away.
Outrage.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Well, if you're addicted to that, yes what if they took that away.
Outrage.

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hahahaha, right on, bruddah!!

If you haven't seen it yet. Everyone should check this out.
The Union: The Business Behind Getting High is on youtube now!
BUT, I encourage you to buy the DVD eventually to support them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4Ko...eature=related
The rest of it is in the side on the right. 01/11, 02/11 etc. If you're not used to youtube.

^ Great doco.
It's re-sparked my interest in growing pot. I can't wait!!!

Yeh, man I wish I could. Need some area of my own or where no one goes. That or my own house of course lol.