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Originally Posted by imran_p
well I dont know about that; in the right context, it is perhaps a practical solution, though still immoral. For example, if it were between execution and freeing Saddam, back to full power, or something
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Originally Posted by imran_p
well I dont know about that; in the right context, it is perhaps a practical solution, though still immoral. For example, if it were between execution and freeing Saddam, back to full power, or something
I didn't find out Saddam was dead until about 2-3 am on New Year's, at which point I was drunk and high. Someone pointed to the front page of the newspaper, and there it was. All I can say is, that shit rocked my world. I did an RC because I thought I was dreaming. Didn't know what to think.
Ok i rephrase it
every execution is abhorrent and disgusting
and in itslef a cirme agaisnt humanity
Imran
Just make sure you would still say no if you were in the position where your hole family had been killed, your wife and daughters raped executed and some of your family members tortured in an Iraq prison, then hung. Put yourself in that situation and with your family members, the ones that you love. Then see if you would give a flying f*** for human rights.
Flight here raises a good point. Personally, I can relate. I have a lot of reasons, but despite helping the debate I wont go into why. (Though I have a thread on it buried somewhere in the Help! Forum).
What if someone walked into your home and killed your entire family? Your mother, father, brother, sister, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, even your dog. Girlfriend or wife? friends? You watched as everyone you loved around you died and was murdered. Would you not want this person to feel the pain they felt? You may think about it and say no, but believe me, if it really happened you would want that person to die a painful death.
I agree. If they mess with my family, I'm tossing a grenade at the person's face, then set them on fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
Maybe that's why people like MLK Jr. and Ghandi are just a cut above the rest...they wouldn't wish it on anyone no matter what.
In an act of slf deefense or defense of your family eys devend
but revenge
revenge is differnt
Imran
I think Saddam being punished for his crimes against humanity was good. I think the timing of his execution was absolutely terrible. Apparantly, from what I know, he was executed on the same day as, something called, the feast of Eid al-Adha. It's supposed to be the holiest of Muslim days. I think it's the "Day of Forgiveness", but I'm not completely sure.
The execution itself for sure would have started things, but it being on that particular day may spark greater violence. More deaths because of fighting amongst the people. Saddam sure is/was a problem.
That's my opinion.
P.S. - and i seem to agree on a lot of things with imran_p.
Here is a very good article about why Saddam was executed so swiftly.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/123006.html
I think you have to be a little bit crazy to think that nothing strange has been going on with the whole Saddam/Iraq thing.
We were told that we were going to war with Iraq because of WMD's, not to overthrow and execute a war criminal for crimes against humanity. Somehow it changed to something different, now we are there to liberate the people.
Saddam was actually executed for murdering fewer than 200 people. He was not even alllowed to stand trial for the "genocide" that some people are claiming. I agree that murder is bad and that he was not a good human being. But look around, there are a lot worse people out there.
Out of curiousity, I wish someone had the hard numbers as to how many Iraqi's died under Saddam's rule. VS the number of Iraqi's that have died since they have been "liberated". I know that months ago there was a number floating around that over 500,000 Iraqi's have died since the start of the war.
Please read the article linked above. It has some interesting points.
I think that Saddam has done some evil things and I can't feel sympathy for someone who has committed such crimes. I also agree that Bush has done some pretty evil things as well and is directly responsible for a lot of death and suffering. It is frustrating that he gets a free pass to do what he wants with the world.
Saddam waived his right to appeal. There was nothing left to do but kill him.Quote:
Originally Posted by resonate
You are assuming that the war could only possibly be about just one thing. The war has been about many things, mainly overthrowing an enemy terrorist government that (on top of being that alone) was reported by six governments and the U.N. to have stockpiles of WMD's. That same government had used WMD's for purely terrorists purposes. We overthrew them for the obvious reasons there plus many others, such as the need to have a large democracy in the heart of the Middle East in a future where suicide bomber governments acquiring WMD's are becoming more and more of a threat to civilization. After the overthrow, the son of a bitch at the head of the terrorist government was removed from this world. That is a great thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by resonate
I think he was well hung. :lol:
So now it was a black George Bush who knocked down the towers? What KKK literature are you quoting?Quote:
Originally Posted by 888
:lol: That might be a basis for a good poll question.Quote:
Originally Posted by 888
He might not have been well hung, but he was definitely hung. I've seen videos.
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Excuse me? A genoice? Hudnreds and thousands of people?
and the US government have consisntely shown support for opressive dictators and aided them.
You dont pun the gun on trial, you trial the man who pulled the trigger.
Pol Pot's infamous Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
The countless innocents kileld in Iraq, the countless innocents killed in Afghanistan.
The countless innocents kileld in Lebanon due to Americas reluctance to order a sieze fire when the rest of the world was screaming for one. [/b]
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A minimum of 51,897 to 57,452 civilian deaths up to 27 December, 2006—as compiled from English-language media reports by the Iraq Body Count project (IBC). Reported civilian deaths due to insurgent/military action and increased criminal violence. [2]
btw thts civillian deaths in Iraq
Mr Bush is a western terrorist
Mr Hussien is an eastern one.
M Bush is a victorious one.
Mr Hussein is a defeated one.
Mr Bush is a living one.
Mr Hussein is a dead one.
He was a bastard. But he didnt deserve to die, in my eyes, taking a life solves nothing.
And if he did, there are others that should ahve ung with him
Imran[/b]
I myself believe in the death penalty. However, I concur with Imran on son many levels.Quote:
Im a pro-lifer
murder is muder, it can never be justified
and if Saddam deserves to be hung, he should not have been hung on his own
It would only be justice to hang him, if Mr Bush and Mr Blair were hanging to his left and right.
They have murdered just as many people, (I dont mean justn in Iraq)
If terrorism is commited by white western super-power leaders, it is justified as foregin policy
"Murder is only righteous when done to the sound of trumpets."
Lets fac eit, th eonly reason that Saddam is hanging and not Bush isn because, the USA is more powerful
Death is wrong, killing someone solves nothing. Bloodhsed is wrong.
Imran[/b]
Saddam should have been tried and sentenced by his peers in Iraq, not in the West. I too believe that he was murdered by the West. It was unfair and unjustly done. His death so publicly done was not well done either, it was a symbol of a martyr for those who believed and still believe in his cause. If his last words were to be true, he said, 'God is great. The nation will be victorious and Palestine is Arab."' as said to the public but then before he was hanged he was reported to have recited the "Shahada," a Muslim prayer that says there is no god but God and Muhammad is his messenger, (PBUH) and his last words were “Muhammad”. What is it do you think Saddam was trying to forecast to his nation, and to those whom are his followers. I believed that this should have been a private death. I was saddened when I saw the photos; again, I believe in the death penalty, I do not believe in public executions, regardless of the crime. And Bush, I won't even go there, lets just say Ditto for now, there are so many levels to this Weed that is strangling American and Iraq and.......