Does anybody believe they exsists. Also what is their purpose?
P.S. I dont actually think they exsist.
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Does anybody believe they exsists. Also what is their purpose?
P.S. I dont actually think they exsist.
Nice signature. :roll:
Off topic: Bloody hell mate change your signature.
I have mixed feelings about the Illuminati, but I definitely know for sure you should remove that huge image. :/
It's people like you who drove me to disable viewing signatures long ago.
Perhaps that could be a good donation point, the more you donate, the more characters you can have in your signature!
i love your sig
no. they don't exist....
Re-enable it for a seocnd and check out my Signature it Rocks! :goodjob2:Quote:
Originally Posted by MSG
To the topic: They do not exist under that name anymore. The name has changed to the J.A.S.O.N. Society.
I don't know whether they exist or not, but it does seem likely that unbelievably rich and powerful people would seek each other out in order to further their own interests in some sort of capacity. Not tooo far fetched if you ask me.
Something like it might exist. Skull and bones anyone?
The only evidence i can see is the dollar bill. The eye on it is the sign of the old illuminati also on the bill it says new world order.
http://www.theinsider.org/reports/do...great_seal.jpg
I think i have found my new sig.
:shakehead2: No Novus Ordo Seclorum doesn't mean New World Order in Latin. That means "New Order of the Ages"Quote:
Originally Posted by becomingagodo
Novus Ordo Mundi means "New World Order"
This make everything more confusing. New order of the ages to me doesnt make any sense. I can understand New world order as it about world domination i think. Thanks ne-yo, however you made everything more confusing. Can you explain what New order of the ages means as you seem to know alot, well you know they changed their name.Quote:
No Novus Ordo Seclorum doesn't mean New World Order in Latin. That means "New Order of the Ages"
Novus Ordo Mundi means "New World Order"[/b]
Have any of you ever read Robert Anton Wilson's book Cosmic Trigger Vol. 1: Final Secret of the Illuminati? It is the coolest book I have ever read. It doesn't try to push any beliefs except that everything must be questioned. It is passed off as nonfiction, but I look at it as the greatest science fiction novel of all time. It is so unbelievably trippy.
http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Trigger-Final...TF8&s=books
It gets into stuff about how, possibly, the Illuminati is in connection with our alien creators from the Sirius star system and how the fabric of reality is a network of coincidences that involves the JFK assassination and how common psychedelic hallucinations in all cultures are real aliens who have presented themselves in this world as cartoons and T.V. characters and are connected to the Illuminati. I love it!
The Illuminati (Or Illuminatus) definitely DID exist - they were involved in a number of revolutionary movements throughout europe in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. If memory serves though, they were never as well organised a movement as the Freemasons, and it is uncertain whether or not they still exist.
I believe they do, in the same way that the Masons still exist, and other semi-secret societies do. What influence, role, or geographic location they have, I am not sure. I personally believe the illuminati were always, and still are, too fragmented and disorganised a group to have any significant influence as a cohesive organisation - of course, that does not mean that illuminati chapters or sects or whatever, CONTAIN individually powerful or influential figures.
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Originally Posted by becomingagodo
Sure. :goodjob2: This phrase suggests that our new formed government was seen as only the beginning of a new period of enlightenment. The eye itself is enveloped in radiating light, breaking up the dark clouds of the "old order." See Masonic Symbolism is the building blocks of our U.S. currency. The obscure ancient symbolism it contains has been misunderstood for decades with it’s Masonic flavor. The fact of the matter is, is that Masonry and its ideals played a part in the founding of this country. The enlightenment philosophy embraced by Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, and other engineers of American Democracy evolved from the same Rosicrucian roots that Freemasonry did.
I heard that the only president in our history that wasn't a freemason was JFK. Interesting, if true.
Then again, I guess all presidents in our history have been white males.
They existed.. or exit.. :o
But I think Dan Brown is really exaggerating their reputation.. you just read "Angels and Demons" didn't you..?
As an Illumnati fan - the book kind of pissed me off... but I'll hold on the long, long rant.. lol.
Anyone else..?
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On the topic of Dan Brown I strongly advice anyone against believing anything he writes
I also strong advice you not to be expecting a good read, lol, the characters are soo poorly developed
and yes the illuminati did exist, athough it seems just lyk there predecessors, the Kinghts Templar, they have become shroudd in conspitacy and its ahrd to sift the truth from the bull, but they defintely existed, as far as all he conspiracies and the NWO go, well thats a different matter.
Some of it, you ahve to take with a pinch of salt
Imran
Yeah. I believe they existed and, possibly, still do.
I'm not sold on all of the theories surrounding them but I enjoy reading about them and the freemasons. There is a lot of (alleged) information on them at www.freepressinternational.com
The Illumnati and the Freemasons are pretty much fraternal twins. Not too mention their interdependance through their flourishment was tremendous.
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Wilson suggests that the Illuminati might be a secret organization within the Free Masons. I read either from him or somebody else that U.S. presidents have not only been Free Masons, but but high ranking Free Masons. Supposedly Neil Armstrong and other important figures have been high ranking Masons too. Something that spooks me out a little bit is that just the other day, I was looking up names from my past to see who from way back might have gotten some level of fame or other recognition, and I looked up the name of the guy who ran my kindergarten. He was this militaristic acting ex-Navy guy, and all of the kids were very afraid of pissing him off. I found a web site a few days ago with an article he had written about the Free Masons. At the bottom of the page, there was a picture of him in a Free Mason hat, and it said that he is a 32nd degree Mason. That sounds way up there. Does anybody know what it means?
The Masons and the Illuminati being "twins" or directly related to one another - I'm not sure. The Masons are much more deist in bent than the Illuminati, are much more fraternal, and act sort of as a semi-secret roatry club, whereas the Illuminati are much more elitist. I believe, anyway.
I don't like that eye!
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The illumined-ones I believe still exist they use a much higher technology than we do.
This is just off the top of my head, so I might be wrong, but I've researched the freemasons a lot before, so I know a bit about them, but 32nd degree is the absolute highest you can go. Like, top dawg, nothing is higher. Weird as shit man, if your kindergarten teacher was one. And yes, as I said before, I think JFK was the only non-freemason president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Word. Same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
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The organization of the "Order" is a pyramidal structure of "Degrees". On the bottom are the so-called "Blue" lodges full of ignorant, materialistic, and opportunistic fools. Promising candidates are chosen to be guided up the ladder of initiation with the help of those who have gone before. The initiate is presented with the objects of study, books, symbols, ritual, and camaraderie... but Illumination must come from within. Each Degree of initiation provides a new key to ultimate enlightenment, but only for those who can truly understand the ritual and symbols of the Degree. Where understanding or the ability to keep the secrets stops... the progress of the candidate stops. Only those above the 29th Degree have the ability to understand the ultimate secrets and goals of the "Order".
The ultimate "secret" is the method of controlling large numbers of fools with the promise of a "secret" which they are led to believe will make them one of the "elect". The goal is the elimination of all religion save theirs, the elimination of all nation states, and complete control and ownership of everything, and everyone, everywhere, every moment of every day, forever.
A select few are hand picked for progress beyond the 13th Degree (York Rite) or 32nd Degree (Scottish Rite). Those chosen disappear behind the veil and become one of the "Thousand Points of Light," but they are more properly known as the "Magi". There are vertical and horizontal paths of initiation and many interconnecting degrees at the higher levels between the different orders and secret societies. A 32 Degree Freemason could, for example, actually possess over 100 different degrees.
The process of initiation and blood oaths have always been the protection of the Illuminati in a Christian world that has had a tendency to "burn at the stake" those who differed in belief or philosophy. The "burning alive" of Jacques DeMolay, the persecution of men like Gallileo and Giordano Bruno by the Catholic Church, and the persecution of their Orders has resulted in the "Brotherhoods" hatred of Christianity and the goal of the extermination of all religions save theirs.[/b]
:happy: Source?
MajestyTwelve :goodjob2:
By: William Cooper
Copyright © 1997 William Cooper All Rights Reserved
Damn right they exist. I saw them open for Wolfmother at the Drake. Looked like they were right out of Wayne's World.
what are you implying?Quote:
Originally Posted by 3FLryan
Deus Ex is a great game.
MJ12 is in it too.
He said Word!. You know like..Quote:
Originally Posted by taltho
- Word is born
- That's my word
- Word Up!
In short he was in agreement with you. :goodjob2:
Somehow, I think he might even know that I talked about him in a post. :shock: Plus, he might still be pissed off about how I mouthed off to his wife when I was six. It was nice knowing you folks. Take care.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3FLryan
Hmm. So you really think nothing of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
EDIT: Hahah, nvm.
Check out this crazy shit about how Bush and Kerry might be Illuminati members. It's more compelling than just some random thoughts a fiction writer had fun with.
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:MzOmy...;cd=1&gl=us
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/...ain576332.shtml
Yo, I have to go to bed (can't think straight) but I know Bush and Kerry were both skull and bones at Yale...for whatever its worth...prob not much, common knowledge...Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
EDIT: and they are cousins...
Word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
The second article talks about Skull and Bones and its history at Yale. I posted that just to show a strong connection between Bush and Kerry. The first article talks about Skull and Bones and how it might relate to crazy Illuminati stuff. I think you know by now how much I actually don't buy into shit like this, but it's really interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3FLryan
Bush and Kerry are cousins? How close? I mean, technically, you and I are cousins.
Not that Wiki is a reliable source to ANY extent, but:
"John Kerry and George W. Bush are distant cousins, variously reported as 16th cousins three times removed, 11th cousins, and ninth cousins twice removed."
So... yeah. Sorry. Much as I like conspiracy theories, I'm sorry, but the "hey wow, they're family" thing just isn't sounding very convincing. :blue:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/...ain604163.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4286105/
Well, the question doesn't seem to be whether or not they're cousins. It's: Exactly how closely related were they?
Everyone seems to have a different opinion.
It's been also mentioned that the President and Rev. Al Sharpton may have distant family ties. :huh2: I guess if you go back far enough that could be true.. But So Funny.. :rolllaugh:
If you go back far enough, you can trace common relatives to yourself and grass. The blades of grass in your yard are your cousins. There is an obscure, out of print poetry book I like called The Unity of Nothing that discusses such family relations...
Humans and grass evolved
from the same original life forms.
They are relatives.
Blades of grass are our cousins.
The prophet goes to family reunions
in people's yards
and sees many of his cousins.
He introduces them to his relatives.
Well the grass probably doesn't like us too much as distant relative considering we are always walking on them when they are down. :chuckle: Get it? Walking on them when they are down. LOL :chuckle: Geesh I crack myself up.
Ne-yo/3FLryan thanks. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne
Looks to me as though someone came face to face with facts that seemed to make his belief's jump from where they were. Refusal to see that "New Order of the Ages" makes sense, tells me this, because it makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by becomingagodo